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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Parents in Montgomery Count, Maryland, want to be able to opt out of instruction on gender and sexuality that they say goes against their religious convictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/17/lgbtq-books-supreme-court-montgomery-maryland-schools-religion/[/quote]

Why can't these a$$holes just go to parochial school? You cannot dictate public education according to religion. Nor should you. [/quote]
It's you who should form your own private schools where you can peddle your fetish-driven religion to the children of fellow groomers like yourself. The normal people in society shouldn't be driven out of schools so you can run amok with your incessant sex talks.[/quote]

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It will never cease to astound me how much these people actually WANT to expose children to sexual topics.  Why?  I can't fathom the mind of someone who would promote this stuff to children.  [/quote]

What is with all your pearl clutching.  People are sexual entities.  They grow into that sexuality as the mature.  No one is promoting anything sexual or religious wise to kids in school.  They are just not shying away from letting kids make informed decisions. Sex exist.  It exist in many forms besides the missionary position.  Sexual health and responsibility exist.  Folks should understand it just like they get taught about other health.  LGBTQ people exist.  Folks should be taught to respect their choices just like you expect people to respect yours.

How is any of this difficult to comprehend? Why is any of it controversial? Half the people claiming to reject it on religious reasons have many more other things in their lives which are counter to religion observance and behavior.[/quote]

This is insane and ignoring reality.  The fundamental problem is being gay is at its heart about one’s sexual behavior.  It can only be one’s identity if he or she announces his or her sexual proclivities.  In order to have pride in being gay even children need to know it involves sexual acts.  It is the only way to normalize it - expose young children to sex.  The problem is exposing children to sex at a young age breaks down the necessary and natural self defense of these kids that helps avoid being exploited or abused by adults.  Normalizing sex for young kids means normalizing sexual acts by young kids.  [/quote]
Well said.[/quote]

I completely understand where you are coming from with these concerns as a parent. Some of these books MOCO was using are definitely not appropriate for elementary aged children to read. However, the same argument about “being gay fundementally being about sexual behavior” could also be made for straight people. Should we also ban any books that have a relationship between a man and a woman as well. I suspect that you think this argument is nonsensical, but it seems like a double standard if you think any book that includes gay people is not appropriate for children. I am gay and I don't necessarily agree with children books that predominantly focus on someones identity as the topic of a book, but I am worried that this the outcome of this court ruling will effectively ban any books that have gay people in them (even incidentally) in public schools. I don't want my kids reading pride puppy either, but the implications of this court ruling are likely much larger than the absurd books that MOCO had in their curriculum. Will my kid be allowed to share a story about their summer vacation with their two dads or do parents with religious objections get to opt out of this story as well? Will a book that has a main character who is a single mother be unable to be read in class because some devoutly religious parents are opposed to this “lifestyle”. Parents having unlimited religious opt-out rights effectively becomes a veto authority over sections of the curriculum if people utilize it enough that it makes a teachers workload impossible to manage. Most Teachers don't have the time to make alternative lesson plans for every topic. They will just start removing any books with potential religious objections preemptively to avoid creating extra work for themselves.[/quote]

I agree with you on much of this, but this case is here precisely because MoCo was unable to contain its own radicals. That overreach was always going to cause a reaction. And yes, the slippery slope is serious, but on the other hand, MoCo seriously overreached and other boards across the country have done the same. Not doing anything isn’t an option at this point.

The facts of this case are really bad for MoCo. They chose books that many people agree were inappropriate for young children (myself included). When those books started to be taught, parents pulled their kids. And it wasn’t just a few kids, it was “dozens” out of each class of around 120 kids, so a substantial percentage. This became hard to manage (they claimed) but rather than changing the curriculum they instead made attendance mandatory. And, they put these books throughout the curriculum, rather than in a specific health unit with opt-outs. Parents sued, and this ended up in the Supreme Court where MoCo’s attorney sounded arrogant and unprepared in oral argument.

Of course there is going to be a reaction, and yes it is probably going to cause a problematic slippery slope. But I don’t know what else could happen at this point. MoCo’s hubris caused this, and yes, a ruling that allows broad religious opt-out will cause more problems, but I also don’t see how MoCo can win under the facts here. Their position is simply unreasonable.

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PP here - I should have said the Pride movement and pride parades are about sexual proclivities.  I do not think marriage is about sex - either same-sex or opposite-sex. And marriages and relationships are not only about sex. But these books are not about relationships, but Pride and the pride movement.  Pride parades are sexual and sexualized and not appropriate for kindergartners.

The pride movement also co-opted the rainbow which is the symbol of God’s covenant of grace and mercy to men. These books teach that the rainbow is the symbol of the pride movement and not God’s covenant, and I find that objectionable. [/quote]

And yet I never learned or thought of the rainbow as a symbol of God’s covenant.  So again, that would be your religious interpretation that you want everyone else to respect and honor. Red can be used to represent love or hate.  Is it co-opting a movement adopts red and states what it means to them? And even if we say the pride movement co-opted the rainbow wouldn’t they be using it correctly as it’s meant to symbolize acceptance and love of everyone?[/quote]

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