Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

80 percent of jobs in field offices never reach GS-13+. two thirds of federal employees work outside of the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

80 percent of jobs in field offices never reach GS-13+. two thirds of federal employees work outside of the DMV.

Yes, and those tend to be in job areas where the compensation for feds is good. It’s the professional jobs in specialized areas (law, cyber, bio/med) that tend to be underpaid, and nearly all of those will top out at or above GS-13.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

80 percent of jobs in field offices never reach GS-13+. two thirds of federal employees work outside of the DMV.

Yes, and those tend to be in job areas where the compensation for feds is good. It’s the professional jobs in specialized areas (law, cyber, bio/med) that tend to be underpaid, and nearly all of those will top out at or above GS-13.

Almost any nonsupervisory job in a land management agency, including PhD level scientists and IT. To get to GS-13 you have to manage teams.

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If I am a new fed in my first year of fed employment do I still get this raise?

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Anonymous wrote:I would gladly pass on the pay raise if Biden was willing to eliminate the RTO push in exchange. I have won four performance awards (associated with cash) in the three years we have been working primarily from home, and had press releases regarding the success of my team and myself on two matters. I do get that some people slack off during WFH, but I have not, and neither has most of my team.

Someone else out there would be happy to do your job.

The purpose of federal government employment isn't to ensure that upper middle class women who are married to fellow white collar worker spouses are inconveniced as little as possible by annoyances such as commutes, having to hire childcare (things most other employed people have dealt with forever), so they can save as much money as possible to live in million dollar homes and travel to Europe once a year.

I realize that you are too dense to get this, but she is saying she is more than satisfactorily performing her job duties with WFH.
BTW, dealth? possble? inconveniced? Learn to spell.

But, the government doesn't want the majority of people to work from home. That is the point. The government has made that judgment call. The government has an opinion, she has an opinion, but govt is in charge. I fixed my typos above, sorry I was typing in low light at my desk. My point still stands.

The government's main concern should be receiving best value for work performed.
That is being provided.
The government has made a different judgment call. You are confusing your preference with fact, just because something is your preference doesn't make it a fact. You are not the main character.

The WFH horse is already out of the barn and the work force has been transformed.
You are treating WFH as if it is water that has spilled into the soil from a bottle; you cannot gather water that has been spilled from a bottle into the soil back into the bottle, but yes, human beings can take themselves to the office after not going into the office for a period of time. It is not a physical impossibility. Again, you are just stating a preference and portraying it as a fact.

Watch the push back by almost the entire workforce, including unions, if the government takes a hard line stand on this.
And? Just like noses, everyone has an opinion, and all people have preferences.

Please consider the positive benefits of WFH for our environment alone, gas saved, road maintenance saved, less auto accidents, etc.
It will be very hard now to claim to be pro environment and anti WFH.

Studies show there are more people on the road now during all times of the day due to WFH. Also, when WFH, people are not sitting in caves, they are at home using all sorts of energy. Lastly, what is the "environment"? Is this a gotcha of some sort? What specific actions are WFHomers doing that benefits what you are calling the "environment", which you actually have not defined?

"Studies show"?! What studies?
Absolute baloney and in conflict with common sense.

I realize you don't understand or accept the change in the workforce culture which was caused by WFH, but you will soon.
The paradigm has shifted.

OK, you say this as private sector and the government is calling people back into the office. You want to WFH really really really bad, and what you want is the most important thing in this world, and everyone needs to understand that, right? Again, main character syndrome. This isn't reality.

It far, far from just me.
That you think it is just me demonstrates quite well that you really have no understanding of the issue, those involved, or its impact.
And again you do not accept or understand that this change in the workforce culture has already occurred.
WFH has been an overwhelming success.
And the workforce now has a very good argument for keeping it (or most of it) in place.

The "change in workforce culture" you describe is that people have a preference to do something. My preference is not to write my performance evaluation this year. It is possible that my employer will suspend this process for a year or two but bring it back at some point. This is employer prerogative. Same with WFH. You seem to believe in manifesting and speaking things into existence, if you say something and you really want it to happen, others will follow along.

My the team was created on a transcontinental basis, and management did all the hiring based on a projection of continued liberal remote work.

Is it also the preference of those of us on the team? Yes, that’s why some
of us sought out these jobs.

But more than preference, it’s the logic of the work as we have always done it. The culture, if you will. Without dramatically increased funding for the office as a whole—enabling travel for F2F interaction—there is insufficient money to make being in a government building productive for any of us.

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Anonymous wrote:If I am a new fed in my first year of fed employment do I still get this raise?

Yes. It's basically an adjustment of the salary for your grade and step.

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Meanwhile we are headed for across the board 1% cuts because of a provision in the debt ceiling package so wonder how that will all play out

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

Huh? No job I had after GS11 had a ladder or a career track. To get a promotion I had to apply for new jobs. If I’d stayed in my job for 20 years and was the best person on the planet, I still couldn’t have gotten a raise.

My first job was a 7/9/11 and I was promoted based on job performance.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

Huh? No job I had after GS11 had a ladder or a career track. To get a promotion I had to apply for new jobs. If I’d stayed in my job for 20 years and was the best person on the planet, I still couldn’t have gotten a raise.

My first job was a 7/9/11 and I was promoted based on job performance.

Times are changing.

I started as a 9 on a ladder to 13 (non-supervisory) and I’m not a lawyer, Bio Med or in IT. Took 3 years to be a 13. No previous fed or military experience. Just a bachelor’s degree and several year’s experience in the private sector.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

Huh? No job I had after GS11 had a ladder or a career track. To get a promotion I had to apply for new jobs. If I’d stayed in my job for 20 years and was the best person on the planet, I still couldn’t have gotten a raise.

My first job was a 7/9/11 and I was promoted based on job performance.

Times are changing.

I started as a 9 on a ladder to 13 (non-supervisory) and I’m not a lawyer, Bio Med or in IT. Took 3 years to be a 13. No previous fed or military experience. Just a bachelor’s degree and several year’s experience in the private sector.

I was hired as a 7 right out of college and ladder to 13. Engineer with BS. And I started in 87 so not sure if it's a new thing

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How much raise it would be for feds in DC area? I am assuming anywhere close to 5.5% but let's see.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile we are headed for across the board 1% cuts because of a provision in the debt ceiling package so wonder how that will all play out

That’s a cut to your agency’s total budget but not your individual pay. Worst case scenario they do furloughs and you go without pay for a bit but that seems unlikely.

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I spent 10 years in the fed govt. Then I left for a fully remote private sector job where I make $50K more.

I’ve gotten so many messages from former coworkers asking if my company is hiring. The feds are hemorrhaging people.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand fed employees. You have guaranteed salaries and jobs 4 life but all you do is complain, complain, complain. My neighbors are an GS-14 and 15. The government paid their student loans for them, and other than their mortgage, they are debt free and living their best lives. They just bought a vacation home in Shenandoah and take multiple vacations each year. Why are y'all complaining again?

I don’t understand stupid posts like this. The vast majority of Feds will never become GS 13/14/15 in their entire career.

What’s a job in the federal government that isn’t on a track to a GS-13, and the employees don’t already make more in total compensation than private sector counterparts?

80 percent of jobs in field offices never reach GS-13+. two thirds of federal employees work outside of the DMV.

Yes, and those tend to be in job areas where the compensation for feds is good. It’s the professional jobs in specialized areas (law, cyber, bio/med) that tend to be underpaid, and nearly all of those will top out at or above GS-13.

Almost any nonsupervisory job in a land management agency, including PhD level scientists and IT. To get to GS-13 you have to manage teams.

I have a family friend who retired as an attorney for the VA at a GS-12, she went to a top law school and worked there over 30 years but never went into management so she could never go above a 12.