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I think it’s okay to acknowledge some degree of luck here. The numbers are so so high for these age groups.

I appreciated her post and what she was trying to say.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

There is no question that there will be lots of scurrying and waitlist spots opening tomorrow at 10:01pm.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s okay to acknowledge some degree of luck here. The numbers are so so high for these age groups.

I appreciated her post and what she was trying to say.

Thank you for understanding it.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

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* Their practices would be too far away. (Correcting myself)

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

Definitely going to look into them for this coming summer. Don't know why we didn't last summer, we knew a player who was great and told really interesting details of how they handle team dynamics that really impressed us.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

Definitely going to look into them for this coming summer. Don't know why we didn't last summer, we knew a player who was great and told really interesting details of how they handle team dynamics that really impressed us.

We were on their rec league this fall and my DD made it into their Division 6. Those few weeks were better than any tournament we've been to. With a few exceptions, the teams were really well balanced: it was hard to predict how any of the games would end. I was hoping that Division 6 may mean a better chance to make a team, but it didn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

Definitely going to look into them for this coming summer. Don't know why we didn't last summer, we knew a player who was great and told really interesting details of how they handle team dynamics that really impressed us.

We were on their rec league this fall and my DD made it into their Division 6. Those few weeks were better than any tournament we've been to. With a few exceptions, the teams were really well balanced: it was hard to predict how any of the games would end. I was hoping that Division 6 may mean a better chance to make a team, but it didn't happen.

As a parent observer for MVSA's rec league, Division 6, I did see a lot of balance in terms of overall teams and do agree that one couldn't quite tell how matches would turn out. At the same time, even within teams, one can see that the balance generally meant a spectrum of skill levels for the individual players and their respective roles (DS, setting, hitting, blocking as middle). My DD likes to see areas she can improve on.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

Height matters for sure but my DD is only 5’2” and made it in (not as libero) and while she’s good, shes not outstanding. She is not consistent with her serves and hits, but she has a great reach and vertical and she moves fast. She also has a great personality that shines on court. These are definitely soft skills your DD can work on and hopefully try again next year.

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Anonymous wrote:Monday Morning and my experienced u15 with two years of club under her belt and who went to 5 tryouts has zero offers. She’s shattered. She isn’t a rec level player. We don’t understand what happened.

I keep telling my DD that it doesn't really matter what you do at practice, what really matters is what you do outside practice. These words of wisdom are not mine: I heard them one way or another from the mouths of experienced coaches. Club experience is irrelevant if all you do is show up at practice and tournaments. There are many players who work hard during practice, then go home and work even harder. The extra hours will eventually pay off because it will show in the way you move on the court. These are the players who really want to play volleyball and they will squeeze out those who simply show up for the social aspect (have fun with friends). All the players who are now left hanging need to understand that it will be even harder to make a team during the next season. My DD seems to have finally realized that this is the case, but I am still not sure if she is willing to put in the effort.

Our experience has been different. DD who is still in HS (also have a vball-playing older sister now in college) doesn't do more outside of practice and games (during high school season) and practice and tournaments (during club season). She really doesn't do anything more, and she's good, she's very good, but to watch from the sidelines at tryouts to me she's not an obvious "OMG she's a superstar!" type. She's good, but so are so many other girls. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen this past weekend because to me she looked good but I wasn't sure she was standing out. But she did get an offer at each tryout (well 2 offers and 1 "We are close to making you an offer but where do we rank in your choices?" which ended that offer because she was honest).

Point being, for both of our DDs (older DD in college now but when she was in middle & high school playing vball), neither of them did much outside of practices and games/tournaments. And both always got an offer, as did many of their "not doing extra" friends. I'm NOT saying "So you must be doing something wrong"; I'm just saying it may be way more of a crap shoot than about extra effort because actually, neither my DD's nor most of their friends do more outside of their school season and club season. They are very serious about playing, but they aren't out doing a million extra practices and clinics and going to pre-tryout clinics for every club they want to try out for. And they both looked good but not great and btw neither are taller than 5'7".

Is this some sort of humble brag trying to make us feel worse? What is the point of this?

No, it's not a humble brag. It's saying our experience was not that only girls who do more outside of practices and tournaments get offers. DD also wasn't pre-selected, didn't go in known.

I said it because it's also important NOT to have a bunch of girls who already do more thinking they still haven't "done enough more". Some of this feels like luck of the draw, and that's what our experience has felt like, so I was just pointing out that it was different and we know others who had similar experiences. We also know many who were shut out, a favorite player from DD's club team last year who is amazing (we watched her at her school this fall) and she was shut out. It sucks completely and we have no idea how that happened. It just seems like more chance than being all about invite-only clinics and practicing every single waking moment.

It was a humble brag: my daughters don’t do any outside training but are so naturally good, so very good, that they get offers. So because of my tall, naturally talented daughters who always have gotten offers you could too!!!!

Your post was awful. Read the room.

I did read the room, and apologized for the way my post sounded. And my daughters are not "naturally talented"- they worked their asses off in practices. My point was that someone made a declaration that didn't apply to many girls we've known: there are girls who didn't do all the extras and got offers, and sometimes we were all really surprised or confused about it. We've known incredible players that didn't get offers, and good but not great ones who did. I may have said it badly or come off badly, but 7 combined years of playing DMV club volleyball means we've seen a lot. You don't have to like this observation, but when one of the best players from DD's team last year didn't get any offers in this round and she is sooooo beyond great, no one understands it. There's a level of random in some of this and it felt important to point that part of our experiences out.

No commentary on whether the post was tone deaf, but when starters or very good players from a team don't get offers the next year, there is sometimes more going on than what you see on the court. Are the parents constantly pestering the coach/club director about playing time or other issues? Sometimes clubs don't bring players back because of how parents behaved in the prior season. Did they pay all of their club fees last season? Many clubs allow for parents to make payments on a plan with future dated checks - I've heard of situations where parents "forget" to bring the checks and the club lets the kid continue playing without payment. Most club contracts state that a player will be suspended for nonpayment, but some club directors don't like to do that to kids and end up eating those costs. Did the player tryout for other clubs and the old club found out about it? This one is awful and petty, but I have heard of clubs not offering girls if they find out they were going to clinics or tried out at other clubs because of some perceived lack of loyalty.

For everyone still waiting, keep in mind that offers out to other players expire tomorrow at 10pm, so hopefully the floodgates of offers will open for you.

If your club does this to your player, simply run away. I really appreciated how MVSA approached the issue this year: they encouraged all players to go to multiple tryouts. They mentioned that their goal is to have as many girls play volleyball as possible. They are aware that they can only take 30 players per age group, so they want all the players to have options in case they don't get an MVSA offer.

I absolutely love everything I've heard about MVSA. They seem to operate with transparency and integrity, and they have great coaches from what I hear. It's too bad that even if DD could get on a team (which is doubtful), they're practices would be too far away for us to ever make it work.

We try to take advantage of every opportunity that MVSA offers (like summer clinics and rec leagues). You can't beat their prices and - with a few exceptions - the coaching quality is outstanding. We were hoping to play for them, but each tryout is harder than the next: this year we got that dreaded email to not show up for the second day. The writing is pretty much on the wall because the girls showing up for tryouts are taller every year. My DD is just below the US average height for her age, so she would need outstanding skills to compete with the height (and skills) of the other players.

Height matters for sure but my DD is only 5’2” and made it in (not as libero) and while she’s good, shes not outstanding. She is not consistent with her serves and hits, but she has a great reach and vertical and she moves fast. She also has a great personality that shines on court. These are definitely soft skills your DD can work on and hopefully try again next year.

I think the age group matters a lot when you talk about a 5'2" player. That height might not look as bad in the 12s age group as in the older age groups. If you start with MVSA at an early age, you have an advantage as a returner with a great attitude. An outsider needs to be considerably better to get an offer on your spot.

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Volleyball Jump Clinic in Tysons on Monday November 11th!

https://www.perfect-performancenova.com/sports-performance-camps.html

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Anonymous wrote:MOCO and Metro aren't forming teams for 17u this year. This may have added to the number of girls that can play down to 16u because of their birthday. Especially if they did make the 18u team.

Metro historically has only done 17 Travel and 17 North, which seems to be what they're doing this year. South, Central, and East haven't had a dedicated 17s teams in years (if ever) so that's not new.

I think MOCO had advertised a 17s team this year, but perhaps they didn't have enough girls tryout. MOCO didn't do 16s last year because when Coach Amy left to start Academy much of the team went with her so they ended up pulling most of the 16s that decided to stay with MOCO to last year's 17s team.

Coach Amy definitely targeted many private HS to build her next teams. SJC being a main one for 16's.

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The Gaithersburg league is a pretty good place to start in volleyball: I am surprised they still have spots left for their winter leagues (December 8, 2024 to February 23, 2025):
https://anc.apm.activecommunities.com/gaithersburgmd/activity/search?onlineSiteId=0&locale=en-US&days_of_week=0000000&activity_select_param=2&season_ids=54&activity_keyword=volleyball&viewMode=list