Is Karen considered a racial slur?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle aged white woman and do not consider it a racial slur. Karens are busybodies and misdemeanor vigilantes against minorities. Not sure why other middle age women want to defend this behavior and label it racist?

When did this become part of the Karen stereotype? I’m a middle aged white woman and when I first started hearing the term, I took it as a light hearted stereotype of a certain type of demanding woman. It always seemed as if the term were meant to be comical and not taken too seriously. All of a sudden it morphed into something much more sinister. That Karen was a racist who went after minorities. This wasn’t part of the original use was it?

It’s not a demanding woman. It is a woman asserting her privilege(many times it’s white woman privilege) and putting others around her in their place. It’s the contempt and distain for anyone who they view as lesser(which is everyone).

*disdain

Why attach a common name to this? Because it is an easy way to denigrate middle-aged women who simply don’t matter anymore. Why can’t you see this?

Dp. They can’t see it because they are too ingrained in a system that diminishes women, while denying it’s happening. Kinda like systemic racism.. systemic misogyny is alive and well, but apparently more tolerated by DCUM.

Please if you don’t matter and are displaced why are you comfortable acting like you have special privileges vs everyone else? People are not calling a random white woman “Karen”. They are calling out the(usually) white, upper class woman who is going out of her way to enforce her privilege and entitlement.

Exactly. It’s about the bad behavior.

Then use a word describing the behavior. How hard is this?

There isn’t a word for that specific behavior.

Oh please. That’s just stupid. There are 600,000 words in the English language. If you can’t come up with anything other than “Karen”, you’re just not very bright.

I can make something up but the point was the word doesn’t exist today.

“ call the manager ” is too long.

Wow so disparaging women is just easier than using three words, so why not do it. You people have really bought in to your misogyny. It’s startling.

Oh no, are you going to call the manager?

See - it’s just too awkward and doesn’t work in all scenarios.

It’s not misogyny. It’s not racism. It’s calling out bad behavior.

It is not bad behavior to point out inferior treatment and service.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle aged white woman and do not consider it a racial slur. Karens are busybodies and misdemeanor vigilantes against minorities. Not sure why other middle age women want to defend this behavior and label it racist?

When did this become part of the Karen stereotype? I’m a middle aged white woman and when I first started hearing the term, I took it as a light hearted stereotype of a certain type of demanding woman. It always seemed as if the term were meant to be comical and not taken too seriously. All of a sudden it morphed into something much more sinister. That Karen was a racist who went after minorities. This wasn’t part of the original use was it?

It’s not a demanding woman. It is a woman asserting her privilege(many times it’s white woman privilege) and putting others around her in their place. It’s the contempt and distain for anyone who they view as lesser(which is everyone).

*disdain

Why attach a common name to this? Because it is an easy way to denigrate middle-aged women who simply don’t matter anymore. Why can’t you see this?

Dp. They can’t see it because they are too ingrained in a system that diminishes women, while denying it’s happening. Kinda like systemic racism.. systemic misogyny is alive and well, but apparently more tolerated by DCUM.

Please if you don’t matter and are displaced why are you comfortable acting like you have special privileges vs everyone else? People are not calling a random white woman “Karen”. They are calling out the(usually) white, upper class woman who is going out of her way to enforce her privilege and entitlement.

Exactly. It’s about the bad behavior.

Then use a word describing the behavior. How hard is this?

There isn’t a word for that specific behavior.

Oh please. That’s just stupid. There are 600,000 words in the English language. If you can’t come up with anything other than “Karen”, you’re just not very bright.

I can make something up but the point was the word doesn’t exist today.

“ call the manager ” is too long.

Wow so disparaging women is just easier than using three words, so why not do it. You people have really bought in to your misogyny. It’s startling.

Oh no, are you going to call the manager?

See - it’s just too awkward and doesn’t work in all scenarios.

It’s not misogyny. It’s not racism. It’s calling out bad behavior.

Again, use your words. Pick some of the 600,000 words. Don’t use someone’s name.

Except you won’t, because you are in fact referring to an entire population of middle aged, white women who you think it’s ok to disparage. This is both misogyny and racism and the fact that you can’t see it, means you’ve bought into the system.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term Karen, but the way the word "entitled" has come to be used bothers me more. The connotation of that word is negative, usually used when someone thinks they deserve special privileges or treatment for no reason. Acting as of you are deserving of special treatment is entitled and annoying.

Asking for the food you ordered, for basic rules to be observed (like quiet hours or no smoking at a hotel), or to not have someone screaming in your face is not entitled.

It's funny to me that people hate Karens who complain about rules that apply to everyone being broken. Isn't it more entitled to think the rules don't apply to you?

The lording over people is the entitlement bit. You have designated yourself hall monitor to tell others what to do.

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Anonymous wrote:All this fuss makes me want to use it more. Maybe if more white women feel the oppression they are both perpetrators and victims of, they'll stop aligning themselves with white supremacy and actually help us dismantle it.

White women will just report you to the manager for your micro aggressions and perhaps call the police on you if you escalate. What comes around goes around. Hope you don't get caught doing it at work.

I'm not dumb enough to think white women are my friends, at work or otherwise. Beware of the Karens is potentially life saving advice I will continue to give my kids. Those ladies may seem nice enough, but crossing them could get you killed. Learn to identify and avoid.

Who suggested they were your friends? Interfering in something in order to police someone's behavior by name calling can have bad consequences. So you should teach your kids to not run around taunting women by calling them "Karen".

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term Karen, but the way the word "entitled" has come to be used bothers me more. The connotation of that word is negative, usually used when someone thinks they deserve special privileges or treatment for no reason. Acting as of you are deserving of special treatment is entitled and annoying.

Asking for the food you ordered, for basic rules to be observed (like quiet hours or no smoking at a hotel), or to not have someone screaming in your face is not entitled.

It's funny to me that people hate Karens who complain about rules that apply to everyone being broken. Isn't it more entitled to think the rules don't apply to you?

The lording over people is the entitlement bit. You have designated yourself hall monitor to tell others what to do.

Exactly. It's a perceived sense of power that they get some sick joy out of lording over everyone. For example, the biddies in my neighborhood currently up in arms over a few kids selling cold water at the park. How is it hurting you? Why can't you keep your nose in your own business?

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Anonymous wrote:All this fuss makes me want to use it more. Maybe if more white women feel the oppression they are both perpetrators and victims of, they'll stop aligning themselves with white supremacy and actually help us dismantle it.

White women will just report you to the manager for your micro aggressions and perhaps call the police on you if you escalate. What comes around goes around. Hope you don't get caught doing it at work.

I'm not dumb enough to think white women are my friends, at work or otherwise. Beware of the Karens is potentially life saving advice I will continue to give my kids. Those ladies may seem nice enough, but crossing them could get you killed. Learn to identify and avoid.

What would you say if a white person was teaching their kids that “be aware of young black men” is potentially life saving advice?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle aged white woman and do not consider it a racial slur. Karens are busybodies and misdemeanor vigilantes against minorities. Not sure why other middle age women want to defend this behavior and label it racist?

When did this become part of the Karen stereotype? I’m a middle aged white woman and when I first started hearing the term, I took it as a light hearted stereotype of a certain type of demanding woman. It always seemed as if the term were meant to be comical and not taken too seriously. All of a sudden it morphed into something much more sinister. That Karen was a racist who went after minorities. This wasn’t part of the original use was it?

It’s not a demanding woman. It is a woman asserting her privilege(many times it’s white woman privilege) and putting others around her in their place. It’s the contempt and distain for anyone who they view as lesser(which is everyone).

*disdain

Why attach a common name to this? Because it is an easy way to denigrate middle-aged women who simply don’t matter anymore. Why can’t you see this?

Dp. They can’t see it because they are too ingrained in a system that diminishes women, while denying it’s happening. Kinda like systemic racism.. systemic misogyny is alive and well, but apparently more tolerated by DCUM.

Please if you don’t matter and are displaced why are you comfortable acting like you have special privileges vs everyone else? People are not calling a random white woman “Karen”. They are calling out the(usually) white, upper class woman who is going out of her way to enforce her privilege and entitlement.

Exactly. It’s about the bad behavior.

Then use a word describing the behavior. How hard is this?

There isn’t a word for that specific behavior.

Oh please. That’s just stupid. There are 600,000 words in the English language. If you can’t come up with anything other than “Karen”, you’re just not very bright.

I can make something up but the point was the word doesn’t exist today.

“ call the manager ” is too long.

Wow so disparaging women is just easier than using three words, so why not do it. You people have really bought in to your misogyny. It’s startling.

Oh no, are you going to call the manager?

See - it’s just too awkward and doesn’t work in all scenarios.

It’s not misogyny. It’s not racism. It’s calling out bad behavior.

Again, use your words. Pick some of the 600,000 words. Don’t use someone’s name.

Except you won’t, because you are in fact referring to an entire population of middle aged, white women who you think it’s ok to disparage. This is both misogyny and racism and the fact that you can’t see it, means you’ve bought into the system.

No, I can use wherever words I want to use to describe the bad behavior. It’s neither misogyny or racism. All middle-aged, white women don’t act this way. It’s not referring to the entire population FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term Karen, but the way the word "entitled" has come to be used bothers me more. The connotation of that word is negative, usually used when someone thinks they deserve special privileges or treatment for no reason. Acting as of you are deserving of special treatment is entitled and annoying.

Asking for the food you ordered, for basic rules to be observed (like quiet hours or no smoking at a hotel), or to not have someone screaming in your face is not entitled.

It's funny to me that people hate Karens who complain about rules that apply to everyone being broken. Isn't it more entitled to think the rules don't apply to you?

The lording over people is the entitlement bit. You have designated yourself hall monitor to tell others what to do.

Exactly. It's a perceived sense of power that they get some sick joy out of lording over everyone. For example, the biddies in my neighborhood currently up in arms over a few kids selling cold water at the park. How is it hurting you? Why can't you keep your nose in your own business?

What was the tone of the kids selling water? Specific behaviors? Isn't that what we're saying about "Karen" behavior? How do we know what they did was wrong without knowing what they were responding to?

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Anonymous wrote:All this fuss makes me want to use it more. Maybe if more white women feel the oppression they are both perpetrators and victims of, they'll stop aligning themselves with white supremacy and actually help us dismantle it.

White women will just report you to the manager for your micro aggressions and perhaps call the police on you if you escalate. What comes around goes around. Hope you don't get caught doing it at work.

I'm not dumb enough to think white women are my friends, at work or otherwise. Beware of the Karens is potentially life saving advice I will continue to give my kids. Those ladies may seem nice enough, but crossing them could get you killed. Learn to identify and avoid.

What would you say if a white person was teaching their kids that “be aware of young black men” is potentially life saving advice?

You really don’t know what racism is, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term Karen, but the way the word "entitled" has come to be used bothers me more. The connotation of that word is negative, usually used when someone thinks they deserve special privileges or treatment for no reason. Acting as of you are deserving of special treatment is entitled and annoying.

Asking for the food you ordered, for basic rules to be observed (like quiet hours or no smoking at a hotel), or to not have someone screaming in your face is not entitled.

It's funny to me that people hate Karens who complain about rules that apply to everyone being broken. Isn't it more entitled to think the rules don't apply to you?

The lording over people is the entitlement bit. You have designated yourself hall monitor to tell others what to do.

Doesn't that depend on the situation? If you are in a hotel with your kids trying to sleep and the person next to you is partying loudly at 3 a.m., you actually are entitled to quiet, and the people partying are not. If you ask for quiet, either directly or by calling the front desk, does that make you a Karen?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle aged white woman and do not consider it a racial slur. Karens are busybodies and misdemeanor vigilantes against minorities. Not sure why other middle age women want to defend this behavior and label it racist?

When did this become part of the Karen stereotype? I’m a middle aged white woman and when I first started hearing the term, I took it as a light hearted stereotype of a certain type of demanding woman. It always seemed as if the term were meant to be comical and not taken too seriously. All of a sudden it morphed into something much more sinister. That Karen was a racist who went after minorities. This wasn’t part of the original use was it?

It’s not a demanding woman. It is a woman asserting her privilege(many times it’s white woman privilege) and putting others around her in their place. It’s the contempt and distain for anyone who they view as lesser(which is everyone).

*disdain

Why attach a common name to this? Because it is an easy way to denigrate middle-aged women who simply don’t matter anymore. Why can’t you see this?

Dp. They can’t see it because they are too ingrained in a system that diminishes women, while denying it’s happening. Kinda like systemic racism.. systemic misogyny is alive and well, but apparently more tolerated by DCUM.

Please if you don’t matter and are displaced why are you comfortable acting like you have special privileges vs everyone else? People are not calling a random white woman “Karen”. They are calling out the(usually) white, upper class woman who is going out of her way to enforce her privilege and entitlement.

Exactly. It’s about the bad behavior.

Then use a word describing the behavior. How hard is this?

There isn’t a word for that specific behavior.

Oh please. That’s just stupid. There are 600,000 words in the English language. If you can’t come up with anything other than “Karen”, you’re just not very bright.

I can make something up but the point was the word doesn’t exist today.

“ call the manager ” is too long.

Wow so disparaging women is just easier than using three words, so why not do it. You people have really bought in to your misogyny. It’s startling.

Oh no, are you going to call the manager?

See - it’s just too awkward and doesn’t work in all scenarios.

It’s not misogyny. It’s not racism. It’s calling out bad behavior.

Again, use your words. Pick some of the 600,000 words. Don’t use someone’s name.

Except you won’t, because you are in fact referring to an entire population of middle aged, white women who you think it’s ok to disparage. This is both misogyny and racism and the fact that you can’t see it, means you’ve bought into the system.

No, I can use wherever words I want to use to describe the bad behavior. It’s neither misogyny or racism. All middle-aged, white women don’t act this way. It’s not referring to the entire population FFS.

So use words that don't specifically refer to middle aged white women when you want to describe behavior. Words already exist for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle aged white woman and do not consider it a racial slur. Karens are busybodies and misdemeanor vigilantes against minorities. Not sure why other middle age women want to defend this behavior and label it racist?

When did this become part of the Karen stereotype? I’m a middle aged white woman and when I first started hearing the term, I took it as a light hearted stereotype of a certain type of demanding woman. It always seemed as if the term were meant to be comical and not taken too seriously. All of a sudden it morphed into something much more sinister. That Karen was a racist who went after minorities. This wasn’t part of the original use was it?

It’s not a demanding woman. It is a woman asserting her privilege(many times it’s white woman privilege) and putting others around her in their place. It’s the contempt and distain for anyone who they view as lesser(which is everyone).

*disdain

Why attach a common name to this? Because it is an easy way to denigrate middle-aged women who simply don’t matter anymore. Why can’t you see this?

Dp. They can’t see it because they are too ingrained in a system that diminishes women, while denying it’s happening. Kinda like systemic racism.. systemic misogyny is alive and well, but apparently more tolerated by DCUM.

Please if you don’t matter and are displaced why are you comfortable acting like you have special privileges vs everyone else? People are not calling a random white woman “Karen”. They are calling out the(usually) white, upper class woman who is going out of her way to enforce her privilege and entitlement.

Exactly. It’s about the bad behavior.

Then use a word describing the behavior. How hard is this?

There isn’t a word for that specific behavior.

Oh please. That’s just stupid. There are 600,000 words in the English language. If you can’t come up with anything other than “Karen”, you’re just not very bright.

I can make something up but the point was the word doesn’t exist today.

“ call the manager ” is too long.

Wow so disparaging women is just easier than using three words, so why not do it. You people have really bought in to your misogyny. It’s startling.

Oh no, are you going to call the manager?

See - it’s just too awkward and doesn’t work in all scenarios.

It’s not misogyny. It’s not racism. It’s calling out bad behavior.

Again, use your words. Pick some of the 600,000 words. Don’t use someone’s name.

Except you won’t, because you are in fact referring to an entire population of middle aged, white women who you think it’s ok to disparage. This is both misogyny and racism and the fact that you can’t see it, means you’ve bought into the system.

No, I can use wherever words I want to use to describe the bad behavior. It’s neither misogyny or racism. All middle-aged, white women don’t act this way. It’s not referring to the entire population FFS.

You're not actually describing the bad behavior at all, because as we’ve seen on this thread “Karen” has tons of meaning to different people. You are using a lazy, misogynistic slur and you just don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:All this fuss makes me want to use it more. Maybe if more white women feel the oppression they are both perpetrators and victims of, they'll stop aligning themselves with white supremacy and actually help us dismantle it.

White women will just report you to the manager for your micro aggressions and perhaps call the police on you if you escalate. What comes around goes around. Hope you don't get caught doing it at work.

I'm not dumb enough to think white women are my friends, at work or otherwise. Beware of the Karens is potentially life saving advice I will continue to give my kids. Those ladies may seem nice enough, but crossing them could get you killed. Learn to identify and avoid.

Who suggested they were your friends? Interfering in something in order to police someone's behavior by name calling can have bad consequences. So you should teach your kids to not run around taunting women by calling them "Karen".

I dont teach them to taunt them. I teach them to identify them and stay the hell away from them.

By saying they aren't my friends, I mean I know better than to trust my white coworkers with literally any of my true feelings or opinions. I would never get caught calling someone a Karen at work because I'm not a moron. The only way to cow a Karen tantrum is to feign deference, since that's what they really want.

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Karen is the white equivalent of calling a black woman Shaniqua.

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Anonymous wrote:All this fuss makes me want to use it more. Maybe if more white women feel the oppression they are both perpetrators and victims of, they'll stop aligning themselves with white supremacy and actually help us dismantle it.

White women will just report you to the manager for your micro aggressions and perhaps call the police on you if you escalate. What comes around goes around. Hope you don't get caught doing it at work.

I'm not dumb enough to think white women are my friends, at work or otherwise. Beware of the Karens is potentially life saving advice I will continue to give my kids. Those ladies may seem nice enough, but crossing them could get you killed. Learn to identify and avoid.

What would you say if a white person was teaching their kids that “be aware of young black men” is potentially life saving advice?

You really don’t know what racism is, do you?

Are you really suggesting that teaching your kids to fear and “stay the hell away” from white women is not racist?