Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

Kilmer MS
Design Capacity: 1152
Design Capacity with Modular: 1422
Program Capacity: 791
Program Capacity with Modular: 1023
Trailers: 4/Modular Classrooms: 10
Program Capacity (2023-24): 1227

Thoreau MS
Design Capacity: 1395
Program Capacity: 1379
Trailers: 0/Modular: 0

What I’m seeing is that Kilmer could use some reduction to phase out trailers, but that Thoreau is on the cusp of needing modulars and trailers, so some caution should be taken while balancing numbers.

To add, September enrollment numbers have Kilmer at 1174 and Thoreau at 1281.

Sounds like Thoreau got a major expansion, as did Madison, and they realized they had erred in the past in determining Kilmer’s program capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

[Anonymous]

The problem is the wanted a comprehensive review and should have redrawn everything. I’m praying there are maps Thru created from scratch that we did not get to see that may be on the table for the final review. I hope this SPA’s map would also be adjusted. Because this is a disaster with an estimated only 2,000 students moving. What’s the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

Kilmer will have even more relief next year with adding AAP to Thoreau.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

Kilmer will have even more relief next year with adding AAP to Thoreau.

The AAP change is not happening next year. It might not happen until the next 5year review. First Reid has to present a plan, then the school board has to vote on it, and then they need to figure out how to phase it in through staffing and potential boundary adjustments.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

And why are they showing maps to the public and getting no people all upset if they are not vetted? I swear she just says things to get people to calm down in the moment. As soon as someone is freaking out about a change she’s all “don’t worry that’s just a super drafty draft” regardless of whether that’s true. The school board must be beyond frustrated with her because then they have to clean up her mess. She is just telling everyone what they want to hear while they’re in front of her. I wouldn’t trust anything she says at this point.

Why are they doing 7 revidions to the county wide rezoning maps, based on who complains the most on the previous map?

More like who has the biggest tantrum. Some of these grown adults should be ashamed of themselves.

I’m at the point where I am disgusted with this entire process. They left way too much time for community input… too many cooks in the kitchen and people want opposite things. Someone will be mad no matter what. And the way they’ve gone about it just ensures the pushiest people get their way. They could not have screwed this all up more even if they tried.

Poor baby, you didn’t get to ruin more kids’ lives. I’m so sorry that they provided some time for constituents to be heard.

You’re disgusting.

Oh shut up idiot. You have no idea who you're talking to. We are caught up in one of the biggest messes with this. At some point it gets exhausting dealing with this months-long drawn out process with changes going back and forth and drama queens throwing tantrums and calling it "advocacy". Just tell me where my kids are going to school so we can look at the bright side and adjust. No one's lives are being ruined. You are a terrible example for your children using that language. They are going to crumble when faced with real setbacks in adulthood.

Well, as you pointed out in your prior post, someone is going to be mad no matter what. Glad it was you, because I’m sure you were thinking you were going to get your way at the expense of moving others’ kids. Sometimes karma is a b.

In the meantime, as your tone deaf and logically inconsistent post argues, you seem to think this will have no impact on mental health, so, as we tell our 3-year old, stop whining. You think kids won’t be impacted, then you have nothing to complain about.

[Anonymous]

Dr Reid said they are close to getting it right and the comments and meetings should be less. But there are 7500 commdnts days ago on the tool. Now I know I won’t be heard again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is the wanted a comprehensive review and should have redrawn everything. I’m praying there are maps Thru created from scratch that we did not get to see that may be on the table for the final review. I hope this SPA’s map would also be adjusted. Because this is a disaster with an estimated only 2,000 students moving. What’s the point.

“Praying”. 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

Kilmer will have even more relief next year with adding AAP to Thoreau.

The AAP change is not happening next year. It might not happen until the next 5year review. First Reid has to present a plan, then the school board has to vote on it, and then they need to figure out how to phase it in through staffing and potential boundary adjustments.

This is NOT complicated since there is a comprehensive boundary review in progress. AAP boundaries change and the process targets the potential number of transfers out /back in from a base school. If its an expanded POS-program of studies - for all AAP at the base middle school, it's scheduling, staff licensed to teach a course etc. This is not launching a space shuttle. Our kids went to 2 new ones.

Cooper process outline that could be used for Stone, Liberty, Thoreau. https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T7Z75C1EB/$file/AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20for%20Cooper%20MS.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dr Reid said they are close to getting it right and the comments and meetings should be less. But there are 7500 commdnts days ago on the tool. Now I know I won’t be heard again

How can you see how many comments there are on the tool?

[Anonymous]

You can’t. I attending the meeting yesterday where they said the last time they checked that was the count and he had not checked for 2 days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

Kilmer will have even more relief next year with adding AAP to Thoreau.

The AAP change is not happening next year. It might not happen until the next 5year review. First Reid has to present a plan, then the school board has to vote on it, and then they need to figure out how to phase it in through staffing and potential boundary adjustments.

This is NOT complicated since there is a comprehensive boundary review in progress. AAP boundaries change and the process targets the potential number of transfers out /back in from a base school. If its an expanded POS-program of studies - for all AAP at the base middle school, it's scheduling, staff licensed to teach a course etc. This is not launching a space shuttle. Our kids went to 2 new ones.

Cooper process outline that could be used for Stone, Liberty, Thoreau. https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T7Z75C1EB/$file/AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20for%20Cooper%20MS.pdf

Cool, but they haven’t even voted to proceed with AAP at every middle school, so they can’t implement it yet. When I asked my school board rep, they said it would be years down the line. My impression is that they’ll wait until the next comprehensive review to implement it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can’t. I attending the meeting yesterday where they said the last time they checked that was the count and he had not checked for 2 days.

It must be at least double, since the comments crashed after they told the WSHS and LBSS parents (Sangster/White Oaks) to comment on the maps if they want something different for map 5

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split exists at so many schools. Why is one school prioritized over others? They told us it was because having less than 25% split was a problem. Wolftrap had 60:40. Marshall road splits between Oakton and Madison, Thoreau is a 3 way split with 5%going to Marshall. What is wrong with these people in charge. Leave the original boundaries and switch only where the a need for relief. This is not a comprehensive boundary review as it is only catering to the vocal people.

Kilmer is the most overcrowded MS in the county and you ignored this.

The Scenario 4 proposal to move the rest of Wolftrap to Madison and all to Thoreau wasn’t born of some desire to cater to Wolftrap families. It started with the need to bring down the enrollment at Kilmer with the elimination of the split feeder and making use of the hundreds of extra seats at Madison following its expansion a bonus.

No one ignored this. The county can not support true pyramids as the size and number of schools will not support it. Sending Madison students to Thoreau would have been enough to help Kilmer. Then there was also the relief to Kilmer from the Longfellow middle school switch that was an option. The need to have people in the same middle school and high school has left schools over 100% and others in the 80’s.

Kilmer will have even more relief next year with adding AAP to Thoreau.

The AAP change is not happening next year. It might not happen until the next 5year review. First Reid has to present a plan, then the school board has to vote on it, and then they need to figure out how to phase it in through staffing and potential boundary adjustments.

This is NOT complicated since there is a comprehensive boundary review in progress. AAP boundaries change and the process targets the potential number of transfers out /back in from a base school. If its an expanded POS-program of studies - for all AAP at the base middle school, it's scheduling, staff licensed to teach a course etc. This is not launching a space shuttle. Our kids went to 2 new ones.

Cooper process outline that could be used for Stone, Liberty, Thoreau. https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T7Z75C1EB/$file/AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20for%20Cooper%20MS.pdf

Cool, but they haven’t even voted to proceed with AAP at every middle school, so they can’t implement it yet. When I asked my school board rep, they said it would be years down the line. My impression is that they’ll wait until the next comprehensive review to implement it.

FCPS should first add AAP to the pyramids like Lewis/Key that have hundreds of their highest performing students transferring to other schools next year.

FCPS csn stand up an AAP middle school program in a month or two, and have it ready by Fall 2026.

That is what the did with the Irving program. It was literally 1-2 months from concept to registering students.

If they focus on just the 1-2 schools with the biggest transfer deficit, FCPS can have those middle school programs ready to register students in January 2026 and launched in fall 2026.

[Anonymous]

How many middle schools currently don’t have level iv available ?