Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hezbollah = IRAN.

So what? How many times has Israel attacked Iran through direct attacks, assassinations, terrorist acts, etc. Hezbollah, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Palestinians etc all have a right to defend themselves. Israel is clearly the aggressor and problem in the Middle East.

Israel is so fanatical it would rather kill i its own people being held hostage in Gaza vs free them. The US is not going to war with Iran or anyone else for Israel.

Everyone else has a right to defend themselves except for Israel, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hezbollah = IRAN.

So what? How many times has Israel attacked Iran through direct attacks, assassinations, terrorist acts, etc. Hezbollah, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Palestinians etc all have a right to defend themselves. Israel is clearly the aggressor and problem in the Middle East.

Israel is so fanatical it would rather kill i its own people being held hostage in Gaza vs free them. The US is not going to war with Iran or anyone else for Israel.

Why don’t you show your support for Iran down at their embassy in D.C.?

- oh wait, they have no embassy . . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

Except if Israel is this sophisticated with weaponry and stealth supply chain warfare, then how did they let the Hamas massacre happen on their own land? Lends credence to the theory that they knew and let it happen so they'd have an excuse to go to war.

[Anonymous]

I have not read this thread I just came here to say that I used to generally support Israel. I now actively hate and loathe Israel and hope it is laid low. After Lebanon this week it is now a sponsor of state led terror. Period. The US must withdraw its support one and for all. And all those people who hold dual citizenship in America and Israel need to have their U.S. citizenship revoked and prohibited from traveling to the U.S.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this thread I just came here to say that I used to generally support Israel. I now actively hate and loathe Israel and hope it is laid low. After Lebanon this week it is now a sponsor of state led terror. Period. The US must withdraw its support one and for all. And all those people who hold dual citizenship in America and Israel need to have their U.S. citizenship revoked and prohibited from traveling to the U.S.

So you love Hezbollah. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

Sure, Jews have lived there - along with other indigenous people with just as much claim to the land.

But you? One of the many cretins from Poland or Russia or Ukraine who cosplay Jewish identity? GTFOH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

Sure, Jews have lived there - along with other indigenous people with just as much claim to the land.

But you? One of the many cretins from Poland or Russia or Ukraine who cosplay Jewish identity? GTFOH.

Excuse me what?! Cretins who cosplay Jewish identity?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Why is Hezbollah getting involved outside of lebanon they shouldn't be attacking other countries, not logical

The first rockets fired by Hezbollah on October 8th were not outside Lebanon. They were towards Israeli military positions in Shebaa Farms.

Shebaa Farms is considered by most of the world to be illegally occupied by Israel. It was captured from Syria in 1967, but both Lebanon and Syria consider it Lebanese territory.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-artillery-strikes-targets-in-lebanon-as-mortar-shells-fired-toward-israel/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/israel-hezbollah-exchange-fire-raising-regional-tensions

Why are they involved with a country outside of lebanon, they shouldn't be firing rockets to anyone and why is lebanon letting they stay in their country , this would be an act of war in all cases. Why do they get an exception?

Because Lebanon is an extremely complicated country with all sorts of religious and sectarian divisions. Lebanon is more or less a third Shi'a muslim, a third Sunni Muslim, and a third Maronite Christian. Some Eastern Orthodox and Druze too. The Muslim population tends to have many more children than the Christian population, which is an issue because the Constitution divides power among the various sects and denominations.

It's a mess.

The one thing most Lebanese will agree with though is that Hezbollah has been a disaster for Lebanon. It's an extremist Shi'a militant group that acts as an army for Iran. There is very little about Hezbollah that is acting in the interest of the Lebanese. It is effectively a foreign army and political faction that does the bidding of Iran. As a result of the military support from Iran - lots of weapons and training - it is stronger than the Lebanese Army. And Lebanon is always an inch away from another disastrous civil war.

Gaza and the Palestinians have very little to do with anything in Lebanon. The last time Lebanon was involved with Palestinians - the 1980s - was an absolute disaster for Lebanon.

I read the posts here and it's very clear that so many progressives are swimming in a river of ignorance. I would highly recommend slowing down and reading some books about the conflicts in the region.

If the urban Maronite and rich Sunnies didn't spit on the poor rural Shia in Lebanon, there wouldn't be a Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is a political party in Lebanon. It stands in elections and wins seats in the parliament. Deal. Aren't you for democracy?

I am totally for democracy.

I'm not sure how the Shi'a in Lebanon aligning with Iran helps anyone in Lebanon though. And I'd be grateful if someone from Lebanon could explain how Hezbollah taking over the south of the country and launching thousands of rockets at their neighbor helps anyone in Lebanon.

Seriously

No one in Lebanon supports a war - except Hezbollah.

You know very well how that's going to go. It will become a catastrophic civil war in two seconds. Never mind Israel. It's the dynamics within Lebanon that are going to be disastrous.

The Shi'a in Lebanon are playing a very dangerous game. It was unwise for Hezbollah to become an army for Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

Sure, Jews have lived there - along with other indigenous people with just as much claim to the land.

But you? One of the many cretins from Poland or Russia or Ukraine who cosplay Jewish identity? GTFOH.

if you look at history isreal should have more land but gave it back in exchange for peace but that was not honored :

During the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel had captured Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, roughly half of Syria's Golan Heights, and the territories of the West Bank which had been held by Jordan since 1948.[82]

On 19 June 1967, shortly after the Six-Day War, the Israeli government voted to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for a permanent peace settlement and a demilitarization of the returned territories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

Sure, Jews have lived there - along with other indigenous people with just as much claim to the land.

But you? One of the many cretins from Poland or Russia or Ukraine who cosplay Jewish identity? GTFOH.

if you look at history isreal should have more land but gave it back in exchange for peace but that was not honored :

During the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel had captured Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, roughly half of Syria's Golan Heights, and the territories of the West Bank which had been held by Jordan since 1948.[82]

On 19 June 1967, shortly after the Six-Day War, the Israeli government voted to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for a permanent peace settlement and a demilitarization of the returned territories.

Gave it back? Failure to give ALL OF IT back violates international law.

[Anonymous]

What is getting lost is that hezbalollah have been firing literally thousands of rockets NON STOP into Israel for a year. Over 150,000 people were moved out of the north. This is not an agree first move. This is a response move to try to make it stop. The coverage of this is insane.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Free speech really is alive and well. Good to see it back! I love America. I'm glad that despite the rhetoric from the political elite and the class of propagandists running cable news that people still have an outlet to speak bluntly about things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people act as though Palestinians had this unbroken historical record of being the people living in Israel, when the word “Palestine” was coined by the Romans to replace “Judah” when they conquered the Jewish kingdom that was there.

Muslims didn’t move to Israel until the 600s, when the Islamic Caliphate conquered the land. Jews were still there and had been living under Roman rule. Then they lived under Muslim rule.

But let me be clear: Jews have always been there. Always.

Thank you.

The political class in Israel has as much of a legitimate claim to that land as Barney the Dinosaur. FFS, open your eyes. Compare the pasty visages you see when you think of Behin, Meir, Rabin, Sharon, and now Netanyahu, with ANYONE else around those parts.

The people at the controls of the Palestinian genocide have zero claim that wouldn’t be laughed out of a 9th grade biology class.

WTF are you rambling about?

Jews have always lived there. Sorry. It’s just a fact.

Sure, Jews have lived there - along with other indigenous people with just as much claim to the land.

But you? One of the many cretins from Poland or Russia or Ukraine who cosplay Jewish identity? GTFOH.

if you look at history isreal should have more land but gave it back in exchange for peace but that was not honored :

During the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel had captured Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, roughly half of Syria's Golan Heights, and the territories of the West Bank which had been held by Jordan since 1948.[82]

On 19 June 1967, shortly after the Six-Day War, the Israeli government voted to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for a permanent peace settlement and a demilitarization of the returned territories.

Right. You mean the war where Israel preemptively struck even though it was clear to multiple intelligence agencies that there was no real threat to Israel at the time?