Supreme Court to hear case on opting out of lessons with LGBTQ+ books

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Oh come on. You sound as crazy as the person you are responding to. It is quite possible to have books that casually have gay people as characters, no sex involved. Have a book with two gay parents and a kid, done. 99% of parents would be fine with that. You can easily have healthy, positive representation of gay people without exposing young kids to sex.

The problem is, that’s not what MoCo did. They took it much further. They picked books that had kids find drag queens, for instance, even though that’s a form of grossly sexist minstrelry. They picked books that asked kids to look for leather at pride parade. They picked books that presented as fact that children have a gender identity apart from their sex (which is a metaphysical and quasi-religious belief system, not reality).

If MoCo had just had books with gay parents, for instance, this case would not exist. But they went radically further and now there is going to be a ruling that is probably harmful for education overall, but also probably necessary to reign in radicalism in schools.

+1. Heather has Two Mommies is a great example. It’s just a sweet story book about a kid starting preschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

Tf?!

What is “pride”? If not celebration of sexual proclivities then what are celebrants proud of?

is your mind always in the gutter?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.

I agree with you on much of this, but this case is here precisely because MoCo was unable to contain its own radicals. That overreach was always going to cause a reaction. And yes, the slippery slope is serious, but on the other hand, MoCo seriously overreached and other boards across the country have done the same. Not doing anything isn’t an option at this point.

The facts of this case are really bad for MoCo. They chose books that many people agree were inappropriate for young children (myself included). When those books started to be taught, parents pulled their kids. And it wasn’t just a few kids, it was “dozens” out of each class of around 120 kids, so a substantial percentage. This became hard to manage (they claimed) but rather than changing the curriculum they instead made attendance mandatory. And, they put these books throughout the curriculum, rather than in a specific health unit with opt-outs. Parents sued, and this ended up in the Supreme Court where MoCo’s attorney sounded arrogant and unprepared in oral argument.

Of course there is going to be a reaction, and yes it is probably going to cause a problematic slippery slope. But I don’t know what else could happen at this point. MoCo’s hubris caused this, and yes, a ruling that allows broad religious opt-out will cause more problems, but I also don’t see how MoCo can win under the facts here. Their position is simply unreasonable.

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They should just put the religious kids in a class together and the non-religious kids in another. I’m tired of religious people.

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Books do not make you gay. No gay person is gay because they read a book about gay characters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.

I agree with you on much of this, but this case is here precisely because MoCo was unable to contain its own radicals. That overreach was always going to cause a reaction. And yes, the slippery slope is serious, but on the other hand, MoCo seriously overreached and other boards across the country have done the same. Not doing anything isn’t an option at this point.

The facts of this case are really bad for MoCo. They chose books that many people agree were inappropriate for young children (myself included). When those books started to be taught, parents pulled their kids. And it wasn’t just a few kids, it was “dozens” out of each class of around 120 kids, so a substantial percentage. This became hard to manage (they claimed) but rather than changing the curriculum they instead made attendance mandatory. And, they put these books throughout the curriculum, rather than in a specific health unit with opt-outs. Parents sued, and this ended up in the Supreme Court where MoCo’s attorney sounded arrogant and unprepared in oral argument.

Of course there is going to be a reaction, and yes it is probably going to cause a problematic slippery slope. But I don’t know what else could happen at this point. MoCo’s hubris caused this, and yes, a ruling that allows broad religious opt-out will cause more problems, but I also don’t see how MoCo can win under the facts here. Their position is simply unreasonable.

PP here - I should have said the Pride movement and pride parades are about sexual proclivities. I do not think marriage is about sex - either same-sex or opposite-sex. And marriages and relationships are not only about sex. But these books are not about relationships, but Pride and the pride movement. Pride parades are sexual and sexualized and not appropriate for kindergartners.

The pride movement also co-opted the rainbow which is the symbol of God’s covenant of grace and mercy to men. These books teach that the rainbow is the symbol of the pride movement and not God’s covenant, and I find that objectionable.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.

I agree with you on much of this, but this case is here precisely because MoCo was unable to contain its own radicals. That overreach was always going to cause a reaction. And yes, the slippery slope is serious, but on the other hand, MoCo seriously overreached and other boards across the country have done the same. Not doing anything isn’t an option at this point.

The facts of this case are really bad for MoCo. They chose books that many people agree were inappropriate for young children (myself included). When those books started to be taught, parents pulled their kids. And it wasn’t just a few kids, it was “dozens” out of each class of around 120 kids, so a substantial percentage. This became hard to manage (they claimed) but rather than changing the curriculum they instead made attendance mandatory. And, they put these books throughout the curriculum, rather than in a specific health unit with opt-outs. Parents sued, and this ended up in the Supreme Court where MoCo’s attorney sounded arrogant and unprepared in oral argument.

Of course there is going to be a reaction, and yes it is probably going to cause a problematic slippery slope. But I don’t know what else could happen at this point. MoCo’s hubris caused this, and yes, a ruling that allows broad religious opt-out will cause more problems, but I also don’t see how MoCo can win under the facts here. Their position is simply unreasonable.

PP here - I should have said the Pride movement and pride parades are about sexual proclivities. I do not think marriage is about sex - either same-sex or opposite-sex. And marriages and relationships are not only about sex. But these books are not about relationships, but Pride and the pride movement. Pride parades are sexual and sexualized and not appropriate for kindergartners.

The pride movement also co-opted the rainbow which is the symbol of God’s covenant of grace and mercy to men. These books teach that the rainbow is the symbol of the pride movement and not God’s covenant, and I find that objectionable.

lol ok

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Actually the opposite is true. Knowing about sex and your body and what is appropriate and not makes kids safer. Ignorance and fear is what allows bad things to remain hidden and go unchecked. You only need consult with the NCMEC, anti trafficking advocacy groups, and victims of sexual assault groups to know this. Further, no one is normalizing sexual acts by young kids. Teenagers and young kids are not the same population. And even within teens no one is seeking to tell them to go out and immediately have sex. They are seeking to inform they about the natural maturation of their bodies and emotions and how to have appropriate and safe relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This isn’t just a sex ed class. These readings are embedded throughout the curriculum so parents have fewer options to withdraw their children. Pride Puppy for example was being utilized in an English class.

The lesson plans go well beyond “gays exist” as has been pointed out. It includes the idea that biological sex is a “guess” which is a pseudo religious, non falsifiable concept that doesn’t belong in a school.

Again show us where this went much further? Pride Puppy is an A to Z kid’s book. Just because one of the searches in the appendix of the book is search for leather for L you all made it more than it is. Leather is a type of material. If kid was reading a Scottish book and we told them to look for Tartan or Kilt how would that be any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

Tf?!

What is “pride”? If not celebration of sexual proclivities then what are celebrants proud of?

Being who they are and being accepted and allowed to exist without prejudice or hiding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This isn’t just a sex ed class. These readings are embedded throughout the curriculum so parents have fewer options to withdraw their children. Pride Puppy for example was being utilized in an English class.

The lesson plans go well beyond “gays exist” as has been pointed out. It includes the idea that biological sex is a “guess” which is a pseudo religious, non falsifiable concept that doesn’t belong in a school.

Again show us where this went much further? Pride Puppy is an A to Z kid’s book. Just because one of the searches in the appendix of the book is search for leather for L you all made it more than it is. Leather is a type of material. If kid was reading a Scottish book and we told them to look for Tartan or Kilt how would that be any different?

DP. Listen, it's not working. Your side's attempt to introduce sexual content to children and groom them into acceptance of your fetishes was caught and your cover story didn't work. Your reward is that SCOTUS will now take a sledgehammer to the entire LGBTQ edifice and crumble it as society cheers. Learn the lesson and stop the overreach before you lose gay marriage as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

+1000
It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.

And that would be a lot of booms to remove. Nothing on Halloween because some think it’s still about the devil. No Harry Potter or boos of the like because folks don’t like magic. Etc etc. Like where would it end.

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Anonymous wrote:They should just put the religious kids in a class together and the non-religious kids in another. I’m tired of religious people.

Even Kagan said that she could see even "non-religious" parents objecting to these books.

And, these books are not just about gay characters, they are glorifying drag queens, etc.

Incidental gay characters are okay, but these books are promoting gay characters.

These books are not in the "sex education" curriculum, they are in the language arts curriculum--and the parents are not allowed to opt their kids out.

I was a teacher before the Pride flag. In the old days, rainbows on drawings were a sign of innocence. No longer.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

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It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This is insane and ignoring reality. The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior. It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities. In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts. It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex. The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults. Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.

Well said.

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.

I agree with you on much of this, but this case is here precisely because MoCo was unable to contain its own radicals. That overreach was always going to cause a reaction. And yes, the slippery slope is serious, but on the other hand, MoCo seriously overreached and other boards across the country have done the same. Not doing anything isn’t an option at this point.

The facts of this case are really bad for MoCo. They chose books that many people agree were inappropriate for young children (myself included). When those books started to be taught, parents pulled their kids. And it wasn’t just a few kids, it was “dozens” out of each class of around 120 kids, so a substantial percentage. This became hard to manage (they claimed) but rather than changing the curriculum they instead made attendance mandatory. And, they put these books throughout the curriculum, rather than in a specific health unit with opt-outs. Parents sued, and this ended up in the Supreme Court where MoCo’s attorney sounded arrogant and unprepared in oral argument.

Of course there is going to be a reaction, and yes it is probably going to cause a problematic slippery slope. But I don’t know what else could happen at this point. MoCo’s hubris caused this, and yes, a ruling that allows broad religious opt-out will cause more problems, but I also don’t see how MoCo can win under the facts here. Their position is simply unreasonable.

PP here - I should have said the Pride movement and pride parades are about sexual proclivities. I do not think marriage is about sex - either same-sex or opposite-sex. And marriages and relationships are not only about sex. But these books are not about relationships, but Pride and the pride movement. Pride parades are sexual and sexualized and not appropriate for kindergartners.

The pride movement also co-opted the rainbow which is the symbol of God’s covenant of grace and mercy to men. These books teach that the rainbow is the symbol of the pride movement and not God’s covenant, and I find that objectionable.

And yet I never learned or thought of the rainbow as a symbol of God’s covenant. So again, that would be your religious interpretation that you want everyone else to respect and honor. Red can be used to represent love or hate. Is it co-opting a movement adopts red and states what it means to them? And even if we say the pride movement co-opted the rainbow wouldn’t they be using it correctly as it’s meant to symbolize acceptance and love of everyone?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you.

It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.

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It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics. Why? I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.

What is with all your pearl clutching. People are sexual entities. They grow into that sexuality as the mature. No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school. They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist. It exist in many forms besides the missionary position. Sexual health and responsibility exist. Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health. LGBTQ people exist. Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.

This isn’t just a sex ed class. These readings are embedded throughout the curriculum so parents have fewer options to withdraw their children. Pride Puppy for example was being utilized in an English class.

The lesson plans go well beyond “gays exist” as has been pointed out. It includes the idea that biological sex is a “guess” which is a pseudo religious, non falsifiable concept that doesn’t belong in a school.

Again show us where this went much further? Pride Puppy is an A to Z kid’s book. Just because one of the searches in the appendix of the book is search for leather for L you all made it more than it is. Leather is a type of material. If kid was reading a Scottish book and we told them to look for Tartan or Kilt how would that be any different?

DP. Listen, it's not working. Your side's attempt to introduce sexual content to children and groom them into acceptance of your fetishes was caught and your cover story didn't work. Your reward is that SCOTUS will now take a sledgehammer to the entire LGBTQ edifice and crumble it as society cheers. Learn the lesson and stop the overreach before you lose gay marriage as well.

Umm 1)I have never nor do I ever expect to be attempting to groom children. 2)Kids are introduced to sexual content everyday (people holding hands, relationships, baby animals being born, etc). 3)I’m not incorrect or losing the argument when all you can do is resort to name calling or baseless accusations or fearful talking points(ie grooming).

And my side believes in freedom, civil rights, intellectual curiosity, critical thinking, and appropriately preparing humans for the world they are to be in charge of one day. What is your side’s beliefs?