The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there so much hate for Albie? I think he seems fine.

Because he reminds these white women too much of their dorky husbands

Hardly. People don't hate him but he's very clearly trying hard to be a "woke" Gen Z man and it comes off as grating and probably not very genuine. When he goes off on his dad and grandpa about The Godfather, it was soooooo cringey. And I'm on his side (though I love the Godfather, personally, but yes it's also a male fantasy). But listening to some 22 year old who was recently talking about how women his age don't seem to want "nice guys" explain feminism is just.... ugh. He's trying to impress Portia but the most impressive thing he could do would be to ask her what SHE thinks or politely disagree with his dad/grandpa without trying to use it as an opportunity to prove his feminist bona fides. It just feels like he's working awfully hard to convince Portia that he's one of the good guys.

It's guys like that who always get the most angry when you turn them down because they feel they did everything they were "supposed" to do and didn't get what their cookie as a reward. It's tiresome and I'm glad my DH isn't like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the Aubrey four-ple going to do some wife swapping or something? The rooms connect and the "happy" couple seemed open to the idea of connecting them. Then the whole getting naked in front of Aubrey and the "I want you to like me, it's important" speech.

The other thing I thought would come back was the "happy" couple's wife saying she could cut off her husband's balls if she wanted to. If they don't all swap together and just the husband does it, maybe she will kill her husband? Or kill Aubrey's husband if the swap and she is mad that he still loves his wife Aubrey? Her character seems ineffectual but I think there is a hint of something underneath there that could cause problems. (Though she finds the bodies and is horrified so maybe not.)

It felt to me like Daphne purposefully reached out and talked to the two women at the start of episode 1. They did not engage with her first. Like she wanted to create and alibi or story where all was well on the morning of xyz date. She does a quick side glance as she goes into the water that doesn’t look as carefree as the rest of those seconds as she jumps into the water.

The women she is talking to were on Survivor. I don't think we were meant to take anything from that interaction.

Oh I didn't realize they were from Survivor -- guessing from Mike White's season or people he met through Survivor contacts? That's kind of fun -- I love that he's so obsessed with Survivor that he went and got cast on the show, I thought that was hilarious.

Anyway, the fact that it was a bit of a stunt casting doesn't mean that scene doesn't have importance in the show. In Season One, the very first scene is also a flash forward, to the Jake Lacey character at the airport waiting to leave Hawaii, and mention of the plane waiting on a dead body that we're supposed to think is his wife because he seems so upset and he is playing with his wedding ring. Of course the truth was that the dead body was the hotel concierge, who Jake's character killed, and he's worrying over his wedding ring because he's unsure if his wife, who has just discovered (somehow) that he's an entitled a$$hole who can literally get away with murder, will come back to him and they'll stay married. But at the end of the flash forward teaser, they cut to the main cast on the boat just arriving at the resort.

This season started the exact same way, so it makes sense that what appears to be happening in that first scene with Daphne is not actually what is going on, and that we'll get some big revelations over the course of the season that will reveal how we got it wrong. The presence of some Survivor alums in the scene might just serve as further distraction from what is actually going on. I like PP's theory.

Agree 100%. I do think that Cameron is involved - either he's dead or he is responsible - because that scene is the only time so far (and granted we're only on episode 2) that we see Daphne alone. She is connected to Cameron by the hip in every other scene.

Is that her husband Cameron who hugs her when she rushes out of the sea? Watch it again.

yes

I didn't think it was him -- he was definitely wearing different swim trunks than the ones he borrowed from Aubrey's husband in the first or second episode. I didn't notice what he was wearing on the water scooter, maybe he bought new trunks?

Is Aubrey's character's name Aubrey in the story? Because Cameron called her Aubrey in this latest episode while they were sitting at the breakfast table. ha.

The breakfast scene where they talked about going to Noto? I just rewatched that scene. Cameron does not call her Aubrey. Cameron says "Harper you should go".

Oh wow. I can't believe it. I just rewatched it too and he does say Harper. I could have SWORN I heard Aubrey!!! How could I have been so wrong? Sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there so much hate for Albie? I think he seems fine.

He’s the poster child for the effeminate, SJW, non athlete, over educated confused American Gen z/millennial boy.

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“Ethan was the original incel”. That was quite the quote from a college friend in night 1.

Love the grandpa telling it like it is straightforwardly- drain the sack, it’s natural, I’m virile.
And the adult grandson saying junk ages badly… it’s a p, not a subset

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It’s funny how many of you are triggered by Ethan’s comment about women not wanting “nice guys.” For women his age, that’s more true than not. Women often (not always) grow out of it, but I know quite a few that did it too late.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how many of you are triggered by Ethan’s comment about women not wanting “nice guys.” For women his age, that’s more true than not. Women often (not always) grow out of it, but I know quite a few that did it too late.

Albie and no one is triggered. It’s just we’ve all met nice guys like Albie who lament that women don’t seem to want nice guys. They think since they are nice, and they are single, then girls don’t want nice guys. But it’s just that the particular women they have met/dated/been interested in didn’t want them. A woman who likes nice guys does not automatically want every nice guy she meets. People need attraction and that doesn’t apply to entire categories like “nice guys.”

Also, IME, there is a difference between a guy who is kind and respectful and interested in me as a person (who I might describe as nice fir possessing those qualities) and a guy who is simply polite and tries not to be a huge ahole or a misogynist. Like a lot of guys think that simply by not being jerks they are “nice” and women should flock to them, but a lot of us have higher standards than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone think the scene when Daphne and Harper were walking through the little town with SO many men just standing around was a little strange. No tourists, nothing going on. Just lots of me gawking.

I interpreted the scene as her feeling gawked at and objectified by men. Obviously in real life it’s not the swarm that was shown but I think many of us know that feeling that there are just eyes on you kind of checking you out. It can make you feel vulnerable and self conscious. In the scene later she says she was tripping out on being a woman last time she had an edible and I think she does have some discomfort with what it is to be a woman in this world. I think this episode focused a lot on the differences between men and women, our roles and how we relate to each other. It seemed like this scene was worked in to show one of those dynamics that occur between men and women. Harper feels discomfort in a way Daphne might not because Harper lives in a world where her marriage is equitable and her husband is a true peer and equal. Daphne is very sure of the innate differences between men and women but is relieved to be a woman; she doesn’t want to be a lone bull elephant.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone think the scene when Daphne and Harper were walking through the little town with SO many men just standing around was a little strange. No tourists, nothing going on. Just lots of me gawking.

Not sure if it's been mentioned before but it's a scene recreated almost shot by shot from Monica Vitti in L’avventura

That’s interesting. The scene actual reminded me of what it felt like walking around Italy as a young female. The men come at you from everywhere, usually in pairs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Agree, yuck. She has a sticky build like a short 16 yo muscular gymnast or swimmer. What other roles has she played?

Why are you body shaming her? Comment on her fashion choices, fine. No need for the body comments.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Exactly what a hater

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Agree, yuck. She has a sticky build like a short 16 yo muscular gymnast or swimmer. What other roles has she played?

Why are you body shaming her? Comment on her fashion choices, fine. No need for the body comments.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Agree, yuck. She has a sticky build like a short 16 yo muscular gymnast or swimmer. What other roles has she played?

Why are you body shaming her? Comment on her fashion choices, fine. No need for the body comments.

Haters

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone think the scene when Daphne and Harper were walking through the little town with SO many men just standing around was a little strange. No tourists, nothing going on. Just lots of me gawking.

I interpreted the scene as her feeling gawked at and objectified by men. Obviously in real life it’s not the swarm that was shown but I think many of us know that feeling that there are just eyes on you kind of checking you out. It can make you feel vulnerable and self conscious. In the scene later she says she was tripping out on being a woman last time she had an edible and I think she does have some discomfort with what it is to be a woman in this world. I think this episode focused a lot on the differences between men and women, our roles and how we relate to each other. It seemed like this scene was worked in to show one of those dynamics that occur between men and women. Harper feels discomfort in a way Daphne might not because Harper lives in a world where her marriage is equitable and her husband is a true peer and equal. Daphne is very sure of the innate differences between men and women but is relieved to be a woman; she doesn’t want to be a lone bull elephant.

Hmmmm gender studies 101

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Agree, yuck. She has a sticky build like a short 16 yo muscular gymnast or swimmer. What other roles has she played?

You must have a lot of self hate.

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Michael Imperioli was being interviewed on NPR today about his character in White Lotus 2. I was getting out of the car and just heard the beginning. His take was that the grandfather was unapologetic about his behavior--that it was what men did and it didn't mean anything because he only loved his wife. He said his character felt the same early on and was a big compartmentalizer, but he is now feeling shame and guilt right after giving in. He no longer thinks what he is doing is ok. He is really struggling. He was beginning to speak about the differences in generations...I have to find the recording to listen to the whole interview.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Agree, yuck. She has a sticky build like a short 16 yo muscular gymnast or swimmer. What other roles has she played?

That's her body ok?!