When are you going to stop wearing masks indoors (stores, etc)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

People in this area judge everyone on everything pp. Its what half of dcum is about.

I look at the science and do what I want to do, which right now is wear a very protective mask. If someone judges me, that's their problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

For omicron specifically? Can you share which cloth ones are as good?

That PP is full of sh&t and don't understand how respirators work. There was actually a randomized study in Bangladesh that compared very high quality cloth masks ("These cloth masks had substantially higher filtration than common commercial three-ply cotton masks but lower filtration than hybrid masks that use materials not commonly available for community members in low-resource settings") with surgical masks. Both showed small effects but depending on how they crunched the numbers the effect of cloth masks was sometimes statistically insignificant, pre-Omicron. Surgical masks were unquestionably better.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

For omicron specifically? Can you share which cloth ones are as good?

Not specifically for omicron. I've worn Happy Masks and I've heard and read good things about the masks from enro. I don't know of any research specifically focused on omicron -- vs whatever tests and standards they've been using all along. I'm not saying that it isn't out there, just that I haven't done the work of finding out.

I posted this separately, but this is the most current information that I've read from a solid source about masking in general.


https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/mask-mandates-ending-in-schools?utm_source=YaleToday&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=YT_Yale%20Today%20Alum%20no%20Parents_2-24-2022

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

People in this area judge everyone on everything pp. Its what half of dcum is about.

I look at the science and do what I want to do, which right now is wear a very protective mask. If someone judges me, that's their problem.

So then why are you saying that people are "projecting" when they fear to be judged, no matter from which side? I agree they shouldn't care what others think and do what they think is right, but they are certainly not imagining that it's happening. And with humans, you will never eliminate peer pressure. People are social animals, and peer pressure will exist as long as the human race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

Nope. I make my own decisions as best as I can -- as do most of the people I know. I don't care if some anonymous person "judges" me or not. So: judge away!

You may be the exception, but I guarantee you that most people at this point would stop masking in stores if they weren't worries about what others think - not people on DCUM, but other people out in public with them.

[Anonymous]

For me, it depends on what the sign on the door says.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

People in this area judge everyone on everything pp. Its what half of dcum is about.

I look at the science and do what I want to do, which right now is wear a very protective mask. If someone judges me, that's their problem.

DCUM isn't real life and tons of the posters don't even live here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

For omicron specifically? Can you share which cloth ones are as good?

Not specifically for omicron. I've worn Happy Masks and I've heard and read good things about the masks from enro. I don't know of any research specifically focused on omicron -- vs whatever tests and standards they've been using all along. I'm not saying that it isn't out there, just that I haven't done the work of finding out.

I posted this separately, but this is the most current information that I've read from a solid source about masking in general.


https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/mask-mandates-ending-in-schools?utm_source=YaleToday&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=YT_Yale%20Today%20Alum%20no%20Parents_2-24-2022

This link does not have any information on "Happy Masks", whatever the F that is. It also cites how masks protect against droplets. COVID is spread through AEROSOLS people. Cloth and surgical masks do not help with that.

[Anonymous]

Most of the DC/MD herd is eager to wear masks for the rest of their lives. I was in Whole Foods two days after the mask mandate ended and 95% of people were still wearing them. Truly a pathetic lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

People in this area judge everyone on everything pp. Its what half of dcum is about.

I look at the science and do what I want to do, which right now is wear a very protective mask. If someone judges me, that's their problem.

The politics of masking being what they are, that's easy to say for someone in a liberal who wants to continue wearing a mask. You are following the norms of your tribe (which is mine as well), and of course you won't care what the few true "anti-maskers" will think. Even if you lived in a red area, it would be easy not to care, because you are following what your political tribe has taught you is the right thing to do. It is much harder for liberals to break away from the norms and ditch the mask around here, because they don't want to be suspected of being an "anti-masker" or Trumper, and they don't want to break the social norms of their group. It's sad that it has come to this with masks, but it is the reality.

By the time your sources (the fact that you call them "the science" is revealing because "the science" is anything but unified on this issue - but it's a popular slogan of your tribe) tell you that it's ok to go unmasked, it will be easy for you to do so, because the social norms will have changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

People in this area judge everyone on everything pp. Its what half of dcum is about.

I look at the science and do what I want to do, which right now is wear a very protective mask. If someone judges me, that's their problem.

The politics of masking being what they are, that's easy to say for someone in a liberal who wants to continue wearing a mask. You are following the norms of your tribe (which is mine as well), and of course you won't care what the few true "anti-maskers" will think. Even if you lived in a red area, it would be easy not to care, because you are following what your political tribe has taught you is the right thing to do. It is much harder for liberals to break away from the norms and ditch the mask around here, because they don't want to be suspected of being an "anti-masker" or Trumper, and they don't want to break the social norms of their group. It's sad that it has come to this with masks, but it is the reality.

By the time your sources (the fact that you call them "the science" is revealing because "the science" is anything but unified on this issue - but it's a popular slogan of your tribe) tell you that it's ok to go unmasked, it will be easy for you to do so, because the social norms will have changed.

Well said. It's hubris at this point. "There's no way we could possibly be wrong! The CDC says so!" And we end up being one of the only places in the world still masking our kids in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

For omicron specifically? Can you share which cloth ones are as good?

Not specifically for omicron. I've worn Happy Masks and I've heard and read good things about the masks from enro. I don't know of any research specifically focused on omicron -- vs whatever tests and standards they've been using all along. I'm not saying that it isn't out there, just that I haven't done the work of finding out.

I posted this separately, but this is the most current information that I've read from a solid source about masking in general.


https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/mask-mandates-ending-in-schools?utm_source=YaleToday&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=YT_Yale%20Today%20Alum%20no%20Parents_2-24-2022

This link does not have any information on "Happy Masks", whatever the F that is. It also cites how masks protect against droplets. COVID is spread through AEROSOLS people. Cloth and surgical masks do not help with that.

You might have noticed that I introduced the article as being "about masking in general" -- NOT specifically about Happy Masks. If you're genuinely interested in learning "whatever the F that is", I'm sure that you're more than capable of finding out, either by reading the many mentions of them on this site or through the usual ways of researching things of interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

Literally no.

We will put you down as wearing a cloth mask out of ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

Literally no.

We will put you down as wearing a cloth mask out of ignorance.

+1. It's cute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There actually are "cloth" masks with multiple layers that are comfortable and at least as protective as KN 95s. All of these posters scoffing about cloth masks have no way of knowing just how protective these masks are just by glancing at them in a supermarket, unless they know the brands. It's funny how many people think that this is about peer pressure or being "performative". Until reading this thread I hadn't realized how many presumably educated adults rely on projection -- when healthy curiosity might be a preferable strategy.

What are you talking about? Of course mask wearing in general is about peer pressure for a lot of people. Probably the majority of people in this area are still wearing them only because they don't want to be judged as "anti-maskers". And of course there is peer pressure in schools to wear the "right" masks by kids indoctrinated by their parents. I get you don't want to be judged for wearing your $25 Happy Mask either by people thinking all cloth masks are created equal, so you want them to have "healthy curiosity" about it, but what we really need is to get to a point where nobody judges anybody for the mask they wear or don't wear.

Nope. I make my own decisions as best as I can -- as do most of the people I know. I don't care if some anonymous person "judges" me or not. So: judge away!

You may be the exception, but I guarantee you that most people at this point would stop masking in stores if they weren't worries about what others think - not people on DCUM, but other people out in public with them.

Must be a lot of people who don't care what other's think. I was in the grocery store yesterday and almost everyone was unmasked.