CogAT score is here

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WS pyramid. No scores/e-mail/letter, yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I received my son's scores today (FCPS - Oakton pyramid). What Composite(VQN) score is FCPS using this year as the cutoff? The form does not show how he compared locally under the "Local Scores" section.

You're going to have to ask AAP central office ([e-mail]), because they prepared the pool and apparently shared their methodology with no one. Or you can put in a VFOIA request for it (https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/policies-regulations-and-notices/virginia-freedom-information-act-vfoia/freedom).

Is it ridiculous that the pool is a black box to everyone but Gatehouse? I think so.

It's definitely frustrating as a parent but not really surprising when you think about it. Think about what would happen if they published the norms. There would be an immediate hierarchy at the center schools. Kids would be saying things like, "Larla isn't as smart as me because she came from (insert name of Title I school here) and my mom told me their pool cut-off was only 120. At (insert name of high-SES school) you have to be really smart to get into AAP."

Right, but that's also because there's a grain of truth to it. Using building norms as the standard seems to rest on the false presumption that the 85th (or 90th or Xth) percentile students at school A are always going to be just as ready and in need of AAP services as the equivalent percentile students at school B.

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By the same token some schools are going to have a greater percentage of kids needing SN, ESOL, FARMS, or other services... I certainly wouldn't lobby that those programs should be equally pro-rated per school, so not getting the logic on why AAP or any other programs the school offers would be either. Meet kids where they're at based on their needs, and lift them up from there... but don't set arbitrary school-by-school thresholds for that, yeesh.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I received my son's scores today (FCPS - Oakton pyramid). What Composite(VQN) score is FCPS using this year as the cutoff? The form does not show how he compared locally under the "Local Scores" section.

You're going to have to ask AAP central office ([e-mail]), because they prepared the pool and apparently shared their methodology with no one. Or you can put in a VFOIA request for it (https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/policies-regulations-and-notices/virginia-freedom-information-act-vfoia/freedom).

Is it ridiculous that the pool is a black box to everyone but Gatehouse? I think so.

It's definitely frustrating as a parent but not really surprising when you think about it. Think about what would happen if they published the norms. There would be an immediate hierarchy at the center schools. Kids would be saying things like, "Larla isn't as smart as me because she came from (insert name of Title I school here) and my mom told me their pool cut-off was only 120. At (insert name of high-SES school) you have to be really smart to get into AAP."

Right, but that's also because there's a grain of truth to it. Using building norms as the standard seems to rest on the false presumption that the 85th (or 90th or Xth) percentile students at school A are always going to be just as ready and in need of AAP services as the equivalent percentile students at school B.

But you can't really assume that scores are a good proxy for intelligence when you're talking about ESL students, for example. Or FARMS. They may not be as ready but lots of these kids are just as smart or smarter than their counterparts in the Langley pyramid. They just haven't had the opportunity to meet their full potential.

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That’s fine, so either (a) these kids, although bright, aren’t ready for AAP because they need to develop language skills or get caught up and we should have targeted services to support that, or (b) the AAP program is flexible enough already to accommodate those kids without shortchanging those who don’t need the additional support/services. The answer is not to hold back other kids or pretend that all schools have the same ratio of kids at whatever ability or intelligence level is deemed appropriate for AAP.

[Anonymous]

There are always going to be kids with a need for differentiation, regardless of the school. The kid at a Title I school who scores a 125 in a class of kids who average 100, is as much in need of service as the kid at a high-SES school who scores 145 in a class that averages 120.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s up on SIS now. Ugh, my kid bombed it.

Ugh - so sorry. Surprised posted on a weekend! What pyramid?

Oakton pyramid.

Oakton pyramid here and ours isn't on SIS yet

3rd grade is up. 2nd is not.

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Ours came home in backpacks today - Westfields Pyramid

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Anonymous wrote:WS pyramid. No scores/e-mail/letter, yet.

Same!
I am looking for my second grader.

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Anonymous wrote:WS pyramid. No scores/e-mail/letter, yet.

Same!
I am looking for my second grader.

Falls church pyramid, received CogAT by mail today.

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Anonymous wrote:WS pyramid. No scores/e-mail/letter, yet.

Same!
I am looking for my second grader.

I still don’t have a score for my second grader.