ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let everyone not forget how this all started, which was with fictitious, completely unproven claims of daycare fraud that they’ve used as an excuse to invade a community, which is now resulted in the murder of one of the citizens of Minneapolis.

This is how they’re going to invade every city moving forward.

The Somali immigrants are overwhelmingly green card or citizens. They have been here since the 90s. If there is fraud it should be handled by the IRS and the FBI. ICE is just there just to cause chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You would have been one of the "Good Germans".

[Anonymous]

Let everyone not forget how this all started, which was with fictitious, completely unproven claims of daycare fraud that they’ve used as an excuse to invade a community, which is now resulted in the murder of one of the citizens of Minneapolis.

This is how they’re going to invade every city moving forward.

Responses to fraud concerns by Trump Admin:

Elon Musk and Big Balls
Thousands of DHS new hires who didn't go to college

[Anonymous]

Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

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Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

You realize that ICE has the authority to detain a U.S. citizen if they interfere with their duties, right?

NP. We do. How come 90% of the charges over the past year don't stick?

You act like our courts don’t do the very same thing all the time for DUI, or reckless driving, even attempted murder.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And anyway, nothing they did from the time they got out of the car was legal or ethical.

You can keep typing this but it’s gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

Not logical, but it happened. Now her little boy has no parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

You realize that ICE has the authority to detain a U.S. citizen if they interfere with their duties, right?

NP. We do. How come 90% of the charges over the past year don't stick?

You act like our courts don’t do the very same thing all the time for DUI, or reckless driving, even attempted murder.

If you want to convince people to stand with ICE you're going to have to be a lot more specific.

I wonder why the American people are not standing with ICE...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you!!!!!!

I am the OP of the thread about ICE hiring and training practices. My stance is that if Republicans truly "back the blue" and believe in "law and order" then they would take a stand to promote better hiring and training practices. Furthermore, with their masks and easily replicated gear, criminals impersonate ICE easily (this led to an FBI document in November requesting ICE are better identified because of numerous impersonation instances including sexual assault of a woman).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Are you a sworn employee?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

Not logical, but it happened. Now her little boy has no parents.

And that in no way is her FAULT. It is completely his. He created the bad situation that never needed to be. He committed murder.

Stop defending a murderer. What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

Not logical, but it happened. Now her little boy has no parents.

Do you apply this same kind of analysis to every wife murdered by her husband as well?