Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted the SPA 5015 to Shrevewood and other SPA changes not in any given scenario. The point of the exercise was all the schools are below 100%.

Marshall deserves a solid 100% ES feeder not in contention to be Madison. FCHS capacity will be 2500 fresh renovation with NO modular and trailers required for the POS.

Scenario 4 utilization:
Marshall- 2018 modular 95%, 12 classrooms CIP. No modular 100%
Mclean -2021 relocated a used modular, 12 classrooms + 4 trailers CIP. 100%, no modular 115%.
Falls Church at 2500-87%.

All of Freedom Hill goes to Marshall. All of Stenwood goes to Marshall, even if it splits to Thoreau and Kilmer in MS. If/when Dunn Loring gets built, it's likely 100% Marshall as well.

Assuming the Westbriar/Wolftrap changes are undone, it will also has four split feeders that are well over 2/3 Marshall - Westgate, Lemon Road, Shrevewood, and Westbriar - and two split feeders that are mostly Madison - Wolftrap and Cunningham Park. The small piece of Vienna now at Marshall seems likely to move to Madison; no one is really taking issue with that.

I guess I don't see the problem for Marshall here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted the SPA 5015 to Shrevewood and other SPA changes not in any given scenario. The point of the exercise was all the schools are below 100%.

Marshall deserves a solid 100% ES feeder not in contention to be Madison. FCHS capacity will be 2500 fresh renovation with NO modular and trailers required for the POS.

Scenario 4 utilization:
Marshall- 2018 modular 95%, 12 classrooms CIP. No modular 100%
Mclean -2021 relocated a used modular, 12 classrooms + 4 trailers CIP. 100%, no modular 115%.
Falls Church at 2500-87%.

Less controversial would be to SPA 5015 to Haycock. That keeps those kids in the McLean pyramid. Then rework TL, GR, and PS without involving Shrevewood. Existing TL/McLean kids continue to split to McLean. You are not moving that island out of McLean. It’s a dead end.

Given the locations of Timber Lane, Graham Road, and Pine Spring, and the likely number of kids in certain SPAs, I don't think they can do what they want to do for Graham Road (i.e., put it within its attendance area) without moving some Timber Lane kids to Shrevewood. The main choice is really between what they proposed in Scenarios 3 and 4. Scenario 3 has another 72 kids south of Route 29 moving to Timber Lane, whereas Scenario 4 handed these kids to Pine Spring and turned Kingsley Commons into an attendance island.

Pine Spring was losing its own attendance island further east (it went to Westlawn in Scenario 3 and to Graham Road, which made more sense, in Scenario 4), and they didn't like what Scenario 3 did to Pine Spring's demographics. It seems quite possible that the Falls Church reps on the BRAC made a deal with the McLean reps that they would support Timber Lane north of 29 staying at McLean/Longfellow as long as the McLean reps agreed Pine Spring could have the single-family areas south of Route 29 and north of Kingsley Commons. If that was the horse trading involved, it wasn't undertaken with the best interests of Kingsley Commons in mind.

Someone needs to ask if moving Graham Road within its attendance area is really that important. They started out wanting to put Bailey's Upper ES and Whitman MS within their attendance areas, and then they backed off doing that. If they leave Graham Road outside its attendance area, the people at "new" Graham Road will be unhappy, but they don't have to move anyone into Shrevewood, and everyone at Timber Lane north of Route 29 can continue on to Longfellow/McLean.

But if they do insist on putting Graham Road within its attendance area, with the consequences that entails, they really ought to move the 72 kids who were at Timber Lane in Scenario 3 and Pine Spring in Scenario 4 back to Timber Lane to avoid creating a new Kingsley Commons island.

[Anonymous]

There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

“Everyone is upset except those who aren’t.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Unfortunately she will never leave. Queen of her own kingdom will a doting SB. Not to mention a full-time security detail. I wonder when she will begin to wear her crown and robe and carry her scepter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

This is 💯 what’s going to happen. SB members will take credit for moving neighborhoods that have been asking for it. The problem is, SB members are alienating much of their constituency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

+1. And when the dust settles few will be better off but thousands of kids will be devastated being forced to leave friends, teachers, coaches, and community.

Then we do it all again in a couple of years and then every couple of years in perpetuity.

I hate the school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Not necessarily.

Sangster is upset about getting moved to a school virtually equal to WSHS in every metric, that 80% of their community attends and is only 1 mile ish difference in commute time.

People don't want to change schools, even if the schools are equal and attending the new school makes far more sense than their current school, the move fixes overcrowding in the least disruptive way possible for the current overcrowded high school, and the new school is more of a community school for them than attending the school they are currently assigned to.

Rezoning is NOT welcome by the community, even when it makes perfect sense and the new school is equal or better, like the Sangster split feeder and a few other schools.


I think a better observation is that the only people happy with rezoning are those getting moved to a *significantly* better high school, such as the Rolling Valley neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Not necessarily.

Sangster is upset about getting moved to a school virtually equal to WSHS in every metric, that 80% of their community attends and is only 1 mile ish difference in commute time.

People don't want to change schools, even if the schools are equal and attending the new school makes far more sense than their current school, the move fixes overcrowding in the least disruptive way possible for the current overcrowded high school, and the new school is more of a community school for them than attending the school they are currently assigned to.

Rezoning is NOT welcome by the community, even when it makes perfect sense and the new school is equal or better, like the Sangster split feeder and a few other schools.


I think a better observation is that the only people happy with rezoning are those getting moved to a *significantly* better high school, such as the Rolling Valley neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Yep, and even if the parents like the move to the significantly better school, the kids typically do not because they have established communities. The boundary review comes at significant mental health costs to our students.

Turns out that the vast majority of families just don’t want to be moved. If only the school board would listen to that message.

[Anonymous]

How is the whole Wolftrap/Westbriar situation shaking out? Has anyone gone back to the Wolftrap families who thought they'd be moving to Madison and told them "never mind"? Or conveyed a new plan for the ridiculous ES/MS/HS attendance island Scenario 4 proposes for Westbriar?

[Anonymous]

When will the new maps be released ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will the new maps be released ?

Probably not until after Thanksgiving. I think Reid gets the final Thru/BRAC draft on 11/24. I don’t know if that will be released as scenario 5, or if Reid will make her tweaks before presenting it to the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Not necessarily.

Sangster is upset about getting moved to a school virtually equal to WSHS in every metric, that 80% of their community attends and is only 1 mile ish difference in commute time.

People don't want to change schools, even if the schools are equal and attending the new school makes far more sense than their current school, the move fixes overcrowding in the least disruptive way possible for the current overcrowded high school, and the new school is more of a community school for them than attending the school they are currently assigned to.

Rezoning is NOT welcome by the community, even when it makes perfect sense and the new school is equal or better, like the Sangster split feeder and a few other schools.


I think a better observation is that the only people happy with rezoning are those getting moved to a *significantly* better high school, such as the Rolling Valley neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Yep, and even if the parents like the move to the significantly better school, the kids typically do not because they have established communities. The boundary review comes at significant mental health costs to our students.

Turns out that the vast majority of families just don’t want to be moved. If only the school board would listen to that message.

But everyone can't just get what they want. That is how we end up with situations like West Potomac. Expanded when space was available next door at Mt. Vernon. Someone has to look out for the whole picture and the taxpayer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Not necessarily.

Sangster is upset about getting moved to a school virtually equal to WSHS in every metric, that 80% of their community attends and is only 1 mile ish difference in commute time.

People don't want to change schools, even if the schools are equal and attending the new school makes far more sense than their current school, the move fixes overcrowding in the least disruptive way possible for the current overcrowded high school, and the new school is more of a community school for them than attending the school they are currently assigned to.

Rezoning is NOT welcome by the community, even when it makes perfect sense and the new school is equal or better, like the Sangster split feeder and a few other schools.


I think a better observation is that the only people happy with rezoning are those getting moved to a *significantly* better high school, such as the Rolling Valley neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Yep, and even if the parents like the move to the significantly better school, the kids typically do not because they have established communities. The boundary review comes at significant mental health costs to our students.

Turns out that the vast majority of families just don’t want to be moved. If only the school board would listen to that message.

But everyone can't just get what they want. That is how we end up with situations like West Potomac. Expanded when space was available next door at Mt. Vernon. Someone has to look out for the whole picture and the taxpayer.

The taxpayers do not want boundary changes and prefer adding capacity rather than reshuffling kids. They've made this clear when they've voted for School Board members, voted for school bonds, and spoken up in the earlier review of the FCPS boundary policy.

The current School Board ignored this because they got giddy with the idea that they could effect equity-driven boundary changes at schools like Langley by claiming the changes were driven by cost and efficiency considerations. Then they got cold feet, as they always do, and now we're left with this sad little turd of a "county-wide" boundary review that wasn't necessary in the first place. Their focus always should have been on Coates, but by undertaking this larger fiasco they delayed relief at Coates for at least a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many families upset at the boundary changes. The only ones that seem to be happy are those that are being moved to a school that they view as better than the one they are assigned to. Reid is going to move forward with these changes, talk about how she was able to re-district one of the largest school systems in the country...and then leave FCPS with us living and sorting out the mess.

Not necessarily.

Sangster is upset about getting moved to a school virtually equal to WSHS in every metric, that 80% of their community attends and is only 1 mile ish difference in commute time.

People don't want to change schools, even if the schools are equal and attending the new school makes far more sense than their current school, the move fixes overcrowding in the least disruptive way possible for the current overcrowded high school, and the new school is more of a community school for them than attending the school they are currently assigned to.

Rezoning is NOT welcome by the community, even when it makes perfect sense and the new school is equal or better, like the Sangster split feeder and a few other schools.


I think a better observation is that the only people happy with rezoning are those getting moved to a *significantly* better high school, such as the Rolling Valley neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Yep, and even if the parents like the move to the significantly better school, the kids typically do not because they have established communities. The boundary review comes at significant mental health costs to our students.

Turns out that the vast majority of families just don’t want to be moved. If only the school board would listen to that message.

But everyone can't just get what they want. That is how we end up with situations like West Potomac. Expanded when space was available next door at Mt. Vernon. Someone has to look out for the whole picture and the taxpayer.

The taxpayers do not want boundary changes and prefer adding capacity rather than reshuffling kids. They've made this clear when they've voted for School Board members, voted for school bonds, and spoken up in the earlier review of the FCPS boundary policy.

The current School Board ignored this because they got giddy with the idea that they could effect equity-driven boundary changes at schools like Langley by claiming the changes were driven by cost and efficiency considerations. Then they got cold feet, as they always do, and now we're left with this sad little turd of a "county-wide" boundary review that wasn't necessary in the first place. Their focus always should have been on Coates, but by undertaking this larger fiasco they delayed relief at Coates for at least a year.

Umm Coates is being fixed in this boundary review and with the exact same timeline as it would’ve been had it been done by itself.