Reinstate School Resource Officers at MCPS

[Anonymous]

For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

[Anonymous]

One thing is certain: we need SRos back in our schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

Who had culpability at Magruder?

The principal who lied?
The teacher who broke protocol?
The staff who surely overheard the fight plan?
The kids who witnessed the crime?

Zero accountability in school.
Zero.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I met an SRO once who had a girl tell him her dad had killed his gf and was keeping the body in their basement. She didn’t know who else to tell but trusted the SRO. Good SROs hear things from kids. A kid knows they can go to an SRO and say “I heard that Larlo and Tarlo have a beef in the bathroom at lunch but you didn’t hear it from me” and know the SRO won’t have to give up their name—a school counselor might and also probably wouldn’t know how to stop a fight between two kids that are really dangerous.

I 100% agree that they should have more training. All cops should have more training, especially in things that go beyond firearms. Most cops do want more training. Believe it or not most want to do their jobs better and have fewer negative and dangerous interactions with the community. They really don’t want to be hated. Police departments are so incredibly understaffed — and the top tier is often lacking in imagination—that no one has time/energy to put in training. I’d so much rather see a movement to professionalize thr PD rather than defund it.

I also feel like we need a community decision about what SROs should do. If we don’t want the SROs to worry about misdemeanors like drug possession, we should just tell them that. I don’t really know where we are as a community on things like teen drug possession, but as a community it’s up to us to determine what the laws should be and how they should be enforced. Don’t blame the SROs if we tell them we want kids arrested for pot possession, and then they arrest kids for pot possssion (which it does NOT sound like they do.)

If you can train a 120lb female cop to stop fights you can train a counselor to stop fights. SROs do not need to be cops, perhaps they are not counselors, they need to be SROs.

Counselors are not going to stop fights and if you put the responsibility on us, we won't be working in schools at all.

[Anonymous]

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You are trying to tell me that teachers did not know that this child had issues but an SRO in the hallway will?

You think kids confide in SRO's but not in teachers?

You have clearly never worked with/beside/around and SRO.

You can't prevent every.single.thing.

Personally I'd have dogs go through the school and sniff out drugs and guns, but they won't allow it because you know who has drugs? rich white kids

omg.. that's too funny.. you think black and brown kids don't have drugs. Hysterical.

I went to a majority minority HS out west, and the drug deals I saw go down in school was committed by a black guy in my 10th grade English class with another black guy.

Teachers are there to teach, not to stop fights and bullets.

I'm fine with drug sniffing dogs. Do they have gun sniffing dogs? That would be great, too, but I can imagine that the anti-SRO snowflakes would complain that their larlo is afraid of dogs or allergic so we need to get rid of them.

We can't prevent every single thing, but we can do everything possible to prevent this kind of thing happening again, and that includes SROs.

Black and white lids equally use drugs… but alas the enforcement of the laws are not equal.

The W schools won’t allow dogs. So, no dogs.

I’m sure after we sweep a school and arrest a bunch of white lids for drugs/vape pens we might rethink arresting anybody for drugs. See how that works.

oh, now it's blacks and whites use drugs equally, and not "you know who has drugs? rich white kids".

So, when the Damascus rape incident happen, did you say, "We can't stop everything"? Or did you demand action from MCPS to prevent this type of situation from happening again?

BTW, we don't live in a W cluster, and I'm equally happy to have SROs with drug sniffing dogs in all schools. Doesn't bother me at all. How about you?

Well we know black kids have drugs because SRO’s target them for drug arrests.

I’d love dogs in schools. Let’s pilot it at Whitman, WJ and Wootton.

Actually the white male who raped the girl at RM and then was let out on bond, I said that’s easy let’s stop letting rapists out on bond. He was a former cop btw. But that puts lots of white males in jail so that doesn’t work for white male politicians.

Hmm, why didn’t the SRO stop the rape? Got an answer for that one?

I'm confused.
Upthread someone said SROs don't have arrest power, and here you say SROs target certain kids for arrest.

[Anonymous]

As a reminder, Montgomery County's police chief is black and very well respected. He has a son who is a high school teacher in MCPS. Does that solve everything? no. But to make crazy claims that all blacks are targeted in schools by all SRO's is just not accurate.

We need more people in the schools. I would be okay with parents, counselors, or police officers. Really, anyone whose interests lie in creating peace and order in the buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

When a police officer violates a department policy, they are subject to internal affairs review. If internal affairs determines that the officer violated policy, they face a variety of punishments. As of right now, internal affairs reviews are not published, but that will be changing soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we all find out that penalties happen more often than we think. It is 100% a misconception that police face no penalties. It is NOT true that there is "zero way to hold them accountable." The civil and criminal court systems still apply to police officers.

Also, I've heard the "covering up for bad police" argument many times over the past couple of years. MCPD has over 1,000 officers. They all serve on shifts (18-20ish officers, but they are currently understaffed). Logically and by the numbers, they can't all work with other bad cops... unless you are attempting to argue that there are so many bad cops that one exists on each shift. I doubt you'd be able to support that with anything other than prejudice. I think if you talked to officers, you'd find they are just as sickened by the bad cops as you are. How do I know? I know many officers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

When a police officer violates a department policy, they are subject to internal affairs review. If internal affairs determines that the officer violated policy, they face a variety of punishments. As of right now, internal affairs reviews are not published, but that will be changing soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we all find out that penalties happen more often than we think. It is 100% a misconception that police face no penalties. It is NOT true that there is "zero way to hold them accountable." The civil and criminal court systems still apply to police officers.

Also, I've heard the "covering up for bad police" argument many times over the past couple of years. MCPD has over 1,000 officers. They all serve on shifts (18-20ish officers, but they are currently understaffed). Logically and by the numbers, they can't all work with other bad cops... unless you are attempting to argue that there are so many bad cops that one exists on each shift. I doubt you'd be able to support that with anything other than prejudice. I think if you talked to officers, you'd find they are just as sickened by the bad cops as you are. How do I know? I know many officers.

I don't think there are necessarily multiple bad cops per shift, but the last decade of cell phone footage of cops behaving badly has - more often than not - turned up a bunch of other cops watching it happen. Do I think every cop is Derek Chauvin? No. Do I think every cop is J Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao? I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me the SRO question comes down to accountability - police have none.

So, if you tell me I have to put my children in the room with someone who might be great or might be a monster, but if they ARE a monster, there is zero way to hold them accountable? I'm going to choose no thank you.

Reform the police, create some accountability for bad cops, change the culture of covering up for bad police and then we can talk about putting them back in schools.

When a police officer violates a department policy, they are subject to internal affairs review. If internal affairs determines that the officer violated policy, they face a variety of punishments. As of right now, internal affairs reviews are not published, but that will be changing soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we all find out that penalties happen more often than we think. It is 100% a misconception that police face no penalties. It is NOT true that there is "zero way to hold them accountable." The civil and criminal court systems still apply to police officers.

Also, I've heard the "covering up for bad police" argument many times over the past couple of years. MCPD has over 1,000 officers. They all serve on shifts (18-20ish officers, but they are currently understaffed). Logically and by the numbers, they can't all work with other bad cops... unless you are attempting to argue that there are so many bad cops that one exists on each shift. I doubt you'd be able to support that with anything other than prejudice. I think if you talked to officers, you'd find they are just as sickened by the bad cops as you are. How do I know? I know many officers.

I don't think there are necessarily multiple bad cops per shift, but the last decade of cell phone footage of cops behaving badly has - more often than not - turned up a bunch of other cops watching it happen. Do I think every cop is Derek Chauvin? No. Do I think every cop is J Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao? I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe otherwise.

I am sincerely sorry that is your worldview. I'm equally sorry for the many, many good officers who leave their homes every day hoping to make a positive difference. They'll continue to act honorably and serve faithfully, regardless of what people think of them. How do I know? Because my spouse is one of them. He is not a J Kueng, Thomas Lane, or Tou Thao. You're welcome to think that of him, and he'll still come to your defense when it's needed. You can fight against him through your votes, eroding his ability to protect himself and limiting his safety through staffing cuts. He'll still help you, as will his colleagues.

This is where the thread ends for me. Those who hate SROs will always hate SROs and police officers because they paint all of them with the same brush. Facts, statistics, and personal accounts that don't fit a narrative will be ignored.

[Anonymous]

For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

[Anonymous]

Discipline and the responsibility of raising kids well begins at home. I completely support SROs because I know that my kids will not be taking guns and knives to their school. I know that my kids will not be distributing drugs in school and I know that my kids are not hallway bullies. So bring back SROs. They will protect my kids from all those other "bad" kids and will let them do what they go to school for: study and socialize with other like minded kids.

[Anonymous]

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You are trying to tell me that teachers did not know that this child had issues but an SRO in the hallway will?

You think kids confide in SRO's but not in teachers?

You have clearly never worked with/beside/around and SRO.

You can't prevent every.single.thing.

Personally I'd have dogs go through the school and sniff out drugs and guns, but they won't allow it because you know who has drugs? rich white kids

omg.. that's too funny.. you think black and brown kids don't have drugs. Hysterical.

I went to a majority minority HS out west, and the drug deals I saw go down in school was committed by a black guy in my 10th grade English class with another black guy.

Teachers are there to teach, not to stop fights and bullets.

I'm fine with drug sniffing dogs. Do they have gun sniffing dogs? That would be great, too, but I can imagine that the anti-SRO snowflakes would complain that their larlo is afraid of dogs or allergic so we need to get rid of them.

We can't prevent every single thing, but we can do everything possible to prevent this kind of thing happening again, and that includes SROs.

Black and white lids equally use drugs… but alas the enforcement of the laws are not equal.

The W schools won’t allow dogs. So, no dogs.

I’m sure after we sweep a school and arrest a bunch of white lids for drugs/vape pens we might rethink arresting anybody for drugs. See how that works.

oh, now it's blacks and whites use drugs equally, and not "you know who has drugs? rich white kids".

So, when the Damascus rape incident happen, did you say, "We can't stop everything"? Or did you demand action from MCPS to prevent this type of situation from happening again?

BTW, we don't live in a W cluster, and I'm equally happy to have SROs with drug sniffing dogs in all schools. Doesn't bother me at all. How about you?

Well we know black kids have drugs because SRO’s target them for drug arrests.

I’d love dogs in schools. Let’s pilot it at Whitman, WJ and Wootton.

Actually the white male who raped the girl at RM and then was let out on bond, I said that’s easy let’s stop letting rapists out on bond. He was a former cop btw. But that puts lots of white males in jail so that doesn’t work for white male politicians.

Hmm, why didn’t the SRO stop the rape? Got an answer for that one?

I'm confused.
Upthread someone said SROs don't have arrest power, and here you say SROs target certain kids for arrest.

No they said SRO's should not have arrest powers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

A student in this video from years ago, unprompted, said students go to officer Lowery and tell him about fights beforehand.

That should answer the question previously asked, "how would an SRO have changed things at Magruder. "

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think SROs are bad for students, please watch this video of the SRO at Quince Orchard a few years ago and the impact he had in the community. Even Craig Rice, council member knew the importance of SROs.
https://youtu.be/u-Bi8r2q4qw

That is 1 SRO who does not represent the all SROs.

Post the video of the cops berating a 5 year old. Cops should not be with kids.

Why? Those weren't SROS. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?