Anyone following the viral Harvard University *Extension School* controversy?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

Hilarious. What a clown.

Yes, at this point I think many of us are aware that Harvard is no longer deserving of the prestige it used to have. Very clownish.

Like I’ve said for the entire thread. HES is Harvard. An ALM from Harvard is truthfully and correctly described as a masters degree from Harvard.

So out in the open then: that more than anything, what it takes is money.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

Hilarious. What a clown.

Yes, at this point I think many of us are aware that Harvard is no longer deserving of the prestige it used to have. Very clownish.

Like I’ve said for the entire thread. HES is Harvard. An ALM from Harvard is truthfully and correctly described as a masters degree from Harvard.

So out in the open then: that more than anything, what it takes is money.

Money is all it ever takes.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

She’s still posting non-apology apologies:

https://x.com/jenniferhochsc2/status/1746099757766824374?s=61&t=0L5nhzrbcJwFfJRjPVpsvA

On this maelstrom, mainly to HES students/staff: I regret that you got dragged into a dispute with nothing to do with you, that caused distress.I endorse and admire HES’s promotion of an inclusive, engaged, ambitious student body. I'm sorry my writing seemed to suggest otherwise.

That’s because she owes no one an apology for her characterizations. She was very complimentary of the HES and teaches in it. She also very clearly said it isn’t to be confused with the real thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares?? Gay is thankfully out and it has NOTHING to do with her race. You really need to stop it already.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire thing was motivated by grievances over DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does someone have a bee in their bonnet over what school from Harvard the degree comes from? How you get in matters less than what you do while there and what you do when you leave. The degree itself is just paper. It’s evidence that you have acquired a specific body of knowledge. Harvard’s administration seems just fine with certifying that its Extension School conveys the appropriate knowledge and skills in its degree programs. So much so that it grants the recipients all the same rights and distinctions as any other alumni, including stamping the degree with its seal.

Someone here seems weirdly concerned with Harvard’s reputation for reasons that seem to have nothing to do with academics.

Have you not read the thread? The issue is hypocrisy over academic integrity. HES is open enrollment. The other schools are highly selective. If you don’t understand the difference in cohort quality and achievement associated with each form of matriculation you are either ridiculously dim or deliberately obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:We know he took the back door. He knows it. Harvard Lite.

Pathetic.

Harvard is selling out, that's what's pathetic. Cheapening their own brand.

Naw. It’s the representation on his part. He knows he didn’t do the real Harvard. He did Harvard Lite. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. Just don’t represent it like you did the full Harvard.

Look if you know people like this you can figure out with a few questions what kind of program they actually did. Then you know what they know.

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What's not understood? If you know people who say they went to Harvard and you ask what they studied, you will find out what program. If you think a degree from the extension school is "Harvard Lite" then you can sneer at them that it wasn't "the full Harvard." It's not a secret. I know people who have done these courses and they don't try to pretend it's anything else but they do say then went to Harvard (even if it was all online).

I can't imagine saying "I went to Harvard" if my degree was from the extension school. Look, the real sure way to know that someone went to Harvard is if they tell you they went to school in Boston.

Maybe I just hold myself to higher standards.

The people I know with these degrees have many degrees from lots of schools. They just decide to further learning in an area of interest, but they already have what you would consider full degrees from prestigious universities. They have law degrees, MBAs, etc but they wanted another notch in their belt, it's not really a big deal since it's not the only degree they have.

For folks going on and on about merit, this seems to be a fairly weak answer and an ambiguous standard.

Who do you think gets these degrees? It's usually older people who already have at least one degree or more already. Such as Rufo. Where would the con be? Arguably these degrees don't really offer much benefit to the students. Can you really change careers after a short course?

so all good with misrepresenting here, but not when other folks (allegedly) do it? Is that the standard?

What has been misrepresented? He has a degree from Harvard. You may just not be very impressed with it.

He has a graduate degree from the Extension School. When someone receives a graduate degree from Harvard, it is from a specific school @ Harvard, not from generic Harvard University.

It's still part of the university, even if you wish it wasn't.

Right. It is Harvard Extension School. I read a lot of CVs. Folks don't list "Master's Degree, Harvard University," they list the degree, the school issuing it, then Harvard University. IYKYK.

Or maybe that's the reason why some of these folks are at the extension school - they can't follow directions.

Ok, show us where Rufo's resume had this listed.

NP. Given the type of work he does, I don't know exactly what kind of "resume" he has (I'm just a regular guy with a normal job, I've never been a "Senior Fellow"), but he definitely lists it simply as "Harvard University" on his bios for the various groups he works with and where he's published:

https://manhattan.institute/person/christopher-f-rufo
https://christopherrufo.com/about
https://www.city-journal.org/person/christopher-f-rufo
https://www.ncf.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/

So not resumes just informal bios. And people really care about this?

He's a public figure. "Informal" bios are how he's introduced to the public not resumes. Personally, I think people should represent themselves honestly, so yeah I do care.

Especially when the person has put in a lot of effort to pointing out others' honesty or lack thereof.

Again, where is the lie?

I realize you are completely blind to the bad faith behavior of all right wing provocateurs like Rufo. But really? Are you this dumb?

Have you ever mocked Jill Biden for using “Dr.” as her title? Asking for a friend.

Biden has an Ed.D. from the University of Delaware so she can correctly call herself Dr.

Many right-wing provocateurs will tell you Ed.D isn’t as rigorous as a PhD program and so using the honorific is dubious and misleading.

I actually wonder if Rufo has ever said that.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares?? Gay is thankfully out and it has NOTHING to do with her race. You really need to stop it already.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire thing was motivated by grievances over DEI.

There’s no defending her. Even she knows this and resigned.

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Anonymous wrote:We know he took the back door. He knows it. Harvard Lite.

Pathetic.

Harvard is selling out, that's what's pathetic. Cheapening their own brand.

Naw. It’s the representation on his part. He knows he didn’t do the real Harvard. He did Harvard Lite. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. Just don’t represent it like you did the full Harvard.

Look if you know people like this you can figure out with a few questions what kind of program they actually did. Then you know what they know.

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What's not understood? If you know people who say they went to Harvard and you ask what they studied, you will find out what program. If you think a degree from the extension school is "Harvard Lite" then you can sneer at them that it wasn't "the full Harvard." It's not a secret. I know people who have done these courses and they don't try to pretend it's anything else but they do say then went to Harvard (even if it was all online).

I can't imagine saying "I went to Harvard" if my degree was from the extension school. Look, the real sure way to know that someone went to Harvard is if they tell you they went to school in Boston.

Maybe I just hold myself to higher standards.

The people I know with these degrees have many degrees from lots of schools. They just decide to further learning in an area of interest, but they already have what you would consider full degrees from prestigious universities. They have law degrees, MBAs, etc but they wanted another notch in their belt, it's not really a big deal since it's not the only degree they have.

For folks going on and on about merit, this seems to be a fairly weak answer and an ambiguous standard.

Who do you think gets these degrees? It's usually older people who already have at least one degree or more already. Such as Rufo. Where would the con be? Arguably these degrees don't really offer much benefit to the students. Can you really change careers after a short course?

so all good with misrepresenting here, but not when other folks (allegedly) do it? Is that the standard?

What has been misrepresented? He has a degree from Harvard. You may just not be very impressed with it.

He has a graduate degree from the Extension School. When someone receives a graduate degree from Harvard, it is from a specific school @ Harvard, not from generic Harvard University.

It's still part of the university, even if you wish it wasn't.

Right. It is Harvard Extension School. I read a lot of CVs. Folks don't list "Master's Degree, Harvard University," they list the degree, the school issuing it, then Harvard University. IYKYK.

Or maybe that's the reason why some of these folks are at the extension school - they can't follow directions.

Ok, show us where Rufo's resume had this listed.

NP. Given the type of work he does, I don't know exactly what kind of "resume" he has (I'm just a regular guy with a normal job, I've never been a "Senior Fellow"), but he definitely lists it simply as "Harvard University" on his bios for the various groups he works with and where he's published:

https://manhattan.institute/person/christopher-f-rufo
https://christopherrufo.com/about
https://www.city-journal.org/person/christopher-f-rufo
https://www.ncf.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/

So not resumes just informal bios. And people really care about this?

He's a public figure. "Informal" bios are how he's introduced to the public not resumes. Personally, I think people should represent themselves honestly, so yeah I do care.

Especially when the person has put in a lot of effort to pointing out others' honesty or lack thereof.

Again, where is the lie?

I realize you are completely blind to the bad faith behavior of all right wing provocateurs like Rufo. But really? Are you this dumb?

Have you ever mocked Jill Biden for using “Dr.” as her title? Asking for a friend.

Biden has an Ed.D. from the University of Delaware so she can correctly call herself Dr.

Many right-wing provocateurs will tell you Ed.D isn’t as rigorous as a PhD program and so using the honorific is dubious and misleading.

I actually wonder if Rufo has ever said that.

Here is an example (not Rufo specific).

https://thehill.com/homenews/530136-conservative-critics-mock-jill-biden-title-controversy/

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

Hilarious. What a clown.

Yes, at this point I think many of us are aware that Harvard is no longer deserving of the prestige it used to have. Very clownish.

Like I’ve said for the entire thread. HES is Harvard. An ALM from Harvard is truthfully and correctly described as a masters degree from Harvard.

So out in the open then: that more than anything, what it takes is money.

People keep on claiming I am stupid for pointing this out. Ultimately, what used to be a way to access Harvard is a cash grab. That's all.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

She’s still posting non-apology apologies:

https://x.com/jenniferhochsc2/status/1746099757766824374?s=61&t=0L5nhzrbcJwFfJRjPVpsvA

On this maelstrom, mainly to HES students/staff: I regret that you got dragged into a dispute with nothing to do with you, that caused distress.I endorse and admire HES’s promotion of an inclusive, engaged, ambitious student body. I'm sorry my writing seemed to suggest otherwise.

Presumably Harvard is making her post these. I bet they were approved by legal counsel. Congratulations to Rufo.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

She’s still posting non-apology apologies:

https://x.com/jenniferhochsc2/status/1746099757766824374?s=61&t=0L5nhzrbcJwFfJRjPVpsvA

On this maelstrom, mainly to HES students/staff: I regret that you got dragged into a dispute with nothing to do with you, that caused distress.I endorse and admire HES’s promotion of an inclusive, engaged, ambitious student body. I'm sorry my writing seemed to suggest otherwise.

Presumably Harvard is making her post these. I bet they were approved by legal counsel. Congratulations to Rufo.

She could just stand by what she said and resign. No courage apparently when push comes to shove.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares?? Gay is thankfully out and it has NOTHING to do with her race. You really need to stop it already.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire thing was motivated by grievances over DEI.

There’s no defending her. Even she knows this and resigned.

I was disputing the assertion this had nothing to do with her race.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire campaign and people harping on her since before the testimony. It had always been about her race. It’s ugly and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Harvard got some splash back on this. The HES Professor who mocked HES grads for thinking they have a Harvard degree has now been asked to “clarify:”

https://x.com/Jenniferhochsc2/status/1745912823689973880?s=20

I was asked to clarify, and am glad to do so: HES courses are Harvard U courses (often the same as in FAS, as for my courses). HES bachelor’s and master’s degrees are Harvard U degrees. HES is a school in Harvard U analogous to other schools. HES students are Harvard U students

Hilarious. What a clown.

Yes, at this point I think many of us are aware that Harvard is no longer deserving of the prestige it used to have. Very clownish.

Like I’ve said for the entire thread. HES is Harvard. An ALM from Harvard is truthfully and correctly described as a masters degree from Harvard.

So out in the open then: that more than anything, what it takes is money.

Lol, the delusion with this poster. That’s some sort of weird narrative. Harvard’s prestige is perfectly fine. It’s Rufo and Ackman who have been humbled. And Stefanik’s time is coming.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares?? Gay is thankfully out and it has NOTHING to do with her race. You really need to stop it already.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire thing was motivated by grievances over DEI.

There’s no defending her. Even she knows this and resigned.

I was disputing the assertion this had nothing to do with her race.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire campaign and people harping on her since before the testimony. It had always been about her race. It’s ugly and racist.

No, you want her to get a pass because of her race. Have some integrity and stop setting the bar so low. That is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares?? Gay is thankfully out and it has NOTHING to do with her race. You really need to stop it already.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire thing was motivated by grievances over DEI.

There’s no defending her. Even she knows this and resigned.

I was disputing the assertion this had nothing to do with her race.

It had everything to do with her race. The entire campaign and people harping on her since before the testimony. It had always been about her race. It’s ugly and racist.

No, you want her to get a pass because of her race. Have some integrity and stop setting the bar so low. That is racist.

You are a racist piece of shit and you don’t know the history. Since the moment she was appointed she faced those “she got it because DEI/low bar” comments. It’s the same nasty, racist comments that insinuate some students who are admitted don’t deserve to be there because some cram school Asian kid with a 1600 SAT but no personality or anything to offer the cohort got rejected. It’s beyond disgusting.

But Gay was under fire for getting the role over other “more qualified” candidates long before the testimony. And that was 100% about her race.