Reinstate School Resource Officers at MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Ok let's just get rid of all doctors because a few are racist. Let's get rid of teachers because a few of them are racists too. Don't get me started because I can go on and on with this list but I don't think you want me to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?

The topic is cops in the school, they don't belong there. You can post 1 good cop that knew he was being recorded at the time. How about cops have to turn on their video as soon as they walk in the school and you can see every interaction... they won't do it thought. Why not, because they treat some kids 1 way and other another. Blair HS did a non-scientific study and sent kids down the hall without a note... white kids never were even approached, black kids got detention. But it was all a set up.

Why even call a cop for behavior that is insane, cops should not deal with behavior, they should deal with crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Ok let's just get rid of all doctors because a few are racist. Let's get rid of teachers because a few of them are racists too. Don't get me started because I can go on and on with this list but I don't think you want me to.

Okay let's get rid of doctors on the football field.
Let's get rid of football players in the operating room.
Let's get rid of teachers acting as nurses.

I'm in...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?

The topic is cops in the school, they don't belong there. You can post 1 good cop that knew he was being recorded at the time. How about cops have to turn on their video as soon as they walk in the school and you can see every interaction... they won't do it thought. Why not, because they treat some kids 1 way and other another. Blair HS did a non-scientific study and sent kids down the hall without a note... white kids never were even approached, black kids got detention. But it was all a set up.

Why even call a cop for behavior that is insane, cops should not deal with behavior, they should deal with crime.

Do you see how insane you sound to say "racism exists so we will no longer protect anyone in school from crime"?

We all know racism exists. Let's discuss solving it and weeding out bad officers, not firing more POC like officer lowery and leaving more poc students to be victimized by violence.

[Anonymous]

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You are trying to tell me that teachers did not know that this child had issues but an SRO in the hallway will?

You think kids confide in SRO's but not in teachers?

You have clearly never worked with/beside/around and SRO.

You can't prevent every.single.thing.

Personally I'd have dogs go through the school and sniff out drugs and guns, but they won't allow it because you know who has drugs? rich white kids

omg.. that's too funny.. you think black and brown kids don't have drugs. Hysterical.

I went to a majority minority HS out west, and the drug deals I saw go down in school was committed by a black guy in my 10th grade English class with another black guy.

Teachers are there to teach, not to stop fights and bullets.

I'm fine with drug sniffing dogs. Do they have gun sniffing dogs? That would be great, too, but I can imagine that the anti-SRO snowflakes would complain that their larlo is afraid of dogs or allergic so we need to get rid of them.

We can't prevent every single thing, but we can do everything possible to prevent this kind of thing happening again, and that includes SROs.

Black and white lids equally use drugs… but alas the enforcement of the laws are not equal.

The W schools won’t allow dogs. So, no dogs.

I’m sure after we sweep a school and arrest a bunch of white lids for drugs/vape pens we might rethink arresting anybody for drugs. See how that works.

oh, now it's blacks and whites use drugs equally, and not "you know who has drugs? rich white kids".

So, when the Damascus rape incident happen, did you say, "We can't stop everything"? Or did you demand action from MCPS to prevent this type of situation from happening again?

BTW, we don't live in a W cluster, and I'm equally happy to have SROs with drug sniffing dogs in all schools. Doesn't bother me at all. How about you?

Well we know black kids have drugs because SRO’s target them for drug arrests.

I’d love dogs in schools. Let’s pilot it at Whitman, WJ and Wootton.

Actually the white male who raped the girl at RM and then was let out on bond, I said that’s easy let’s stop letting rapists out on bond. He was a former cop btw. But that puts lots of white males in jail so that doesn’t work for white male politicians.

Hmm, why didn’t the SRO stop the rape? Got an answer for that one?

Don't you want kids with drugs arrested? Be it black or white. Or are you saying that since rich white kids aren't being arrested for drugs (which is not true btw), that neither should poor black kids? That's some logic.

I'm fine with piloting dogs in the W cluster. Doesn't bother me at all.

What incident are you referring to here -- white cop raping an RM girl at school? I live in the RM cluster. So, this is news to me.

But, let's say that a white cop was let out on bond for rape. Did you know that a lot of men are let out on bond for rape, not just white cops?

This is neither here nor there, and has f*all to do with an SRO, who can be black or white, male or female, in our schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

So… the good SRO can’t possibly represent SROs as a whole, but the two cops berating the child CAN represent all police as a whole? We all see the problem with this logic, correct?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

So… the good SRO can’t possibly represent SROs as a whole, but the two cops berating the child CAN represent all police as a whole? We all see the problem with this logic, correct?

+1 like how if one black boy shoots someone in school does that represent all black boys? Should we assume the worst of the entire group based on the actions of one or two?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now is the time more than ever to sign this petition: https://chng.it/xW9dK4tVP2

Oh, yay! Another useless petition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All students deserve to feel safe at school. We need more bodies in the high schools and I am happy the SRO's will be there and kids will see their presence.

I am not a Trumpie, but I do believe that schools need to feel safe which they don't right now.

It's too bad. Most are rightly more afraid of the police than each other.

They found a 17 year old kid dead in the woods a block from Seneca Valley high school yesterday. You think it was the police?

What? Hadn’t hear this. What is going on in MoCo??

Is there a link for this story?

Unfortunately, it's going on all over the country. All over the world, really. We live in sucky times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

When a police officer violates a department policy, they are subject to internal affairs review. If internal affairs determines that the officer violated policy, they face a variety of punishments. As of right now, internal affairs reviews are not published, but that will be changing soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we all find out that penalties happen more often than we think. It is 100% a misconception that police face no penalties. It is NOT true that there is "zero way to hold them accountable." The civil and criminal court systems still apply to police officers.

Also, I've heard the "covering up for bad police" argument many times over the past couple of years. MCPD has over 1,000 officers. They all serve on shifts (18-20ish officers, but they are currently understaffed). Logically and by the numbers, they can't all work with other bad cops... unless you are attempting to argue that there are so many bad cops that one exists on each shift. I doubt you'd be able to support that with anything other than prejudice. I think if you talked to officers, you'd find they are just as sickened by the bad cops as you are. How do I know? I know many officers.

Internal affairs is utterly toothless. And so long as police can hide behind "qualified immunity", they'll get off scot-free.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

When a police officer violates a department policy, they are subject to internal affairs review. If internal affairs determines that the officer violated policy, they face a variety of punishments. As of right now, internal affairs reviews are not published, but that will be changing soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we all find out that penalties happen more often than we think. It is 100% a misconception that police face no penalties. It is NOT true that there is "zero way to hold them accountable." The civil and criminal court systems still apply to police officers.

Also, I've heard the "covering up for bad police" argument many times over the past couple of years. MCPD has over 1,000 officers. They all serve on shifts (18-20ish officers, but they are currently understaffed). Logically and by the numbers, they can't all work with other bad cops... unless you are attempting to argue that there are so many bad cops that one exists on each shift. I doubt you'd be able to support that with anything other than prejudice. I think if you talked to officers, you'd find they are just as sickened by the bad cops as you are. How do I know? I know many officers.

Internal affairs is utterly toothless. And so long as police can hide behind "qualified immunity", they'll get off scot-free.

What's your source? How do you know internal affairs is "utterly toothless"? Do you have examples of MCPD officers getting off "scot-free"? Since internal affairs cases are currently private, I think you'll have a hard time saying they got off "scot-free" since you don't know what penalties police officers face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?

The topic is cops in the school, they don't belong there. You can post 1 good cop that knew he was being recorded at the time. How about cops have to turn on their video as soon as they walk in the school and you can see every interaction... they won't do it thought. Why not, because they treat some kids 1 way and other another. Blair HS did a non-scientific study and sent kids down the hall without a note... white kids never were even approached, black kids got detention. But it was all a set up.

Why even call a cop for behavior that is insane, cops should not deal with behavior, they should deal with crime.

Can you provide a link to the Blair study? Because my understanding is that it is the security officers (mcps employee, not MCPD) who are responsible for disciplining kids in the hallway without permission. (I think teachers can do this also.). I don’t think that’s generally what the SRO is doing. So you’re pointing out issues of racism or implicit bias in the McPS labor pool, but not an issue that relates specifically to cops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?

The topic is cops in the school, they don't belong there. You can post 1 good cop that knew he was being recorded at the time. How about cops have to turn on their video as soon as they walk in the school and you can see every interaction... they won't do it thought. Why not, because they treat some kids 1 way and other another. Blair HS did a non-scientific study and sent kids down the hall without a note... white kids never were even approached, black kids got detention. But it was all a set up.

Why even call a cop for behavior that is insane, cops should not deal with behavior, they should deal with crime.

Can you provide a link to the Blair study? Because my understanding is that it is the security officers (mcps employee, not MCPD) who are responsible for disciplining kids in the hallway without permission. (I think teachers can do this also.). I don’t think that’s generally what the SRO is doing. So you’re pointing out issues of racism or implicit bias in the McPS labor pool, but not an issue that relates specifically to cops.

+1. Does the “non-scientific study” specifically state it was a school SRO, or was this MCPS staff? Either way, all that study shows is that one particular person is discriminating. You simply can’t take those results and project them on an entire community or profession. Once again, the anti-SRO argument assumes all SROs have bad intentions and its claims are wide-sweeping, with no true evidence or data to back them up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?

The topic is cops in the school, they don't belong there. You can post 1 good cop that knew he was being recorded at the time. How about cops have to turn on their video as soon as they walk in the school and you can see every interaction... they won't do it thought. Why not, because they treat some kids 1 way and other another. Blair HS did a non-scientific study and sent kids down the hall without a note... white kids never were even approached, black kids got detention. But it was all a set up.

Why even call a cop for behavior that is insane, cops should not deal with behavior, they should deal with crime.

Can you provide a link to the Blair study? Because my understanding is that it is the security officers (mcps employee, not MCPD) who are responsible for disciplining kids in the hallway without permission. (I think teachers can do this also.). I don’t think that’s generally what the SRO is doing. So you’re pointing out issues of racism or implicit bias in the McPS labor pool, but not an issue that relates specifically to cops.

+1. Does the “non-scientific study” specifically state it was a school SRO, or was this MCPS staff? Either way, all that study shows is that one particular person is discriminating. You simply can’t take those results and project them on an entire community or profession. Once again, the anti-SRO argument assumes all SROs have bad intentions and its claims are wide-sweeping, with no true evidence or data to back them up.

Yes, it's almost as if the anti-SRO crowd is doing the same thing that racists are guilty of doing by being prejudiced towards all SROs because of experiences they've seen with some cops. What's even worse is that challenging them on this idea is considered racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

So… the good SRO can’t possibly represent SROs as a whole, but the two cops berating the child CAN represent all police as a whole? We all see the problem with this logic, correct?

+1 like how if one black boy shoots someone in school does that represent all black boys? Should we assume the worst of the entire group based on the actions of one or two?

Well, the Black boy who shot someone in school is going to jail. What happened to the abusive cops, again? Nothing. Nothing happened to them.

The difference here is accountability.

Over in the Magruder thread, people are all up in their feelings about a rumor that some kids saw the shooting happen and didn't report it. Now replace "kids" with "fellow police officers" and you get how many of us feel about American law enforcement.

"Snitches get stitched" and "the blue wall of silence" are the exact. same. thing. Except one of these groups is paid with tax dollars and is completely unaccountable to the citizens they serve.