Are upper middle class family gatherings now just luxury travel pissing contests?

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Anonymous wrote:My family will skimp on clothes (no brand names), our furniture is from IKEA, we drive economy cars, but we love to travel. Our main hobbies are scuba diving, hiking and mountain biking. So yes, we will "brag" and so do our friends. I don't understand homebodies, one can see the world on any budget.

Not any budget. Many people can barely afford to eat every day much less ever own a car and say they skimp by driving economy cars. I get your point even though your hobbies are somewhat expensive, but there are people that turn these activities into reflections that are tone deaf. Like the mom I met who said she appreciated the happiness of poor people and loveliness of being around animals after doing her 3rd safari tour staying in luxurious accommodations and being led by a guide.

Why all the shaming? So the mom can travel to her 3rd safari, so what? Why is everyone so offended all of a sudden? Did she steal her travel money? Or she should've not gone anywhere and "could've helped the less fortunate"?

Oh and "many people can barefly afford to eat every day"...no offense, but there are a lot of programs to feed the hungry. I regularly donate to our local food back and you should hear the stories about how picky some people are. There are free lunches at schools for those who qualify too.

Yes, my hobbies are expensive, I like them, I pay for them, I don't borrow or whine or b*** about how expensive things are. I'd rather travel the world than sit on my ass whining.

It's not that. It's pretending you are very thrifty when you are only thrifty about some things and make up for it with luxury on others. You are discriminating with money, not thrifty just because you don't buy luxury everything. It's pretending that the people who greet you on Safari are happy being poor when it's literally their job to be happy and welcoming and likely they could be struggling a lot. It's romanticizing poverty and acting like you understand the people just because you met some of them at a tourist destination.

You sound tone deaf on the affordability of America and the world and not someone who can understand why not everyone can afford a trip if they just save a little bit buy not buying luxury for everything.

Ugh. So I should give up my "wants" to make you or the "rest of the world" feel better about themselves? So let's stop travel. Altogether. Let's make sure countries who live off hospitality industry don't make a dime off "the rich and spoiled and tone deaf" Americans or Europeans. By the way, how much are you donating to the poor? How are you fixing poverty? Don't be shy, it is an anonymous forum after all.

Do you really think people believe you are counting change when you go on these exotic trips just because you don't buy a luxury car? Just own up that these are luxury items and have some understanding that not everyone can afford these or thinks you are special because you went on these trips. If you think you are more worldly than other family members just because you met some person on a mountain biking trip across the world that you could have just met at the metro here than that is being pretentious. I'm sure the people who like mountain biking find these trips much more interesting than the people who like other activities. You gained intelligence in mountain biking more than into other cultures. Gauge the room is all. You are probably just as bored at listening to the person who stayed here and did a staycation in DC as they are of your mountain biking trip in the alps. There is only so much that is relatable and that either party wants to hear.

Yes, let's all sit quietly at the dinner table because someone will get offended that I went on a trip or that a cousin bought a car or that a nephew got into college. Let's all be quiet.

You are being deliberately obtuse. There are ways to discuss these things without bragging. Do you really not know the difference? Or you just like arguing?

Well, give me an example. "Susie, what are you doing for the holidays?" - Should I lie, stare at my food, not tell the truth of where I am going to make yourself feel better because you can't afford to go? I am dead serious, do you prefer that others lie about their lifestyles so that you are not offended?

Them: What are you doing for the holidays?

You: We are taking the family to Costa Rica!

Them: Oh that's nice! What will you do there?

You: Visit the beach, do a zipline maybe. (This is the part where you don't need to give braggy details)

Them: Oh cool!

You: What about you guys? Will your mom be visiting again? (Change the subject back to them)

This is simply how polite, mannered conversation works. You do not talk too much about yourself.

You do realize that even mentioning one is going somewhere nice can trigger "you are being uppity". Even something as simple as this.

I know the feeling. When I go downy Ocean, everybody thinks I’m bragging because I get a hotel right on the boardwalk, while they’re slummin’ it bayside. You only live once, and if I’m walking distance to Thrasher’s French Fries, life’s good.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe you just weren’t this prone to jealousy before?

Who's jealous? It's just shallow and boring conversation. Shallow and boring is fine among professional work associates but family are only together a couple of times a year and THIS is the most spirited dialogue now? It's sad.

Travel is not “shallow and boring conversation.” What do you want to discuss? Little Larlo’s soccer? Little Larlo is going into AAP?

You piss money away flying places to eat & booze to try to appear interesting. It's just mindless consumerism.

I don't know anyone who travels for this reason.

Some influencers seem to, but that is there job after all.

Not an influencer, but we are foodies and wine snobs, so yes our travel often revolves around picking restaurants and wine tasting. But not like an influencer. It's simply because it's something we love. So if we are visiting France, it will include 2-3 days in a wine region, same for Italy or Spain. Because it's something we love.

I love to eat and try new and different foods, but if I ever call myself a “foodie”….

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so explain to us. In what context, if ever, are we allowed to mention travel such that it won’t be considered bragging?

If someone directly asks you, “so did you travel this summer?” you can respond with where you went. If they ask follow up questions, you may answer.

It’s that simple. If no one asks, don’t bring it up and definitely do not post on social media.

One could say this about almost any topic of conversation. So don’t talk about your kids, your job, your house, etc. Perhaps you could discuss the weather?

Yes, generally speaking you don't walk up to someone and start randomly bragging about something they didn't ask about it. That's how polite conversation works.

Who the hell does that?

I seriously think the people who claim these sort of obnoxious travel conversation happens have never been part of any of those conversations and are instead just making things up because they’re bitter they never go anywhere.

Good grief, everyone isn't jealous of your cliche-filled travel escapades. I know a few very rich who find traveling annoying and overrated, especially international travel. Their primary home is a mansion, they might have a second vacation home on a Delaware or Florida beach and that's pretty much the only place they go. They're not too poor to travel and they're not narrow-minded rubes. They're just rich and confident and don't need to try to buy a personality with airline miles and passport stamps.

Yep, my trip to Pskov and Chernobyl were so cliche. I mean, everyone goes there … so overrun with tourists.

Honestly plenty of people did the Chernobyl thing. I was in Ukraine twice this year. No big deal really.

“The Chernobyl thing”? That’s a very cynical and hateful way of describing visiting the site of a horrific disaster. Visiting Chernobyl and Pripyat was one of the most wrenching experiences of my life.

As it happens, Chernobyl got roughly 73,000 visitors in 2019. When I went in 2008, fewer than 1,000 people went.

So while you might have gone after it became relatively more popular, when I went there was no tourist infrastructure whatsoever.

Meh. It was heavily promoted by tourism operators in Ukraine prior to the war. Like I said, no big deal. And I was in Ukraine twice this year and once last year (for tourism, not work). Again, no big deal and not really worth mentioning. Same with Pskov, Narva in Estonia, the Saatse Boot, Belarus and so many other places in the region. All quite pedestrian and common. I’m sorry these experiences were so impactful to you that you go on and on about them nearly 20 years later, but for the rest of us, it’s just business as usual. So as much as I enjoy travel, guess I agree with the OP!

You went to Ukraine three times in the last two years for tourism…while a war was going on? Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe you just weren’t this prone to jealousy before?

Who's jealous? It's just shallow and boring conversation. Shallow and boring is fine among professional work associates but family are only together a couple of times a year and THIS is the most spirited dialogue now? It's sad.

Travel is not “shallow and boring conversation.” What do you want to discuss? Little Larlo’s soccer? Little Larlo is going into AAP?

You piss money away flying places to eat & booze to try to appear interesting. It's just mindless consumerism.

I don't know anyone who travels for this reason.

Some influencers seem to, but that is there job after all.

Not an influencer, but we are foodies and wine snobs, so yes our travel often revolves around picking restaurants and wine tasting. But not like an influencer. It's simply because it's something we love. So if we are visiting France, it will include 2-3 days in a wine region, same for Italy or Spain. Because it's something we love.

Flying around the globe to literally eat food and get drunk. Are you retirees without grandkids or bored out of your mind DINKs?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe you just weren’t this prone to jealousy before?

Who's jealous? It's just shallow and boring conversation. Shallow and boring is fine among professional work associates but family are only together a couple of times a year and THIS is the most spirited dialogue now? It's sad.

Would you rather they talk about their job? Politics? Religion?

Honestly, I much prefer to hear about the extended family’s vacations than talk about Trump over Thanksgiving.

It's our one big family gathering this year, everyone get in a circle and let's all faux-coy brag about how much we blew on travel "experiences" this year like shallow materialistic strivers. Womp, womp.

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Anonymous wrote:My family will skimp on clothes (no brand names), our furniture is from IKEA, we drive economy cars, but we love to travel. Our main hobbies are scuba diving, hiking and mountain biking. So yes, we will "brag" and so do our friends. I don't understand homebodies, one can see the world on any budget.

Not any budget. Many people can barely afford to eat every day much less ever own a car and say they skimp by driving economy cars. I get your point even though your hobbies are somewhat expensive, but there are people that turn these activities into reflections that are tone deaf. Like the mom I met who said she appreciated the happiness of poor people and loveliness of being around animals after doing her 3rd safari tour staying in luxurious accommodations and being led by a guide.

Why all the shaming? So the mom can travel to her 3rd safari, so what? Why is everyone so offended all of a sudden? Did she steal her travel money? Or she should've not gone anywhere and "could've helped the less fortunate"?

Oh and "many people can barefly afford to eat every day"...no offense, but there are a lot of programs to feed the hungry. I regularly donate to our local food back and you should hear the stories about how picky some people are. There are free lunches at schools for those who qualify too.

Yes, my hobbies are expensive, I like them, I pay for them, I don't borrow or whine or b*** about how expensive things are. I'd rather travel the world than sit on my ass whining.

It's not that. It's pretending you are very thrifty when you are only thrifty about some things and make up for it with luxury on others. You are discriminating with money, not thrifty just because you don't buy luxury everything. It's pretending that the people who greet you on Safari are happy being poor when it's literally their job to be happy and welcoming and likely they could be struggling a lot. It's romanticizing poverty and acting like you understand the people just because you met some of them at a tourist destination.

You sound tone deaf on the affordability of America and the world and not someone who can understand why not everyone can afford a trip if they just save a little bit buy not buying luxury for everything.

Ugh. So I should give up my "wants" to make you or the "rest of the world" feel better about themselves? So let's stop travel. Altogether. Let's make sure countries who live off hospitality industry don't make a dime off "the rich and spoiled and tone deaf" Americans or Europeans. By the way, how much are you donating to the poor? How are you fixing poverty? Don't be shy, it is an anonymous forum after all.

Do you really think people believe you are counting change when you go on these exotic trips just because you don't buy a luxury car? Just own up that these are luxury items and have some understanding that not everyone can afford these or thinks you are special because you went on these trips. If you think you are more worldly than other family members just because you met some person on a mountain biking trip across the world that you could have just met at the metro here than that is being pretentious. I'm sure the people who like mountain biking find these trips much more interesting than the people who like other activities. You gained intelligence in mountain biking more than into other cultures. Gauge the room is all. You are probably just as bored at listening to the person who stayed here and did a staycation in DC as they are of your mountain biking trip in the alps. There is only so much that is relatable and that either party wants to hear.

Yes, let's all sit quietly at the dinner table because someone will get offended that I went on a trip or that a cousin bought a car or that a nephew got into college. Let's all be quiet.

Yup---I don't attend gatherings where I cannot be myself. I'm excited to hear about someone's trip or college or anything that is important to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are misinterpreting OP's complaint. I don't see OP saying that any discussion of travel should be avoided, but specifically that "pissing contests" over travel are annoying and unpleasant. To me this is a distinct thing. I love hearing about others' travels or whatever they've been up to that they are excited about (could be a recent trip to Japan or some new plantings in their garden or a new hobby or whatever). But I don't enjoy when family member or friends engage in pissing contests over anything but especially something like travel where this can easily devolve into who traveled the most or the furthest or went to the most impressive/rare place.

My family doesn't do this with travel but recently got into this pattern with charitable activity. Now I of course am very supportive of all their charitable activity! But some recent family gatherings have become weirdly competitive with people talking about their charitable activity in a competitive way and explicitly trying to top one another and impress one another with how much they are giving or volunteering. It's really weird!

My response to conversations like this is to not participate and look for ways to change the subject or exit the convo. It's the competitive vibe and one-upsmanship that is the problem, not the actual subject of conversation which is essentially neutral.

I’m a travel enthusiast. I don’t think it is a pissing contest when people share travel plans or stories. Maybe it sounds like this to a third party who isn’t engaging. I’m very passionate about travel and get excited talking about it.

We recently went to a Taylor swift concert. My daughter loves Taylor swift. I remember telling my daughter not to brag. She was so excited before and after the concert. She doesn’t know or care how much tickets cost. Her friends may have been also excited to go to Disney or their grandparents house in Michigan to spend with their cousins.

I’m confused. Why would someone brag about attending a Taylor Swift concert?

All of her friends like Taylor swift. Not everyone can drop 10k for a concert.

In this area? I’m surprised.

We can easily spend that, but not willing to spend that for a tween/teen. I have never spent that much on a concert for myself, so why would I do it for a tween/teen?

I personally want to spend that experience with my daughter. I also have never spent that much on a concert. I hope to remain close to my children. I want to hang out with them and my grandchildren one day and yes, travel together.

And if that's what you want, go for it! We are close to our 20 something kids. We travel with them (we still pay so that helps, they of course want to come). We plan to continue paying for them and their SO/Families as they grow older. Travel is so much fun! Point is people do what they value. We would rather spend that $10K on a trip to Europe. My kid knows that (college age) and didn't even ask for $3K for tickets when Taylor was in our area (not DCUM). But I get that everyone spends on what matters to them. Why not spend money if you have it and have budgeted it for "entertainment/travel/extras"

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are misinterpreting OP's complaint. I don't see OP saying that any discussion of travel should be avoided, but specifically that "pissing contests" over travel are annoying and unpleasant. To me this is a distinct thing. I love hearing about others' travels or whatever they've been up to that they are excited about (could be a recent trip to Japan or some new plantings in their garden or a new hobby or whatever). But I don't enjoy when family member or friends engage in pissing contests over anything but especially something like travel where this can easily devolve into who traveled the most or the furthest or went to the most impressive/rare place.

My family doesn't do this with travel but recently got into this pattern with charitable activity. Now I of course am very supportive of all their charitable activity! But some recent family gatherings have become weirdly competitive with people talking about their charitable activity in a competitive way and explicitly trying to top one another and impress one another with how much they are giving or volunteering. It's really weird!

My response to conversations like this is to not participate and look for ways to change the subject or exit the convo. It's the competitive vibe and one-upsmanship that is the problem, not the actual subject of conversation which is essentially neutral.

I’m a travel enthusiast. I don’t think it is a pissing contest when people share travel plans or stories. Maybe it sounds like this to a third party who isn’t engaging. I’m very passionate about travel and get excited talking about it.

We recently went to a Taylor swift concert. My daughter loves Taylor swift. I remember telling my daughter not to brag. She was so excited before and after the concert. She doesn’t know or care how much tickets cost. Her friends may have been also excited to go to Disney or their grandparents house in Michigan to spend with their cousins.

I’m confused. Why would someone brag about attending a Taylor Swift concert?

All of her friends like Taylor swift. Not everyone can drop 10k for a concert.

In this area? I’m surprised.

We can easily spend that, but not willing to spend that for a tween/teen. I have never spent that much on a concert for myself, so why would I do it for a tween/teen?

I personally want to spend that experience with my daughter. I also have never spent that much on a concert. I hope to remain close to my children. I want to hang out with them and my grandchildren one day and yes, travel together.

And if that's what you want, go for it! We are close to our 20 something kids. We travel with them (we still pay so that helps, they of course want to come). We plan to continue paying for them and their SO/Families as they grow older. Travel is so much fun! Point is people do what they value. We would rather spend that $10K on a trip to Europe. My kid knows that (college age) and didn't even ask for $3K for tickets when Taylor was in our area (not DCUM). But I get that everyone spends on what matters to them. Why not spend money if you have it and have budgeted it for "entertainment/travel/extras"

Love this!

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe you just weren’t this prone to jealousy before?

Who's jealous? It's just shallow and boring conversation. Shallow and boring is fine among professional work associates but family are only together a couple of times a year and THIS is the most spirited dialogue now? It's sad.

Travel is not “shallow and boring conversation.” What do you want to discuss? Little Larlo’s soccer? Little Larlo is going into AAP?

You piss money away flying places to eat & booze to try to appear interesting. It's just mindless consumerism.

I don't know anyone who travels for this reason.

Some influencers seem to, but that is there job after all.

Not an influencer, but we are foodies and wine snobs, so yes our travel often revolves around picking restaurants and wine tasting. But not like an influencer. It's simply because it's something we love. So if we are visiting France, it will include 2-3 days in a wine region, same for Italy or Spain. Because it's something we love.

Flying around the globe to literally eat food and get drunk. Are you retirees without grandkids or bored out of your mind DINKs?

Neither. Close to early retirement, no grandkids yet (kids still in college/recent grad). We fly around the world to see the world---we like to travel, we also like food and wine. So we integrate that into our vacations, if the country has it. Why not visit Bordeaux or Chianti or Brunello Region as part of your vacation? Why does that trigger you?

We are UHNW, so might as well spend our money and enjoy life while we can still travel (I'm guessing at 75 we might not want to be traveling quite as much)---so lets spend the next 20 years doing that. We include our kids on the trips, when they can come. Great family bonding time, and will continue to do so once they have SO/grandkids. So many places to see. And once we retire (in 6-12 months) we will add more travel. Once grandkids arrive, we will spend more time traveling to our kids and spending 1-2 weeks several times per year with them.

So just living the life we want to.

But if you want to stay home and only travel to see your kids/grandkids go for it. We prefer to do many more things with our life

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Anonymous wrote:My family will skimp on clothes (no brand names), our furniture is from IKEA, we drive economy cars, but we love to travel. Our main hobbies are scuba diving, hiking and mountain biking. So yes, we will "brag" and so do our friends. I don't understand homebodies, one can see the world on any budget.

Not any budget. Many people can barely afford to eat every day much less ever own a car and say they skimp by driving economy cars. I get your point even though your hobbies are somewhat expensive, but there are people that turn these activities into reflections that are tone deaf. Like the mom I met who said she appreciated the happiness of poor people and loveliness of being around animals after doing her 3rd safari tour staying in luxurious accommodations and being led by a guide.

Why all the shaming? So the mom can travel to her 3rd safari, so what? Why is everyone so offended all of a sudden? Did she steal her travel money? Or she should've not gone anywhere and "could've helped the less fortunate"?

Oh and "many people can barefly afford to eat every day"...no offense, but there are a lot of programs to feed the hungry. I regularly donate to our local food back and you should hear the stories about how picky some people are. There are free lunches at schools for those who qualify too.

Yes, my hobbies are expensive, I like them, I pay for them, I don't borrow or whine or b*** about how expensive things are. I'd rather travel the world than sit on my ass whining.

It's not that. It's pretending you are very thrifty when you are only thrifty about some things and make up for it with luxury on others. You are discriminating with money, not thrifty just because you don't buy luxury everything. It's pretending that the people who greet you on Safari are happy being poor when it's literally their job to be happy and welcoming and likely they could be struggling a lot. It's romanticizing poverty and acting like you understand the people just because you met some of them at a tourist destination.

You sound tone deaf on the affordability of America and the world and not someone who can understand why not everyone can afford a trip if they just save a little bit buy not buying luxury for everything.

Ugh. So I should give up my "wants" to make you or the "rest of the world" feel better about themselves? So let's stop travel. Altogether. Let's make sure countries who live off hospitality industry don't make a dime off "the rich and spoiled and tone deaf" Americans or Europeans. By the way, how much are you donating to the poor? How are you fixing poverty? Don't be shy, it is an anonymous forum after all.

Do you really think people believe you are counting change when you go on these exotic trips just because you don't buy a luxury car? Just own up that these are luxury items and have some understanding that not everyone can afford these or thinks you are special because you went on these trips. If you think you are more worldly than other family members just because you met some person on a mountain biking trip across the world that you could have just met at the metro here than that is being pretentious. I'm sure the people who like mountain biking find these trips much more interesting than the people who like other activities. You gained intelligence in mountain biking more than into other cultures. Gauge the room is all. You are probably just as bored at listening to the person who stayed here and did a staycation in DC as they are of your mountain biking trip in the alps. There is only so much that is relatable and that either party wants to hear.

Yes, let's all sit quietly at the dinner table because someone will get offended that I went on a trip or that a cousin bought a car or that a nephew got into college. Let's all be quiet.

Yup---I don't attend gatherings where I cannot be myself. I'm excited to hear about someone's trip or college or anything that is important to them.

You are guaranteed someone will be offended by something. Your kid getting into college, you getting a promotion, your family taking a trip. It forces self-conscious people to lie about things which, of course, tend to come out later. DH has a sibling whose family is always going through stuff, mostly financial, and they cannot handle if we are doing anything "fun" in their minds. We eventually stopped sharing anything with them because they would take offense. "You went WHERE? You saw WHAT? Well, we can't afford XYZ" and always with that "how dare you do things with your family while we are suffering". They started finding out about stuff much much later than everyonr else because they would also leave us comments on social media.

And before anyone says "well, why can't you help the brother out?", we did on many occasions, it went nowhere, money down the drain.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel-holics are only traveling to brag. The internet ruined everything because it removes the adventure aspect from even the most remote places. You can watch a video about your future plan trip to Nepal, the taxi you will take from the airport, watch a video about the Nepalese hostel you want to stay in, the sites you will see and the food you will eat. It both removes the mystery of the trip and the excitement of feeling like you are doing something very few others are doing. And every global city has been homogenized.

You saw some buildings, took a hike, and looked at some paintings. So what? You had some food at a hole in the wall off the beaten path? Wow, you sound just like Bourdain. There's not much food abroad that you can't find here in the states. All the destinations are crowded; hotels, airbnbs, and restaurants are scamming you. The show White Lotus captures this pretty well.

Mass traveling doesn't make you sophisticated, it should be much more stigmatized. Travel-holic NPC dweebs are ruining towns across the world.

I’d much rather talk about the show White Lotus than hear about someone’s actual trip to that location.

OK and? Many of us do love to travel and would love to hear about trips to "White Lotuses".

Every single topic of conversation doesn't have to revolve around your interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel-holics are only traveling to brag. The internet ruined everything because it removes the adventure aspect from even the most remote places. You can watch a video about your future plan trip to Nepal, the taxi you will take from the airport, watch a video about the Nepalese hostel you want to stay in, the sites you will see and the food you will eat. It both removes the mystery of the trip and the excitement of feeling like you are doing something very few others are doing. And every global city has been homogenized.

You saw some buildings, took a hike, and looked at some paintings. So what? You had some food at a hole in the wall off the beaten path? Wow, you sound just like Bourdain. There's not much food abroad that you can't find here in the states. All the destinations are crowded; hotels, airbnbs, and restaurants are scamming you. The show White Lotus captures this pretty well.

Mass traveling doesn't make you sophisticated, it should be much more stigmatized. Travel-holic NPC dweebs are ruining towns across the world.

I’d much rather talk about the show White Lotus than hear about someone’s actual trip to that location.

OK and? Many of us do love to travel and would love to hear about trips to "White Lotuses".

Every single topic of conversation doesn't have to revolve around your interests.

What is White Lotus and why would I want to talk about a show? Is it a reality show?

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Anonymous wrote:Travel-holics are only traveling to brag. The internet ruined everything because it removes the adventure aspect from even the most remote places. You can watch a video about your future plan trip to Nepal, the taxi you will take from the airport, watch a video about the Nepalese hostel you want to stay in, the sites you will see and the food you will eat. It both removes the mystery of the trip and the excitement of feeling like you are doing something very few others are doing. And every global city has been homogenized.

You saw some buildings, took a hike, and looked at some paintings. So what? You had some food at a hole in the wall off the beaten path? Wow, you sound just like Bourdain. There's not much food abroad that you can't find here in the states. All the destinations are crowded; hotels, airbnbs, and restaurants are scamming you. The show White Lotus captures this pretty well.

Mass traveling doesn't make you sophisticated, it should be much more stigmatized. Travel-holic NPC dweebs are ruining towns across the world.

I’d much rather talk about the show White Lotus than hear about someone’s actual trip to that location.

OK and? Many of us do love to travel and would love to hear about trips to "White Lotuses".

Every single topic of conversation doesn't have to revolve around your interests.

What is White Lotus and why would I want to talk about a show? Is it a reality show?

Good lord. Someone's been living under a rock for the last 3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel-holics are only traveling to brag. The internet ruined everything because it removes the adventure aspect from even the most remote places. You can watch a video about your future plan trip to Nepal, the taxi you will take from the airport, watch a video about the Nepalese hostel you want to stay in, the sites you will see and the food you will eat. It both removes the mystery of the trip and the excitement of feeling like you are doing something very few others are doing. And every global city has been homogenized.

You saw some buildings, took a hike, and looked at some paintings. So what? You had some food at a hole in the wall off the beaten path? Wow, you sound just like Bourdain. There's not much food abroad that you can't find here in the states. All the destinations are crowded; hotels, airbnbs, and restaurants are scamming you. The show White Lotus captures this pretty well.

Mass traveling doesn't make you sophisticated, it should be much more stigmatized. Travel-holic NPC dweebs are ruining towns across the world.

I’d much rather talk about the show White Lotus than hear about someone’s actual trip to that location.

OK and? Many of us do love to travel and would love to hear about trips to "White Lotuses".

Every single topic of conversation doesn't have to revolve around your interests.

What is White Lotus and why would I want to talk about a show? Is it a reality show?

Why would you want to talk about a show?

What is wrong with you people?

Some people talk about travel. Some talk about TV shows and movies they like. Some talk about food they like.

Is it really that hard to imagine?

PS: White Lotus is an HBO series.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel-holics are only traveling to brag. The internet ruined everything because it removes the adventure aspect from even the most remote places. You can watch a video about your future plan trip to Nepal, the taxi you will take from the airport, watch a video about the Nepalese hostel you want to stay in, the sites you will see and the food you will eat. It both removes the mystery of the trip and the excitement of feeling like you are doing something very few others are doing. And every global city has been homogenized.

You saw some buildings, took a hike, and looked at some paintings. So what? You had some food at a hole in the wall off the beaten path? Wow, you sound just like Bourdain. There's not much food abroad that you can't find here in the states. All the destinations are crowded; hotels, airbnbs, and restaurants are scamming you. The show White Lotus captures this pretty well.

Mass traveling doesn't make you sophisticated, it should be much more stigmatized. Travel-holic NPC dweebs are ruining towns across the world.

I’d much rather talk about the show White Lotus than hear about someone’s actual trip to that location.

OK and? Many of us do love to travel and would love to hear about trips to "White Lotuses".

Every single topic of conversation doesn't have to revolve around your interests.

What is White Lotus and why would I want to talk about a show? Is it a reality show?

Good lord. Someone's been living under a rock for the last 3 years.

Someone has better things to do in life than watch TV?