Supreme Court Is Asked to Hear a New Admissions Case on Race

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Ain't that the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

So Asian Americans are smarter that African Americans? Did you learn that at the Klan meeting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

So Asian Americans are smarter that African Americans? Did you learn that at the Klan meeting?

Your illogical questions confirm you are a lunkhead and a racist!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Discrimination based on race is unacceptable. It is unconstitutional to prevent a young African American from playing basketball at the county gym simply because there are already other kids with the same skin color inside. Denying admission based on a child''s skin color is a racist act. Similarly, it is both unconstitutional and discriminatory to deny entry to an Asian American student into a public STEM school just because there are already many students enrolled with the same skin color as theirs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Discrimination based on race is unacceptable. It is unconstitutional to prevent a young African American from playing basketball at the county gym simply because there are already other kids with the same skin color inside. Denying admission based on a child''s skin color is a racist act. Similarly, it is both unconstitutional and discriminatory to deny entry to an Asian American student into a public STEM school just because there are already many students enrolled with the same skin color as theirs.

Sure, glad we avoid these issues by using a race-blind process for selection to these elite programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

Incredibly, a race-blind process is overwhelming in selecting Asian students for TJ. As a group, they seem to be doing better than any other group in terms of TJ selection. Just don't see the problem here.

It's similar to saying that when UVA went co-ed, the number of male students declined, which indicates gender bias. The process was so overwhelming skewed towards Asians that any change however fair would result in a decrease.

I'm glad that students throughout the county now have a shot at these opportunities, not just those from wealthy schools. I even read the group whose enrollment increased the most because of these changes were low-income Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

I still haven't seen a good argument for why TJ admissions and the NBA are somehow comparable. One is a selection process for a publicly funded educational opportunity and the other is a private enterprise whose job is to make money and compete for championships. They have no business being compared with one another.

But if you really want to play this game, I'll play: Using performance on a standardized exam as a gatekeeper for admission to a selective STEM school would be a bit like having a free throw shooting contest as a gatekeeper to selection for an NBA team.

If you do that, you're going to end up selecting a team that shoots free throws really well (which is a reasonably important skill but by no means the most important) and you're going to eliminate a bunch of players who have other talents that they bring to the table but for whatever reason aren't great at shooting free throws. Which is great if your goal is to be the team ranked #1 at shooting free throws. And by the way, you're also going to incentivize everyone who wants a shot at the NBA to spend all of their time working on free throws and spending less time (or perhaps no time at all) working on the other aspects of their game.

Comparing TJ admissions to the NBA is still an incredibly stupid assertion to make, but even if I grant you the terms of the argument, it still doesn't hold up under an level of scrutiny. You look dumb and myopic when you try to claim that they're the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Discrimination based on race is unacceptable. It is unconstitutional to prevent a young African American from playing basketball at the county gym simply because there are already other kids with the same skin color inside. Denying admission based on a child''s skin color is a racist act. Similarly, it is both unconstitutional and discriminatory to deny entry to an Asian American student into a public STEM school just because there are already many students enrolled with the same skin color as theirs.

The phrase "denying admission based on a child's skin color" is problematic for two reasons:

1) No one is being "denied admission" because no one is entitled to admission in the first place.

2) "Skin color", which I take to mean "race", is still not a part of this process. It just isn't.

There are much stronger statistical arguments to be made that the old process discriminated based on race (or more accurately, on socioeconomic status) than there are that the new process does. With the new process, you are getting a pool of offered students that much more closely aligns with the qualified applicant pool, suggesting that it is in fact the new process that does NOT discriminate based on either race or socioeconomic status.

Besides the point, we are rapidly reaching a moment where a new School Board with several new members will be elected, and there is a new Superintendent in place. Whatever arguments exist as to why the previous process was adopted, they're likely to be rendered irrelevant. The new School Board will have an opportunity to weigh in on the new process, and if they uphold it or tweak it slightly, they will take ownership of it and the prior communications that are supposed to prove discriminatory intent (even though they don't) won't hold any weight.

The new process will have to be evaluated on its own merits rather than in opposition to the old process, and at that point I don't see where the Coalition has a leg to stand on... or frankly, what remedy they would even be able to reasonably seek.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Discrimination based on race is unacceptable. It is unconstitutional to prevent a young African American from playing basketball at the county gym simply because there are already other kids with the same skin color inside. Denying admission based on a child''s skin color is a racist act. Similarly, it is both unconstitutional and discriminatory to deny entry to an Asian American student into a public STEM school just because there are already many students enrolled with the same skin color as theirs.

Give it to 'em straight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

This constitutes racial oppression of asian american students bring their number.
Unfortunately, some idiots here attempt to rationalize by citing asian american are still more than half so the racial suppression from 73% to 54% is justified, which is as racist as it would be to forcibly exclude a few African Americans from the NBA and justifying it by claiming they are still the majority.

Going after strength of any particular race is racist, and constitutes racial oppression, whether it is blacks in NBA or asian americans at TJ. No more racial attacks by evil forces in authoritative positions.

Discrimination based on race is unacceptable. It is unconstitutional to prevent a young African American from playing basketball at the county gym simply because there are already other kids with the same skin color inside. Denying admission based on a child''s skin color is a racist act. Similarly, it is both unconstitutional and discriminatory to deny entry to an Asian American student into a public STEM school just because there are already many students enrolled with the same skin color as theirs.

Sure, glad we avoid these issues by using a race-blind process for selection to these elite programs.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

Incredibly, a race-blind process is overwhelming in selecting Asian students for TJ. As a group, they seem to be doing better than any other group in terms of TJ selection. Just don't see the problem here.

It's similar to saying that when UVA went co-ed, the number of male students declined, which indicates gender bias. The process was so overwhelming skewed towards Asians that any change however fair would result in a decrease.

I'm glad that students throughout the county now have a shot at these opportunities, not just those from wealthy schools. I even read the group whose enrollment increased the most because of these changes were low-income Asians.

The changes at least opened this process up to everyone instead of limiting selection to a handful of wealthy schools. The fact that low-income Asians were the biggest beneficiaries was great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NAACP was threatening another.lawsuit against TJ and the school board so they thought.the.changes would avoid it, but instead they got another one from the other side. They honestly thought Asians in NOVA would just take it.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NAACP was threatening another.lawsuit against TJ and the school board so they thought.the.changes would avoid it, but instead they got another one from the other side. They honestly thought Asians in NOVA would just take it.

Seems reasonable to be concerned about the low percentage of AA children in this program and whether there's bias in the process that unduly favors other groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away from FCPS Board's actions to an Asian American student applicant: "We don't want to know how hard you studied Math, English, and Science in middle school. Hence, you will not be given a STEM evaluation test. However, your evaluation will be based on your skin color, and there are already too many of your kind at TJ."

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/supreme-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-prestigious-virginia-schools-allegedly-race-conscious-admissions-policies/

In 2020, the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va., overhauled its admission standards following the murder of George Floyd. Among the policies enacted at the time were the removal of standardized entry tests and the allocation of admissions evenly across the system’s feeder schools, rather than taking the top applicants across the entire district. Consequently, Asian-American student enrollment nosedived from 73 percent to 54 percent the first year the changes went into effect while Hispanic and black representation grew exponentially.

Incredibly, a race-blind process is overwhelming in selecting Asian students for TJ. As a group, they seem to be doing better than any other group in terms of TJ selection. Just don't see the problem here.

It's similar to saying that when UVA went co-ed, the number of male students declined, which indicates gender bias. The process was so overwhelming skewed towards Asians that any change however fair would result in a decrease.

I'm glad that students throughout the county now have a shot at these opportunities, not just those from wealthy schools. I even read the group whose enrollment increased the most because of these changes were low-income Asians.

The changes at least opened this process up to everyone instead of limiting selection to a handful of wealthy schools. The fact that low-income Asians were the biggest beneficiaries was great!

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with new admission, middle income as well as low-income Asian students are subject to racial quota limit. As the texts show, the evil board's goal was to bring down the overall asian student strength from 73% to 54.36%, and that's what was accomplished. If the intention was to do outreach and bring-in additional low-income asian students, the asian american representation would have gone over 73%, not below. There was no outreach effort targeting low-income asian students in the past, present, or any planned for future. The evil eyes had one target and one focus, reduce the Asian student strength.

Except that's false since that never happened. Asians, who make up 15% of the county, are the majority in these programs. To claim they're being treated unfairly by a race-blind selection process is frankly unhinged.

This idiot is brainwashed and programmed to repeat this lie, and ignore the fact that asian american representation went from 73% to 54% in just one admission cycle.

Can someone else explain why and how is it illegal and unconstitutional to suppress students of one race and replace them with students of other races for political gain?

I mean, I am just a dumb non-Asian but even I know that 54% is still a majority.

Where in the Constitution are Asians given a right to exclusive use of public goods like special education programs?

I mean, personally, I think we should just abolish programs like TJ. Tax money shouldn’t pay for that, especially if it’s monopolized be a certain group.

Imagine TJ was 70% black. Do you think the school board would have done anything to reduce the numbers?

They didn't do anything to reduce the numbers here. They worked to improve numbers from underrepresented groups. Had the new stats been 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic, FCPS would have thrown a party to celebrate.

You are trying to make it about Asian students when it was not about Asian students. Asian students would not have borne the brunt of the changes to the admissions process had the previous process not handed them so many structural and cultural advantages.

Asians were actually disadvantaged. FCPS tried several times before the current admission change and each time FCPS tried to reduce the Asian numbers. Black and Hispanic students were already receiving preferences under the old admission system just like the system for UC. UC adopted a plan to increase black student numbers by instructing the readers to give preference to black applicants. TJ had the similar system where they would give a bump to URMs.

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