2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:USNews changed the methodology to such a degree to makes these rankings almost useless. Thinks like class size or the academic qualifications of instructors no longer matter. At all. What really matters are the graduation rates of Pelll Grant recipients. Maybe that matters to you. But for most families, it's not something they're looking at when determining the quality of a university.

So a large state like California with a lot of income disparity in their public colleges is going to do great in these measurements..All the UCs - with the exception of Merced - are now top 35 schools. UC Irvine is ranked higher than NYU and Tufts. Rutgers is a top 40 school now. And Wake Forest drops nearly 20 spots to 47.

USNews is no longer measuring the academic quality of schools, but their perceived "social good." It such be read as such.

I have little doubt that the qualifications of the faculty at the UC schools, Rutgers, etc are every bit as good and probably better than those at schools like Wake.

Certain of the faculty, yes. But bigger schools tend to have a more heterogenous mix of professors and more TA taught classes. Wake requires all of their professors to teach and did well in the highest degree held by faculty members ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, and perhaps this is an unpopular opinion, this is the most “accurate” ranking of colleges I’ve seen, perhaps ever, from US News.

I agree one thousand percent. It’s just too unnerving to the private high school / private college crowd because it is so contrary to their world view. I’ve always said you’re crazy to throw so much money away on second tier privates over top public colleges. This is more proof of that. UVA, UMD, Tech, the UC schools, UNC, the Big Ten schools, etc are clearly better than all of the bullshit $80k year privates that so many on DCUM have convinced themselves are educational necessities.

I know that college choice shouldn’t come down to rankings but I am actually questioning my child’s decision to apply to Wake Forest and Tulane. On the other hand, said child is not interested in STEM and that is what many of these large state schools excel at.

The new rankings changed 17 out of 19 factors. If you care about graduation rates, class size, educational background of faculty, and strength of peer group, stick with the old rankings.

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Purdue University moved up eight spots to No. 43 Boiler UP!

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame remains in top 20 despite the constant chatter that they will be knocked down lol.

It will as the swell to get of legacy admissions continues.

LOL just like every other elite top 20. It's not going anywhere below where it is. It hasn't for decades. I know that triggers you lol.

It literally dropped 2 spots to 20, it can easily drop another next year.

I can see ND falling out of the top 20 next year.

Yes, likely.

Yup you guys keep saying that every year, yet ND has been in top 20s since the 90s despite being a Catholic University and a student body that is predominantly Catholic and White. What else could USNWR do to drop them lower? They already changed the metrics to be out of their favor this year significantly, but here we are...still in the top 20.

ND will rise next year. USNWR is basing a lot of the weight on diversity of graduating students. Their diversity has improved significantly and they continue to work on this. I don't see it droping much lower than its current standing.

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Anonymous wrote:All these rankings are one size fits all rankings. Instead of by fiat, why not have a ranking where you choose what factors are important to you and your student

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

This ranking has now become useless for many families now. Previously a high achieving student could look at this ranking and got a good feel for where similarly academically gifted, well connected, will heeled students were headed. Such a student could get a good feel for academic reputation, class sizes and where students in similar circumstances had the most opportunities for undergrad research.

But catering to such families is considered racist and politically incorrect now, so US News has thrown these parents and students under the bus and opted to focus on Pell Grant students and their needs while abandoning metrics that really matter for the academically gifted student.

That is why many over crowded, financially strapped public universities that don't primarily focus on academic experience above all else have risen in the rankings.

Virtue signaling at it's worst, but it won't help the magazine. They will still become irrelevant very soon because they actually tried to straddle the fence instead of just picking "accessibility" metrics totally and so, will still piss off the folks they are trying to please while also pissing off the folks who actually found their older model useful previously

This! You can't make everyone happy. So, they should have chosen what their paying customers want.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame remains in top 20 despite the constant chatter that they will be knocked down lol.

It will as the swell to get of legacy admissions continues.

LOL just like every other elite top 20. It's not going anywhere below where it is. It hasn't for decades. I know that triggers you lol.

It literally dropped 2 spots to 20, it can easily drop another next year.

I can see ND falling out of the top 20 next year.

Yes, likely.

Yup you guys keep saying that every year, yet ND has been in top 20s since the 90s despite being a Catholic University and a student body that is predominantly Catholic and White. What else could USNWR do to drop them lower? They already changed the metrics to be out of their favor this year significantly, but here we are...still in the top 20.

ND will rise next year. USNWR is basing a lot of the weight on diversity of graduating students. Their diversity has improved significantly and they continue to work on this. I don't see it droping much lower than its current standing.

These metrics take y years to show up on the rankings, as us news uses 6 year grad rates. So no not much ND can improve on.

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I'm oddly joyous to see all the Southern private schools drop like flies in the rankings. Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Tulane, Emory, Wake Forest all down. As much as I hate to say it, I think Duke is basically carrying the reputation of the entire region, or it would be the foremost educational backwater of the US by a wide margin.

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

This ranking has now become useless for many families now. Previously a high achieving student could look at this ranking and got a good feel for where similarly academically gifted, well connected, will heeled students were headed. Such a student could get a good feel for academic reputation, class sizes and where students in similar circumstances had the most opportunities for undergrad research.

But catering to such families is considered racist and politically incorrect now, so US News has thrown these parents and students under the bus and opted to focus on Pell Grant students and their needs while abandoning metrics that really matter for the academically gifted student.

That is why many over crowded, financially strapped public universities that don't primarily focus on academic experience above all else have risen in the rankings.

Virtue signaling at it's worst, but it won't help the magazine. They will still become irrelevant very soon because they actually tried to straddle the fence instead of just picking "accessibility" metrics totally and so, will still piss off the folks they are trying to please while also pissing off the folks who actually found their older model useful previously

+1. Well-said

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. It looks like business at UVA fell out of the top ten.

It’s really pathetic that you went and looked up specifically business rankings and then paid to get access to below 10! The green eyed monster certainly has you! And it’s no 3 with the Wall Street Journal by the way

UVA business has been declining for years.

Not true at all per the other rankings. And you are t even savvy enough to mention Darden and McIntire. Which school did you or your kid get rejected from

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Anonymous wrote:I'm oddly joyous to see all the Southern private schools drop like flies in the rankings. Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Tulane, Emory, Wake Forest all down. As much as I hate to say it, I think Duke is basically carrying the reputation of the entire region, or it would be the foremost educational backwater of the US by a wide margin.

If you really think Rice belongs in the same category of these other schools you’re clueless. It’s an excellent school that is not overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

This ranking has now become useless for many families now. Previously a high achieving student could look at this ranking and got a good feel for where similarly academically gifted, well connected, will heeled students were headed. Such a student could get a good feel for academic reputation, class sizes and where students in similar circumstances had the most opportunities for undergrad research.

But catering to such families is considered racist and politically incorrect now, so US News has thrown these parents and students under the bus and opted to focus on Pell Grant students and their needs while abandoning metrics that really matter for the academically gifted student.

That is why many over crowded, financially strapped public universities that don't primarily focus on academic experience above all else have risen in the rankings.

Virtue signaling at it's worst, but it won't help the magazine. They will still become irrelevant very soon because they actually tried to straddle the fence instead of just picking "accessibility" metrics totally and so, will still piss off the folks they are trying to please while also pissing off the folks who actually found their older model useful previously

+1. Well-said

Says the nervous rich people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm oddly joyous to see all the Southern private schools drop like flies in the rankings. Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Tulane, Emory, Wake Forest all down. As much as I hate to say it, I think Duke is basically carrying the reputation of the entire region, or it would be the foremost educational backwater of the US by a wide margin.

If you really think Rice belongs in the same category of these other schools you’re clueless. It’s an excellent school that is not overrated.

Regardless of opinion, it did drop just like the rest of the southern privates

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Anonymous wrote:I'm oddly joyous to see all the Southern private schools drop like flies in the rankings. Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Tulane, Emory, Wake Forest all down. As much as I hate to say it, I think Duke is basically carrying the reputation of the entire region, or it would be the foremost educational backwater of the US by a wide margin.

If you really think Rice belongs in the same category of these other schools you’re clueless. It’s an excellent school that is not overrated.

Among Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Tulane, Emory, and Wake Forest, you singled out Rice as the outlier ?

Didn't you mean Tulane ?

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Anonymous wrote:It is noticeableh that all the top publics went up in rankings except for one. Only UVA went down and out of top 25. Wonder why?[/quote


UVA went up
From 25 to 24. OP omitted it fit for some reason