Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republican SB candidates who aren't religious or MaGa nutters do fine in Fairfax---Moon was a republican who was reelected many times.

Exactly. I voted for the progressive candidate last time because the alternative was a far-right nutjob running entirely on a platform of keeping transgender youth out of bathrooms of their choice. No talk whatsoever about actual educational policies. Believe me, I would love to have a moderately conservative candidate. Or even - gasp - a competition nonpolitical candidate who isn't clearly aligned with either left or right.

Yeah. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s one troll who is the grammar police. It really takes away from the points being made and not being made on both sides of this. Just stop.

I’m firmly against Hayfield but attacking grammar and English is petty and weak.

It’s not one “troll.” There are many of us who cannot understand the Hayfield boosters comments because of the poor grammar and lack of punctuation.

You play right into their racist claims by doing this. When Reid and other people involved read this board - which they do - it doesn’t help.

Bad grammar is racist?
I thought it indicates ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Kids not playing tonight would not be to punish Hayfield or as a snub to Reid. It would be to take a stand that the rules matter. It also would shine bigger light on this story. Agree with others who say FCPS likely hoping the holidays just push this out of the minds of those NOT frustrated with VHSL.

[Anonymous]

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hayfield is in a bad spot, me personally if I was the HC I have all types of motivational speeches to use. Against any of these 6 coaches teams, you wanted to paint me in the bad guy role, I’d embrace it. I’d def try and put up as many points as possible on any of these 6.
I’d motivate my kids in the fact there are people who have tried to take something away from us(team) that they worked bled and sweat for on the field. That’s the coach and human nature in me.
If they run it up it adds more fuel to the burning fire. Any margin of victory greater than that of what score was in regular season game comes off as the coach is what they said he was.

#nowinsituation

"me personally if I was the HC..."

For the Freefield kids, it sure seems like a good thing you aren't. You somehow seem less qualified to be around adolescents than Overton and the Freefield parents, and that is saying something.

Yea no time for kids when Mommy Winston keeps my time pretty filled up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was incredibly offended by her email and I'm just a random parent of middle schoolers casually following the story.

She likes to send out very long emails that don't say much but I hadn't realized how disingenuous they are until this one. I'm going to have trouble believing anything she says from here on.

I have followed this story very closely as the parent of an FCPS HS football player and feel well-versed in the facts of the case. Given all the one-sided information, misleading information and outright misinformation in that email...it makes me wonder what else she has been dishonest about. Why is she talking about eligibility and not Proselytizing and sportsmanship? Why is she pretending that everyone agrees with her? Every parent I talk to is shocked and appalled that FCPS basically fought against VHSL.

The HS students are all over this story and following every event. My daughter wanted to write an article for the school paper and the journalism teacher said yes and the principal got wind of it and shut it down, said it was too controversil..

FCPs didn't fight VHSL. You're misinformed talking about misinformation. Hayfield appealed rhe decision. Then parents sued VHSL.

FCPS' lawyer ran Hayfields appeals. FCPS' same lawyer represented the families in court.

So. They used the same lawyer. If I hire the same lawyer my neighbor did to sue McDonalds it does not mean my neighbor is suing McDonalds. People just do not think.

[Anonymous]

You know what, I’m going to apologize for that last comment, as it was totally inappropriate and unnecessary.
But it’s obvious you were a book worm and no nothing about sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s one troll who is the grammar police. It really takes away from the points being made and not being made on both sides of this. Just stop.

I’m firmly against Hayfield but attacking grammar and English is petty and weak.

It’s not one “troll.” There are many of us who cannot understand the Hayfield boosters comments because of the poor grammar and lack of punctuation.

You play right into their racist claims by doing this. When Reid and other people involved read this board - which they do - it doesn’t help.

Grammar and spelling rules are racist?

You think you are clever, but you are clueless. Carry on feeling smug.

Carry on being stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people were maga, they would support hayfield and FCPS violating rules and fair play.

I voted for Trump 3x (really as a protest, given Va polls). And I think Overton and the Hayfield principal should be fired immediately. So, it doesn’t break the way you think.

Exactly. MAGA would never support a bunch of black kids. Are you nuts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop making this political. This is about fair play and expecting the superintendent to care about all FCPS kids, not just Hayfield’s.

You are right that the problem is not political, but the solution necessarily involves politics. B/c the SB has to change to get some accountability from Gatehouse. The current lot backs Reid 100%, which is why she felt comfortable sending that ridiculous letter. If this thread doesn’t realize this, then you are all just spitting into the wind.

BTW, this is a great thread w/a lot passion, but relatively small potatoes compared to the real damage coming out of Gatehouse. Go visit some of threads on skills based grading (SBG), those will make your head spin.

told ya!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids not playing tonight would not be to punish Hayfield or as a snub to Reid. It would be to take a stand that the rules matter. It also would shine bigger light on this story. Agree with others who say FCPS likely hoping the holidays just push this out of the minds of those NOT frustrated with VHSL.

If it doesn’t stop the WHOLE state playoffs what does it truly accomplish. They will advance and still play other teams later on. The schools forfeiting looks bad on FCPS for sure and those coaches lose their job, that’s for sure

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honest question: Why would Reid cover the truth up if there was evidence that Hayfield cheated? How does she and FCPS benefit? They investigated and found no evidence. Did they not look hard enough? Or is she right that this is all just about malicious rumors?

She keeps conflating the two issues at play here. FCPS investigated "eligibility" (e.g. were kids living where they said they were etc.). They cleared entire program stating that all 15-30 (or however many) transfers met FCPS eligibility guidelines. Unclear how exhaustive that investigation was and many people have pointed out its flaws but let's stipulate.

VHSL's ban was for an ENTIRELY different reason - recruiting (or "proselytizing" as it's unhelpfully called in their rules) - i.e., that Hayfield coaches/administrations inappropriately approached players about transferring to Hayfield district. It was this blatant breaking of VHSL rules that resulted in post-season ban. VHSL just tripped up on its own process (it was supposed to enact original punishment by committee vote versus individual decision) - which is typical jurisprudence nonsense these days resulted in injunction until Dec 4th.

Why Reid cannot just say this is beyond me. i.e., we looked into one thing, cleared them and VHSL not disputing. VHSL looked into something else and found violations. She seems to be saying we looked into our thing and so everything else should be disregarded and tripling down on bad behavior and injustice for 180,000 - 2000 students.

This is because FCPS has no rule against proselytizing because they run schools and not sports. So, there is nothing FCPS can do about a VHSL violation. They did not violate any FCPS rule. So she can't say well they violate VHSL so we have to punish them. VHSL punishes those who violate their rules which they did but lost in Court and will be revisted on Dec. 4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honest question: Why would Reid cover the truth up if there was evidence that Hayfield cheated? How does she and FCPS benefit? They investigated and found no evidence. Did they not look hard enough? Or is she right that this is all just about malicious rumors?

She keeps conflating the two issues at play here. FCPS investigated "eligibility" (e.g. were kids living where they said they were etc.). They cleared entire program stating that all 15-30 (or however many) transfers met FCPS eligibility guidelines. Unclear how exhaustive that investigation was and many people have pointed out its flaws but let's stipulate.

VHSL's ban was for an ENTIRELY different reason - recruiting (or "proselytizing" as it's unhelpfully called in their rules) - i.e., that Hayfield coaches/administrations inappropriately approached players about transferring to Hayfield district. It was this blatant breaking of VHSL rules that resulted in post-season ban. VHSL just tripped up on its own process (it was supposed to enact original punishment by committee vote versus individual decision) - which is typical jurisprudence nonsense these days resulted in injunction until Dec 4th.

Why Reid cannot just say this is beyond me. i.e., we looked into one thing, cleared them and VHSL not disputing. VHSL looked into something else and found violations. She seems to be saying we looked into our thing and so everything else should be disregarded and tripling down on bad behavior and injustice for 180,000 - 2000 students.

This is because FCPS has no rule against proselytizing because they run schools and not sports. So, there is nothing FCPS can do about a VHSL violation. They did not violate any FCPS rule. So she can't say well they violate VHSL so we have to punish them. VHSL punishes those who violate their rules which they did but lost in Court and will be revisted on Dec. 4

"revisited"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids not playing tonight would not be to punish Hayfield or as a snub to Reid. It would be to take a stand that the rules matter. It also would shine bigger light on this story. Agree with others who say FCPS likely hoping the holidays just push this out of the minds of those NOT frustrated with VHSL.

If it doesn’t stop the WHOLE state playoffs what does it truly accomplish. They will advance and still play other teams later on. The schools forfeiting looks bad on FCPS for sure and those coaches lose their job, that’s for sure

The coaches would not lose their jobs.

The schools forfeiting DOES shine a light on FCPS's malfeasance, which is the point. Not playing sends a message about integrity and standing up for whats right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids not playing tonight would not be to punish Hayfield or as a snub to Reid. It would be to take a stand that the rules matter. It also would shine bigger light on this story. Agree with others who say FCPS likely hoping the holidays just push this out of the minds of those NOT frustrated with VHSL.

If it doesn’t stop the WHOLE state playoffs what does it truly accomplish. They will advance and still play other teams later on. The schools forfeiting looks bad on FCPS for sure and those coaches lose their job, that’s for sure

The coaches should not make the call. Should be players (and their parents). If they do play tonight, this is over and just accept Reid’s position is the final one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honest question: Why would Reid cover the truth up if there was evidence that Hayfield cheated? How does she and FCPS benefit? They investigated and found no evidence. Did they not look hard enough? Or is she right that this is all just about malicious rumors?

She keeps conflating the two issues at play here. FCPS investigated "eligibility" (e.g. were kids living where they said they were etc.). They cleared entire program stating that all 15-30 (or however many) transfers met FCPS eligibility guidelines. Unclear how exhaustive that investigation was and many people have pointed out its flaws but let's stipulate.

VHSL's ban was for an ENTIRELY different reason - recruiting (or "proselytizing" as it's unhelpfully called in their rules) - i.e., that Hayfield coaches/administrations inappropriately approached players about transferring to Hayfield district. It was this blatant breaking of VHSL rules that resulted in post-season ban. VHSL just tripped up on its own process (it was supposed to enact original punishment by committee vote versus individual decision) - which is typical jurisprudence nonsense these days resulted in injunction until Dec 4th.

Why Reid cannot just say this is beyond me. i.e., we looked into one thing, cleared them and VHSL not disputing. VHSL looked into something else and found violations. She seems to be saying we looked into our thing and so everything else should be disregarded and tripling down on bad behavior and injustice for 180,000 - 2000 students.

This is because FCPS has no rule against proselytizing because they run schools and not sports. So, there is nothing FCPS can do about a VHSL violation. They did not violate any FCPS rule. So she can't say well they violate VHSL so we have to punish them. VHSL punishes those who violate their rules which they did but lost in Court and will be revisted on Dec. 4

An obvious problem here is that Reid and Gatehouse and fcps's private law firm have been working hard in Hayfield's favor. Reid's own email is shockingly biased in favor of Hayfield's POV.