Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

Or even the old one that let people buy their way in unethically.

The new process gives so much "weight" to the admission staff. I'm not surprised to see corruption scandals in the near future.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Actually, if you look at TJ's senior issue, a good number of students end up going to so-so colleges. Why is that? Side-effects of racial equity?

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Kids don't go to TJ to improve their chances at at top college. That would be fruitless, because colleges rate applicants against others in their high school.

Kids go to TJ to be surrounded by others that share the same passion and take a bunch of classes that are not offered at any other high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious. For those saying it should be merit based would you be comfortable if they shifted back to using a test but still kept the allocation by MS? So it would be the top X% of scorers on the test at each MS that get in?

It is not necessary to have a test for admission.

It can just use applicants' GPAs and their middle school's SOL scores to rank all the applicants. Then, accept the top-ranked 550 applicants.
A two-year track record in middle school has better value than just one exam.

This way, the process will be more simple, objective, non-biased, and less stressful for the applicants.

I agree it’s not necessary. You kind of answered my question still though - I strongly support the per MS allocations. Even if they change how kids are picked within a school and how the general pool is picked I think the per MS amounts need to stay.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Oh no just the opposite. It's those kids admitted from test buying under the old system that have dragged down TJ. The new crop of admittees are head and shoulders above the older generation.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious. For those saying it should be merit based would you be comfortable if they shifted back to using a test but still kept the allocation by MS? So it would be the top X% of scorers on the test at each MS that get in?

It is not necessary to have a test for admission.

It can just use applicants' GPAs and their middle school's SOL scores to rank all the applicants. Then, accept the top-ranked 550 applicants.
A two-year track record in middle school has better value than just one exam.

This way, the process will be more simple, objective, non-biased, and less stressful for the applicants.

I agree it’s not necessary. You kind of answered my question still though - I strongly support the per MS allocations. Even if they change how kids are picked within a school and how the general pool is picked I think the per MS amounts need to stay.

As long as the ranking uses local norms and selects the top 550 from the whole county, not just the wealthy areas then sure.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

The only group with which the reputation of the school is “falling” is among the groups that were heavily advantaged by the old admissions process.

It is unchanged basically everywhere else.

It is not as big a deal as a very small number of folks are making it out to be.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

The only group with which the reputation of the school is “falling” is among the groups that were heavily advantaged by the old admissions process.

It is unchanged basically everywhere else.

It is not as big a deal as a very small number of folks are making it out to be.

Because there’s essentially no difference between the kids who were admitted by the old process and those admitted by the new one. They just look different.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

That's so unusual. Almost nobody got in under the old system without prep.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

That's so unusual. Almost nobody got in under the old system without prep.

How do you know?

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Oh no just the opposite. It's those kids admitted from test buying under the old system that have dragged down TJ. The new crop of admittees are head and shoulders above the older generation.

What are you talking about?
Kids from some middle schools are much dumber.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

Or even the old one that let people buy their way in unethically.

The new process gives so much "weight" to the admission staff. I'm not surprised to see corruption scandals in the near future.

Hey, they have to make a system so that they can be bribed.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

That's so unusual. Almost nobody got in under the old system without prep.

How do you know?

Because one prep center took out a full-page ad in the paper and listed the names of just their clients which made up over 30% of TJ's entering class. It's not hard to imagine the other 15 prep centers share of admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Stop using "prep centers" as the scapegoat.
If prep centers are the real problem, the solution will be simple.
We could just provide free prep services for any URMs who are interested.
Then, the TJ student population will resemble the US population.

I'm just curious - because I delight in giving people enough rope to hang themselves - what do YOU think the real problem is?

The problem is we can't simply spend $20k on Cuire classes to guarantee our children entry like the good old days. You have to actually be talented now. It's so crazy and unfair!

Either you are paid by Curie or a fool to repeatedly mention their name on these forums and unaware of free publicity it provides them

Go to prep class still need to study and practice. Why do prep if we can just change the admission process to get it?
Why pay back the student loan if other taxpayers pay for it?
Why work if the welfare check is coming?
Why buy if we can steal?

What point were you trying to make with this incoherent word salad?

Some people just want the prestige of being students of TJ. They do not really want to study hard and learn advanced STEM education. They don't even want to prepare for the admission exams.

And how do you know how hard they work?

Seriously - how do you know what those kids do when they’re at home?

If they can get in by merit, they don't need this new admission process that favors them unethically.

DP, but the old system favored those who could pay for prep classes and game the system. Not by merit.
Now I see why you protest.

There are many admitted students who did not have prep classes under the old system.
The new system just unfairly hurt this group of students.

I don't have any issue with banning all the prep centers.

A merit-based system should be used.

Waiiiiiit a minute.

How does the new process unfairly hurt kids who were admitted by the old system without prep? They got into the school, didn’t they? It’s not like they were retroactively kicked out of the school after the admissions process changed.

Explain it to me like I’m five.

Because they got into the school under the old system without prep. Now the reputation of the school is falling (and everyone is following this nationwide). So they, as TJ students, won't get the national awards and/or college placements they might have under the old system where TJ was no. 1 and everyone knew it. It's like watching the rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Oh no just the opposite. It's those kids admitted from test buying under the old system that have dragged down TJ. The new crop of admittees are head and shoulders above the older generation.

What are you talking about?
Kids from some middle schools are much dumber.

Yes, the students who had to purchase advanced access to the test in order to present as gifted are not on par with those admitted under the new process.