Lebanon / Israel

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.

Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.

Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.

That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.

Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.

Let's go back to July 22, 1946 when the terrorist Zionists bombed the King David hotel - pretending to be Arabs in hopes that the British Military would vacate... Then let us ask ourselves what other atrocities and lies we may have missed...

We could even go back further into the early 1900s when Jews moved to Palestinian lands often times taking their land and houses by force. You know, because God said they could. Since He “chose” them over everyone else.

It was never sovereign Palestinian land. There has never been a sovereign Palestine.

It was never sovereign Jewish land in the modern world order either you twat. Say what you want about Moses and what not, but if something happened before the Greeks defined modern Western philosophy, your argument will fall on deaf ears.

Say what I want about Moses?

It’s a historical fact that the Kingdom of Judea was where Israel is. Has nothing to do with Moses.

The Romans conquered it and the Jews fought back over and over until finally most of them were kicked out and forced to live in exile.

Many Jews lived under brutal Roman and Arab rule. Read about the dhimmi — it was Arabs oppressing Jews all over the Middle East.

So then the Jews finally claim their native land and you tell them to GTFO.

Again, IDGAF about what happened 100 generations ago. The world is a completely different place now than it was then. We can not and should not make decisions about how to fix modern problems by focusing on ancient history...

Jews have always lived in Israel. Always. Just under the rule of Romans, then the Islamic Caliphate, then the Ottomans … always living under someone else.

Perhaps, they need to be under someone else. Otherwise, they seem to bomb everyone else to pieces. Maybe Iran should take over, so there can be peace in the region.

WTAF?!

Get gone. World wars always seem to follow the Jewish state wherever it goes. Is it any surprise that WW3 is starting in Israel and in Ukraine with Zelenskyy at the helm? These are facts - not antisemitism.

Wait …. World wars follow Jews? We’ve had 2 world wars.

WWI Jews weren’t involved

WWII Jews were systematically killed.

Hahaha. You must have only read American textbooks.... You failed to see the financing behind the two great wars, as well as the terms under which Germany surrendered.

Jews financed a war where 6 million of them were killed?

Nah. They financed WWI. They were then punished for doing so in WWII

Does that "fact" come from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Or Mein Kampf?
You seem to be conversant with both.

My guess is Mein Kampf, considering Hitler absolutely blamed the Jews for WWI.

Nice to know we have an honest to god neo Nazi here.

By this logic, I am not only a neo Nazi, but aslo much much more...

I am also a Zionist for I have read Herzl's papers.

I am an American Revolutionary for I've read the declaration of Independence.

I am a Staunch communist for I've read the communist manifesto.

I am also a Jew as I've read the Torah and a christian as I've read the gospel.

I'm even poor orphan boy for I have read Oliver Twist.

The list goes on and on and on....

Your logic is nonsensical. Perhaps if you read a bit more, you too, could start to see through the industrial capitalist lies that plague your existence on this earth.

There’s a difference between reading something and spouting it off as though it’s fact.

That’s what you’ve done with Mein Kampf.

Nah - just ask Chat GPT about Jewish financing of WWI and the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler didn't pull this stuff out of nowhere...

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.

Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.

Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.

That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.

Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.

Let's go back to July 22, 1946 when the terrorist Zionists bombed the King David hotel - pretending to be Arabs in hopes that the British Military would vacate... Then let us ask ourselves what other atrocities and lies we may have missed...

We could even go back further into the early 1900s when Jews moved to Palestinian lands often times taking their land and houses by force. You know, because God said they could. Since He “chose” them over everyone else.

It was never sovereign Palestinian land. There has never been a sovereign Palestine.

At that time it was under British colonial occupation. The “West” has been f**king with that part of the world for many decades. They helped create the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians who were living on that land for centuries.

Jews were living there too. You people always forget that. Jews never actually left. Some did, but not all.

I suppose those people may have a claim to that space. By those people, I do not mean anyone identifying as Jewish. I mean those actual people that are long dead and buried... You as the 100th great grandson of some guy who lived in Israel before modern society had formed have as much of a right to that land as a koala bear or perhaps a Kangaroo.

Once again: Jews have always been there. You seem to believe Jews lived there and then all left when the Romans conquered Judah.

Some did, but many did not.

There has been an unbroken history of Jews living in Israel/Palestine.

And yet, every Jew (a group of people that we're supposed to treat as a non monolithic group in all circumstances, except in their right to have that particular plot of land in the middle east?) is therefore not entitled to land there. There were many who left and have been gone for a long, long time. No reason to think those individuals have a claim to that land over the Palestinian people living there currently. This is what is wrong with settlements. It's not complicated, so please don't make it so by providing antiquated facts of history that are no longer relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Qatar Airways announced no walkie talkies or pagers on flights out of Lebanon https://x.com/qatarairways/status/1836782990715666674?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

Cell phones next?

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s another article about Arab killings of Jews in Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel:

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Here’s a quote from that link:

In the nineteenth century, a great many accounts of Jewish life in Arab-Muslim lands reveal a condition characterized primarily by contempt. In 1910, a Western traveler to Yemen4 wrote: “The Jew is the beast on whom one beats at any time, for no reason, to calm one’s nerves, to appease one’s anger”. Between Jews and Arab-Muslims, coexistence is fragile, and remains at the mercy of the slightest incident, especially when Jews forget what Muslim society calls “their sense of humility”. Codified violence keeps everyone in their place, at the risk of being accompanied by the spilling of blood.

Based on a study of the archives of Islamic courts in Palestine, Israeli historian Amnon Cohen reconstructs the reality of the condition of Jewish dhimmis before the beginnings of Zionism, based on legal and administrative sources spanning almost six hundred years, from the Prophet to Saladin in the XIIth century. These documents attest to the fact that the so-called “Pact of Umar”, i.e. the codification of the dhimma, “had retained for many generations an indisputable character”. However, contrary to its official name, the “Pact of Umar” is not a treaty signed between two parties. It was not the subject of negotiation, but a constraint exerted on subjugated populations.

Like the constraints Israel exerts on Palestinians today? And on "Israeli Arabs" after the partition?

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Why is Hezbollah getting involved outside of lebanon they shouldn't be attacking other countries, not logical

The first rockets fired by Hezbollah on October 8th were not outside Lebanon. They were towards Israeli military positions in Shebaa Farms.

Shebaa Farms is considered by most of the world to be illegally occupied by Israel. It was captured from Syria in 1967, but both Lebanon and Syria consider it Lebanese territory.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-artillery-strikes-targets-in-lebanon-as-mortar-shells-fired-toward-israel/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/israel-hezbollah-exchange-fire-raising-regional-tensions

Let’s be clear: Hezbollah wants to eradicate Israel. In that sense, they have common cause with a lot of people in the USA, including on this board.

Really, what you want to say is that Israel ought to be able to expropriate or annex surrounding land, expelling the natives in the process. And if you resist this, you're a terrorist.

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Many Palestinians today have DNA from the ancient Hebrews

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.

Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.

Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.

That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.

Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.

Let's go back to July 22, 1946 when the terrorist Zionists bombed the King David hotel - pretending to be Arabs in hopes that the British Military would vacate... Then let us ask ourselves what other atrocities and lies we may have missed...

We could even go back further into the early 1900s when Jews moved to Palestinian lands often times taking their land and houses by force. You know, because God said they could. Since He “chose” them over everyone else.

It was never sovereign Palestinian land. There has never been a sovereign Palestine.

At that time it was under British colonial occupation. The “West” has been f**king with that part of the world for many decades. They helped create the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians who were living on that land for centuries.

Jews were living there too. You people always forget that. Jews never actually left. Some did, but not all.

I suppose those people may have a claim to that space. By those people, I do not mean anyone identifying as Jewish. I mean those actual people that are long dead and buried... You as the 100th great grandson of some guy who lived in Israel before modern society had formed have as much of a right to that land as a koala bear or perhaps a Kangaroo.

Once again: Jews have always been there. You seem to believe Jews lived there and then all left when the Romans conquered Judah.

Some did, but many did not.

There has been an unbroken history of Jews living in Israel/Palestine.

And yet, every Jew (a group of people that we're supposed to treat as a non monolithic group in all circumstances, except in their right to have that particular plot of land in the middle east?) is therefore not entitled to land there. There were many who left and have been gone for a long, long time. No reason to think those individuals have a claim to that land over the Palestinian people living there currently. This is what is wrong with settlements. It's not complicated, so please don't make it so by providing antiquated facts of history that are no longer relevant.

The unbroken history of Jews there is no more antiquated than the history of Arabs there.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Why is Hezbollah getting involved outside of lebanon they shouldn't be attacking other countries, not logical

The first rockets fired by Hezbollah on October 8th were not outside Lebanon. They were towards Israeli military positions in Shebaa Farms.

Shebaa Farms is considered by most of the world to be illegally occupied by Israel. It was captured from Syria in 1967, but both Lebanon and Syria consider it Lebanese territory.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-artillery-strikes-targets-in-lebanon-as-mortar-shells-fired-toward-israel/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/israel-hezbollah-exchange-fire-raising-regional-tensions

Why are they involved with a country outside of lebanon, they shouldn't be firing rockets to anyone and why is lebanon letting they stay in their country , this would be an act of war in all cases. Why do they get an exception?

Because Lebanon is an extremely complicated country with all sorts of religious and sectarian divisions. Lebanon is more or less a third Shi'a muslim, a third Sunni Muslim, and a third Maronite Christian. Some Eastern Orthodox and Druze too. The Muslim population tends to have many more children than the Christian population, which is an issue because the Constitution divides power among the various sects and denominations.

It's a mess.

The one thing most Lebanese will agree with though is that Hezbollah has been a disaster for Lebanon. It's an extremist Shi'a militant group that acts as an army for Iran. There is very little about Hezbollah that is acting in the interest of the Lebanese. It is effectively a foreign army and political faction that does the bidding of Iran. As a result of the military support from Iran - lots of weapons and training - it is stronger than the Lebanese Army. And Lebanon is always an inch away from another disastrous civil war.

Gaza and the Palestinians have very little to do with anything in Lebanon. The last time Lebanon was involved with Palestinians - the 1980s - was an absolute disaster for Lebanon.

I read the posts here and it's very clear that so many progressives are swimming in a river of ignorance. I would highly recommend slowing down and reading some books about the conflicts in the region.

If the urban Maronite and rich Sunnies didn't spit on the poor rural Shia in Lebanon, there wouldn't be a Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is a political party in Lebanon. It stands in elections and wins seats in the parliament. Deal. Aren't you for democracy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many Palestinians today have DNA from the ancient Hebrews

Why do you think that is? It’s because Jews predated Muslims.

Jews and Arabs are BOTH indigenous to the land.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Why is Hezbollah getting involved outside of lebanon they shouldn't be attacking other countries, not logical

The first rockets fired by Hezbollah on October 8th were not outside Lebanon. They were towards Israeli military positions in Shebaa Farms.

Shebaa Farms is considered by most of the world to be illegally occupied by Israel. It was captured from Syria in 1967, but both Lebanon and Syria consider it Lebanese territory.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-artillery-strikes-targets-in-lebanon-as-mortar-shells-fired-toward-israel/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/israel-hezbollah-exchange-fire-raising-regional-tensions

Let’s be clear: Hezbollah wants to eradicate Israel. In that sense, they have common cause with a lot of people in the USA, including on this board.

Really, what you want to say is that Israel ought to be able to expropriate or annex surrounding land, expelling the natives in the process. And if you resist this, you're a terrorist.

Umm … can you read? When did I say that?

[Anonymous]

Hezbollah = IRAN.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s another article about Arab killings of Jews in Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel:

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Here’s a quote from that link:

In the nineteenth century, a great many accounts of Jewish life in Arab-Muslim lands reveal a condition characterized primarily by contempt. In 1910, a Western traveler to Yemen4 wrote: “The Jew is the beast on whom one beats at any time, for no reason, to calm one’s nerves, to appease one’s anger”. Between Jews and Arab-Muslims, coexistence is fragile, and remains at the mercy of the slightest incident, especially when Jews forget what Muslim society calls “their sense of humility”. Codified violence keeps everyone in their place, at the risk of being accompanied by the spilling of blood.

Based on a study of the archives of Islamic courts in Palestine, Israeli historian Amnon Cohen reconstructs the reality of the condition of Jewish dhimmis before the beginnings of Zionism, based on legal and administrative sources spanning almost six hundred years, from the Prophet to Saladin in the XIIth century. These documents attest to the fact that the so-called “Pact of Umar”, i.e. the codification of the dhimma, “had retained for many generations an indisputable character”. However, contrary to its official name, the “Pact of Umar” is not a treaty signed between two parties. It was not the subject of negotiation, but a constraint exerted on subjugated populations.

Like the constraints Israel exerts on Palestinians today? And on "Israeli Arabs" after the partition?

Whataboutism … the deflecting is unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.

Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.

Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.

That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.

Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.

Let's go back to July 22, 1946 when the terrorist Zionists bombed the King David hotel - pretending to be Arabs in hopes that the British Military would vacate... Then let us ask ourselves what other atrocities and lies we may have missed...

We could even go back further into the early 1900s when Jews moved to Palestinian lands often times taking their land and houses by force. You know, because God said they could. Since He “chose” them over everyone else.

It was never sovereign Palestinian land. There has never been a sovereign Palestine.

At that time it was under British colonial occupation. The “West” has been f**king with that part of the world for many decades. They helped create the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians who were living on that land for centuries.

Jews were living there too. You people always forget that. Jews never actually left. Some did, but not all.

I suppose those people may have a claim to that space. By those people, I do not mean anyone identifying as Jewish. I mean those actual people that are long dead and buried... You as the 100th great grandson of some guy who lived in Israel before modern society had formed have as much of a right to that land as a koala bear or perhaps a Kangaroo.

Once again: Jews have always been there. You seem to believe Jews lived there and then all left when the Romans conquered Judah.

Some did, but many did not.

There has been an unbroken history of Jews living in Israel/Palestine.

Not PP, but you are not entirely accurate.

Yes, Jews have lived in the region.

Some stayed and remained practicing the faith.

Others converted to Islam.

Others left.

Others were killed.

None of that distracts from the fact that Israel has slaughtered over 20K civilians in Gaza (if we can believe their count on killed militants), hundreds in the West Bank, and now has injured hundreds in Lebanon with remote detonation.

To me it is not at all clear who is the terrorist,

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Anonymous wrote:Hezbollah = IRAN.

So what? How many times has Israel attacked Iran through direct attacks, assassinations, terrorist acts, etc. Hezbollah, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Palestinians etc all have a right to defend themselves. Israel is clearly the aggressor and problem in the Middle East.

Israel is so fanatical it would rather kill i its own people being held hostage in Gaza vs free them. The US is not going to war with Iran or anyone else for Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.

This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.

Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.

Yes, war sucks.

Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.

That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.

I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.

The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/

Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.

Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.

Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.

That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.

Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.

Let's go back to July 22, 1946 when the terrorist Zionists bombed the King David hotel - pretending to be Arabs in hopes that the British Military would vacate... Then let us ask ourselves what other atrocities and lies we may have missed...

We could even go back further into the early 1900s when Jews moved to Palestinian lands often times taking their land and houses by force. You know, because God said they could. Since He “chose” them over everyone else.

It was never sovereign Palestinian land. There has never been a sovereign Palestine.

At that time it was under British colonial occupation. The “West” has been f**king with that part of the world for many decades. They helped create the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians who were living on that land for centuries.

Jews were living there too. You people always forget that. Jews never actually left. Some did, but not all.

I suppose those people may have a claim to that space. By those people, I do not mean anyone identifying as Jewish. I mean those actual people that are long dead and buried... You as the 100th great grandson of some guy who lived in Israel before modern society had formed have as much of a right to that land as a koala bear or perhaps a Kangaroo.

Once again: Jews have always been there. You seem to believe Jews lived there and then all left when the Romans conquered Judah.

Some did, but many did not.

There has been an unbroken history of Jews living in Israel/Palestine.

Not PP, but you are not entirely accurate.

Yes, Jews have lived in the region.

Some stayed and remained practicing the faith.

Others converted to Islam.

Others left.

Others were killed.

None of that distracts from the fact that Israel has slaughtered over 20K civilians in Gaza (if we can believe their count on killed militants), hundreds in the West Bank, and now has injured hundreds in Lebanon with remote detonation.

To me it is not at all clear who is the terrorist,

Is it not accurate or is it that you are unwilling to acknowledge the history of Jews in the Middle East without talking about the current Israeli government?

Oh and calling Israel a terrorist state because they launched an attack against a terrorist group.