Bill Maher explains the Middle East to Gen Z: Can anyone really dispute the facts?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff is an Orientalist; he cannot be objective about this topic.

Atrocities are committed on both sides; both sides use people as pawns and shields in this conflict. Why is nobody mentioning how many rockets Hezbollah fired over Yom Kippur?

Why are we holding Israel to a higher expectation and are outraged when they do not act with some high moral ground, but it is ok for Hamas and Hezbollah to be savage?
On that note, why is it barely news that rockets were fired at Israel, but we are all judging Israelis with a different lens?

I wrote a long post about how people are used and abused by those in power on both sides. Why are so many outraged only on behalf of Israel's actions?

I am not an Orientalist and I consider that label to be an insult. I assume that you consider yourself to be perfectly objective?

Hezbollah's rockets hit a military base and killed and wounded members of the Golani Brigade. Israel, however, bombed a Christian village in northern Lebanon:

The day that we provide equal funds and weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Israel will be the day that I hold them all to the same standard. But I don't think that objecting to my tax dollars being used to support genocide is out of line.

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Anonymous wrote:No, if Hamas and Hezbollah choose to secrete themselves into civilian neighborhoods, as they saying goes, "you get what you get".

The overwhelming Palestinian population has elected Hamas as the government of Gaza.

Really?
Is it not true that Hana’s was last elected nearly 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians were either unborn or else ineligible to vote? And didn’t Hamas fail to gain a plurality of the vote at that time, but instead assume power with the assistance of the Israeli government?

Boy, your command of the actual facts is really bad, even for a Zionist.

20 years ago? Why are you judging their electoral system by U.S. standards? it is what it is.

Better question: why are you insinuating that the innocents being slaughtered by Israel have themselves to blame?

Yes. This. We can go back and forth about he 2006 election but honestly does it matter? Clearly more than militants are being killed (and maimed and displaced don’t forget). I understand it’s hard to accept that Israel is this cruel, but it is. I find it sickening that a country whose people know suffering can inflict such harm on others. (Ps. I’m not an anti semite. I’m of Jewish descent and think my people must do better).

The Hamas militants are hiding among civilians and literally used hospitals and other civilian facilities to launch attacks on the IDF. They are thus equally culpable in the killings of civilians. It's extremely misleading to try and claim that EVERY civilian death is SOLELY the fault of the IDF and we are far past due an admission from pro-Palestinians of that.

Let's agree that Israel and Hamas have equal responsibility for the ongoing genocide. The leaders of both sides should be indicted on war crimes (has already happened) and the U.S. should follow U.S. law and stop supplying weapons to both sides. Of course, the U.S. does not supply weapons to Hamas so we can only stop providing weapons to Israel. But, this will meet your objection of not placing fault only on one side.

Does what is happening in Gaza fall under this definition? Isreal could have mowed the land there by now. Did it?
Definition of genocide by the U.N.
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Yes, Israel has killed members of the group, upwards of 40,000 of them. Yes, Israel has caused serious bodily and mental harm to members of the group. Yes, Israel is deliberately inflicting conditions on the group calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part — namely, it is striving Palestinians in northern Gaza at the moment. So, Israel is clearly 3 for 5 and only one is needed. Moreover, there are arguments that Israel has done the last two as well.

It's not only me saying this, but the International Court of Justice as well.

No, that's a common misconception. The IJC did not say that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

“a plausible risk of genocide”. Seems like it.

For the folks who keep using the word "genocide," have you actually stopped to compare the civilian casualty stats from the Gaza war to other urban combat scenarios?

Current death toll estimates from Gaza Health Ministry is around 42,000. This number has been disputed but for the sake of argument let's accept it, as pro-Palestine activists don't have any reason to dispute it. It's known that in those numbers, the Gaza Health Ministry lumps together civilians and militants, so we need to separate the numbers out. IDF claims 17,000 militants killed in Gaza, of which 8,500 are confirmed and identified in detailed reports. If we go by that smaller number, that gives us 42,000-8,500 = 33,500 civilians as a worst-case number. Given a population of approximately 2 million for Gaza, that gives a per-capita civilian death rate of 1.67%

In comparison, the civilian death rate in WWII was 2.17% to 2.39%. Korean war was 6.67% to 10%. Battle of Mosul may have been as high as 2.67%. Battle of Manila 10% - yet with higher civilian casualty rates than Gaza, none of these have ever been regarded as being "genocide" apart from the 6 million who died in Nazi concentration camps out of an estimated 50-55 million who died overall as a result of WWII.

Yes, war is brutal and awful and yes, the Gaza war needs to end, and yes, there are documented examples of IDF abuses and war crimes, and yes, tens of thousands of civilian Palestinian casualties is horrible but going by the numbers, it still does not bear out the term "genocide" and the numbers for Gaza are generally consistent with the numbers seen in combat elsewhere. Using that term is inflammatory rhetoric.

Your commitment to defending Israel would be commendable were it not for such a terrible cause. The Health Ministry figures you cite are out of date. While the Health Ministry gets a lot of criticism for its numbers, the ministry is really quite conservative and only counts those victims that it can identify. Those who are still buried under rubble and can't be identified are not counted. According to a recent letter in "The Lancet" that is discussed in this article, the actual number of deaths, both direct and indirect, from the conflict may be as high as 186,000:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240711-more-than-186-000-dead-in-gaza-how-credible-are-the-estimates-published-on-the-lancet

Odd, since that I recall that several months back, that same group previously defended the Health Ministry numbers and said were generally accurate when they were being disputed by others. But anyhow, to arrive at that bigger number, they make a lot of guesses and estimates, for which there's not really much real evidence to support it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, if Hamas and Hezbollah choose to secrete themselves into civilian neighborhoods, as they saying goes, "you get what you get".

The overwhelming Palestinian population has elected Hamas as the government of Gaza.

The bolded is not true. There was never an election for the government of Gaza. The Israelis also put their bases in civilian areas. I guess you won't complain if Israeli civilians are harmed during attacks on those installations.

Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006.

Right, legislative elections for the entire Palestinian territories. Not Gaza and not the presidency. It is the executive branch (president) that governs, not the legislature. As I said, there was never an election for the government of Gaza.

Well then, I guess every Palestinian should scheme, plot and plan to kill Hamas and anyone tied to the Gaza government, doncha think?

Right now Palestinians are doing all they can to escape Israel's attempt to exterminate them. You know, the Israelis elected Netanyahu. There is no dispute about that. Should every single Israeli be held responsible for Netanyahu?

If Israel wanted to exterminate Palestinians, they would all be dead and gone now.

They’re getting there with the help of the US. They cant be obvious about it and expect to survive. So they’ll continue killing families with the excuse that Hamas is hiding amongst them. No kidding, they aren’t the first enemy that hides in a hospital or school. They will also continue to destroy every housing unit in Gaza so that the survivors have nowhere to go.

These are the same evil people who kept screaming about Hamas destroying one hospital, then went silent when Israel destroyed all of the others. You know why they can't accept to have it called a genocide? Because they know they defend it and excuse it. They're the racists who don't want to be called racists. They will excuse every F***ing thing Israel does and attempt to rebrand it because they can't accept who they are.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, if Hamas and Hezbollah choose to secrete themselves into civilian neighborhoods, as they saying goes, "you get what you get".

The overwhelming Palestinian population has elected Hamas as the government of Gaza.

The bolded is not true. There was never an election for the government of Gaza. The Israelis also put their bases in civilian areas. I guess you won't complain if Israeli civilians are harmed during attacks on those installations.

Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006.

Right, legislative elections for the entire Palestinian territories. Not Gaza and not the presidency. It is the executive branch (president) that governs, not the legislature. As I said, there was never an election for the government of Gaza.

Well then, I guess every Palestinian should scheme, plot and plan to kill Hamas and anyone tied to the Gaza government, doncha think?

Right now Palestinians are doing all they can to escape Israel's attempt to exterminate them. You know, the Israelis elected Netanyahu. There is no dispute about that. Should every single Israeli be held responsible for Netanyahu?

If Israel wanted to exterminate Palestinians, they would all be dead and gone now.

They’re getting there with the help of the US. They cant be obvious about it and expect to survive. So they’ll continue killing families with the excuse that Hamas is hiding amongst them. No kidding, they aren’t the first enemy that hides in a hospital or school. They will also continue to destroy every housing unit in Gaza so that the survivors have nowhere to go.

These are the same evil people who kept screaming about Hamas destroying one hospital, then went silent when Israel destroyed all of the others. You know why they can't accept to have it called a genocide? Because they know they defend it and excuse it. They're the racists who don't want to be called racists. They will excuse every F***ing thing Israel does and attempt to rebrand it because they can't accept who they are.

Maybe we just call it a holocaust? Seem more appropriate.

[Anonymous]

Do Americans even know that there are decades old resolutions passed in Congress that if there is ever an oil crisis, Israelis will get oil before Americans do?

What kind of delusional state must you be in to claim Israel is held to a higher standard? Israel itself will say that out loud, but they know America has diminished itself specifically to protect Israel from the type of accountability other countries have gotten punished for for much, much less.

Media framing this current situation as Iran "instigating." Do you purposely know you're lying to yourself when you believe that or just genuinely that out of it?

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Anonymous wrote:No, if Hamas and Hezbollah choose to secrete themselves into civilian neighborhoods, as they saying goes, "you get what you get".

The overwhelming Palestinian population has elected Hamas as the government of Gaza.

Really?
Is it not true that Hana’s was last elected nearly 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians were either unborn or else ineligible to vote? And didn’t Hamas fail to gain a plurality of the vote at that time, but instead assume power with the assistance of the Israeli government?

Boy, your command of the actual facts is really bad, even for a Zionist.

20 years ago? Why are you judging their electoral system by U.S. standards? it is what it is.

Better question: why are you insinuating that the innocents being slaughtered by Israel have themselves to blame?

Yes. This. We can go back and forth about he 2006 election but honestly does it matter? Clearly more than militants are being killed (and maimed and displaced don’t forget). I understand it’s hard to accept that Israel is this cruel, but it is. I find it sickening that a country whose people know suffering can inflict such harm on others. (Ps. I’m not an anti semite. I’m of Jewish descent and think my people must do better).

The Hamas militants are hiding among civilians and literally used hospitals and other civilian facilities to launch attacks on the IDF. They are thus equally culpable in the killings of civilians. It's extremely misleading to try and claim that EVERY civilian death is SOLELY the fault of the IDF and we are far past due an admission from pro-Palestinians of that.

Let's agree that Israel and Hamas have equal responsibility for the ongoing genocide. The leaders of both sides should be indicted on war crimes (has already happened) and the U.S. should follow U.S. law and stop supplying weapons to both sides. Of course, the U.S. does not supply weapons to Hamas so we can only stop providing weapons to Israel. But, this will meet your objection of not placing fault only on one side.

Does what is happening in Gaza fall under this definition? Isreal could have mowed the land there by now. Did it?
Definition of genocide by the U.N.
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Yes, Israel has killed members of the group, upwards of 40,000 of them. Yes, Israel has caused serious bodily and mental harm to members of the group. Yes, Israel is deliberately inflicting conditions on the group calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part — namely, it is striving Palestinians in northern Gaza at the moment. So, Israel is clearly 3 for 5 and only one is needed. Moreover, there are arguments that Israel has done the last two as well.

It's not only me saying this, but the International Court of Justice as well.

No, that's a common misconception. The IJC did not say that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

“a plausible risk of genocide”. Seems like it.

Yes Biden and the Republicans worked hard to intimidate the court. Proud to be an American!

Don’t forget our Secretary of State literally threatening the panel of judges.

What’s his deal? Ah, that’s right. Raging conflict of interest.

You're also supposed to pretend he didn't lie to Congress regarding the food aid being purposely kept from getting to Palestinians, probably because "Khamas" was hiding in the sacks of rice or whatever, but then "calorie restriction" was always a part of Israeli depravity.

[jsteele]

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff is an Orientalist; he cannot be objective about this topic.

Atrocities are committed on both sides; both sides use people as pawns and shields in this conflict. Why is nobody mentioning how many rockets Hezbollah fired over Yom Kippur?

Why are we holding Israel to a higher expectation and are outraged when they do not act with some high moral ground, but it is ok for Hamas and Hezbollah to be savage?
On that note, why is it barely news that rockets were fired at Israel, but we are all judging Israelis with a different lens?

I wrote a long post about how people are used and abused by those in power on both sides. Why are so many outraged only on behalf of Israel's actions?

I am not an Orientalist and I consider that label to be an insult. I assume that you consider yourself to be perfectly objective?

Hezbollah's rockets hit a military base and killed and wounded members of the Golani Brigade. Israel, however, bombed a Christian village in northern Lebanon:

The day that we provide equal funds and weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Israel will be the day that I hold them all to the same standard. But I don't think that objecting to my tax dollars being used to support genocide is out of line.

I do not consider it an insult. Why would you consider a branch of social studies an insult? Orientalism is a valid social science and a study of how those with power in the West and micro and macro societies label those they wish to Other in some way, usually for exploitation. Specifically, Orientalism, in its conception, refers to Muslims vs. Western Societies. Are you denying that you have a degree that strongly focuses on Orientalism?
Funny, I recall reading your post about your academic background, in which you stated that you studied Orientalism. Was it one course, and you think you are an expert? My fault then.
You are not objective at all about the conflict in the Middle East; like our Palestinian pp, you just bear teeth at anyone who questions your opinion on the matter. Now you are talking about your tax dollars, flip-flopping. You are way more than objecting to how your tax dollars are spent. Did you feel the same when the U.S. and NATO bombed a maternity hospital in Belgrade in order to "prevent" ethnic cleansing?

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:No, if Hamas and Hezbollah choose to secrete themselves into civilian neighborhoods, as they saying goes, "you get what you get".

The overwhelming Palestinian population has elected Hamas as the government of Gaza.

Really?
Is it not true that Hana’s was last elected nearly 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians were either unborn or else ineligible to vote? And didn’t Hamas fail to gain a plurality of the vote at that time, but instead assume power with the assistance of the Israeli government?

Boy, your command of the actual facts is really bad, even for a Zionist.

20 years ago? Why are you judging their electoral system by U.S. standards? it is what it is.

Better question: why are you insinuating that the innocents being slaughtered by Israel have themselves to blame?

Yes. This. We can go back and forth about he 2006 election but honestly does it matter? Clearly more than militants are being killed (and maimed and displaced don’t forget). I understand it’s hard to accept that Israel is this cruel, but it is. I find it sickening that a country whose people know suffering can inflict such harm on others. (Ps. I’m not an anti semite. I’m of Jewish descent and think my people must do better).

The Hamas militants are hiding among civilians and literally used hospitals and other civilian facilities to launch attacks on the IDF. They are thus equally culpable in the killings of civilians. It's extremely misleading to try and claim that EVERY civilian death is SOLELY the fault of the IDF and we are far past due an admission from pro-Palestinians of that.

Let's agree that Israel and Hamas have equal responsibility for the ongoing genocide. The leaders of both sides should be indicted on war crimes (has already happened) and the U.S. should follow U.S. law and stop supplying weapons to both sides. Of course, the U.S. does not supply weapons to Hamas so we can only stop providing weapons to Israel. But, this will meet your objection of not placing fault only on one side.

Ok... Suppose then the US stops supplying weapons. How does that stop Iran from supplying weapons, how does it stop Hamas and Hezbollah and others from attacking Israel?

Suppose Israel allows a two state solution, gives right of return and compensation to all Palestinians. This is the root cause. Everything else is arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Then they want to tell you that they're going to kill every Jew if given a nation. It's amazing how Zionists know the thoughts of every one of us Palestinians which is why they think we deserve to die alone being eaten by maggots in incubators. The instinct of Zionists is on full-display when shown people with IVs being burned alive: Nothing resembling humanity, just bleating "Oct 7" and some trying to justify burning alive children by claiming some gibberish about the Khamas.

What a wonderful way to defend "right to exist" and "defend itself"...by killing children with f***ing IV attached to them who were lucky enough to escape the first time. Israel is basically the "Final Destination" movies.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff is an Orientalist; he cannot be objective about this topic.

Atrocities are committed on both sides; both sides use people as pawns and shields in this conflict. Why is nobody mentioning how many rockets Hezbollah fired over Yom Kippur?

Why are we holding Israel to a higher expectation and are outraged when they do not act with some high moral ground, but it is ok for Hamas and Hezbollah to be savage?
On that note, why is it barely news that rockets were fired at Israel, but we are all judging Israelis with a different lens?

I wrote a long post about how people are used and abused by those in power on both sides. Why are so many outraged only on behalf of Israel's actions?

I am not an Orientalist and I consider that label to be an insult. I assume that you consider yourself to be perfectly objective?

Hezbollah's rockets hit a military base and killed and wounded members of the Golani Brigade. Israel, however, bombed a Christian village in northern Lebanon:

The day that we provide equal funds and weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Israel will be the day that I hold them all to the same standard. But I don't think that objecting to my tax dollars being used to support genocide is out of line.

I do not consider it an insult. Why would you consider a branch of social studies an insult? Orientalism is a valid social science and a study of how those with power in the West and micro and macro societies label those they wish to Other in some way, usually for exploitation. Specifically, Orientalism, in its conception, refers to Muslims vs. Western Societies. Are you denying that you have a degree that strongly focuses on Orientalism?
Funny, I recall reading your post about your academic background, in which you stated that you studied Orientalism. Was it one course, and you think you are an expert? My fault then.
You are not objective at all about the conflict in the Middle East; like our Palestinian pp, you just bear teeth at anyone who questions your opinion on the matter. Now you are talking about your tax dollars, flip-flopping. You are way more than objecting to how your tax dollars are spent. Did you feel the same when the U.S. and NATO bombed a maternity hospital in Belgrade in order to "prevent" ethnic cleansing?

The only thing that I have ever done that involved Orientalism is read Edward Said's book by that name. I suggest that you read it too so that you will stop insulting me with the label. I have no interest in "othering" Muslims, Arabs or anyone else. I studied the Middle East in order to learn about and understand the region. Also, what are you, 100 years old? Nobody calls Middle East Studies "Orientalism" anymore and haven't for decades.

Yes, I am biased. That doesn't mean that I am wrong. You are also biased. You refuse to admit it, but that doesn't make you right.

Of course I opposed the U.S. aggression in the Balkans. There was plenty of ethnic cleansing to go around in that conflict. But, the U.S. and NATO directly supported it in Kosovo. I was strongly opposed to that. But, you know what the U.S. did not do? Bomb every single hospital in Serbia. Israel has attacked every hospital in Gaza and has now started on hospitals in Lebanon. You can't even bring yourself to criticize it.

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Why are you deleting posts that press valid historical facts? If Hamas could, they would bomb every church in the world. They would kill every Christian in the world. They can’t but you can’t even bring yourself to criticize me, you who lives in your cushy place far from everything you are so vocal about. The hypocrisy of your disguist towards me, who is doing something daily to help those Israel displaces.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you deleting posts that press valid historical facts? If Hamas could, they would bomb every church in the world. They would kill every Christian in the world. They can’t but you can’t even bring yourself to criticize me, you who lives in your cushy place far from everything you are so vocal about. The hypocrisy of your disguist towards me, who is doing something daily to help those Israel displaces.

I am deleting posts that, like this one, are full of lies. Do you not know that one of the oldest churches in the world is in Gaza and Hamas never touched it? The Christian community lived there without issue until Israel attacked them. Hamas did not kill them as you claim they would have, but Israel has. You know who bombed that historic church? Israel. Not Hamas, Israel

You're not only ignorant about the Middle East, but proud of your ignorance. I have been saving you from embarrassment by removing your lie-filled posts.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you deleting posts that press valid historical facts? If Hamas could, they would bomb every church in the world. They would kill every Christian in the world. They can’t but you can’t even bring yourself to criticize me, you who lives in your cushy place far from everything you are so vocal about. The hypocrisy of your disguist towards me, who is doing something daily to help those Israel displaces.

I am deleting posts that, like this one, are full of lines. Do you not know that one of the oldest churches in the world is in Gaza and Hamas never touched it? The Christian community lived there without issue until Israel attacked them. Hamas did not kill them as you claim they would have, but Israel has. You know who bombed that historic church? Israel. Not Hamas, Israel

You're not only ignorant about the Middle East, but proud of your ignorance. I have been saving you from embarrassment by removing your lie-filled posts.

Do you want people who do not agree with you not to post here? They should just read and accept what they read here as instruction? You will lose visitors this way, which is not of benefit to your business. I hope you don't take this as a threat or an insult, but a heads up from those who appreciate this site.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you deleting posts that press valid historical facts? If Hamas could, they would bomb every church in the world. They would kill every Christian in the world. They can’t but you can’t even bring yourself to criticize me, you who lives in your cushy place far from everything you are so vocal about. The hypocrisy of your disguist towards me, who is doing something daily to help those Israel displaces.

I am deleting posts that, like this one, are full of lines. Do you not know that one of the oldest churches in the world is in Gaza and Hamas never touched it? The Christian community lived there without issue until Israel attacked them. Hamas did not kill them as you claim they would have, but Israel has. You know who bombed that historic church? Israel. Not Hamas, Israel

You're not only ignorant about the Middle East, but proud of your ignorance. I have been saving you from embarrassment by removing your lie-filled posts.

Do you want people who do not agree with you not to post here? They should just read and accept what they read here as instruction? You will lose visitors this way, which is not of benefit to your business. I hope you don't take this as a threat or an insult, but a heads up from those who appreciate this site.

I've been moderating this website the same way for 20 years. Thanks for your warning but I think the site has a few more years in it. Opinions are one thing, but making completely false statements does not benefit anyone. But, if you prefer lies and misinformation, I can recommend some websites that would be better suited for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you deleting posts that press valid historical facts? If Hamas could, they would bomb every church in the world. They would kill every Christian in the world. They can’t but you can’t even bring yourself to criticize me, you who lives in your cushy place far from everything you are so vocal about. The hypocrisy of your disguist towards me, who is doing something daily to help those Israel displaces.

Stop lying about Hamas and Christianity because you're a typical, uneducated person who just thinks every Muslim (I don't believe for a second you only think it's only Hamas) is ISIS. ISIS was protected by *ISRAEL* ISIS hates Hamas.

The third oldest church in Christendom stood there in Gaza with Christians celebrating Christmas every freaking year right up until ISRAEL hit it. The oldest churches in Christendom have stood in PALESTINE specifically because Muslims always protected them. You're lying to yourself because your bigotry dictates your "knowledge."

The keys to the Church of the Sepulcher have been held by the same MUSLIM family for 800 years because the Christian sects are always fighting among themselves and it was Muslims keeping the peace among them.

You're not educated enough on this because you just think something you saw under the Taliban applies to every Muslim. Stop repeating lies about Christianity in the Levant. You don't know anything about it. We're literal brethren. Even Hezbollah was what stood between ISIS and Christian persecution. You want to see persecution? Go to Israel's buddies in the gulf states. Those countries get nothing but disdain from Muslims and Christians in the Levant.