Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

LOL, you don’t know what’s going on.

The boundary issue is probably the single most important topic for many parents and boundary changes are the only time many of them ever email or call FCPS board members.

Reid came up with draft Options A through D without telling the board, and now those options are gone.

For the comprehensive boundary review, what happened to Scenarios 1 through 4 after tons of parents complained to the board?

Board members are politicians, and boundaries are the single most controversial political issue they face.

Do you think they will care about $300 gas money?

Don’t be naive.

If Pro Western Crossfield parents were so concerned with saving the county money why didn’t they advocate to move to South Lakes during the boundary review?

It was an example, moron.

Youre a nasty C U Next Tuesday.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

But, Oakton and South Lakes were part of the original discussions after the purchase

During the vote to purchase--if you watched the work sessions and School Board meetings.
Frisch and McDaniel both brought up the very long commute to Oakton.
It was also pointed out that Oakton went over capacity this year and is expected to grow with all the new construction nearby.
So, Oakton was not just thrown into the mix. It was part of the mix.

Yes it is a part of mix.

But the stated goal per the presentation and the webpage is to reduce the enrollment of Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville.

That’s it.

Don't be so naive, sweetheart, its all political, babeee.

Don't be so rude, hunty, you’re highly condescending, byatchhh!

Oh look, it's hunty momma!! She's everywhere!!!

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

LOL, you don’t know what’s going on.

The boundary issue is probably the single most important topic for many parents and boundary changes are the only time many of them ever email or call FCPS board members.

Reid came up with draft Options A through D without telling the board, and now those options are gone.

For the comprehensive boundary review, what happened to Scenarios 1 through 4 after tons of parents complained to the board?

Board members are politicians, and boundaries are the single most controversial political issue they face.

Do you think they will care about $300 gas money?

Don’t be naive.

If Pro Western Crossfield parents were so concerned with saving the county money why didn’t they advocate to move to South Lakes during the boundary review?

It was an example, moron.

Youre a nasty C U Next Tuesday.

Lay off the drink, sweetie.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

But, Oakton and South Lakes were part of the original discussions after the purchase

During the vote to purchase--if you watched the work sessions and School Board meetings.
Frisch and McDaniel both brought up the very long commute to Oakton.
It was also pointed out that Oakton went over capacity this year and is expected to grow with all the new construction nearby.
So, Oakton was not just thrown into the mix. It was part of the mix.

Yes it is a part of mix.

But the stated goal per the presentation and the webpage is to reduce the enrollment of Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville.

That’s it.

You are selectively ignoring emails from school board members to constituents that also mentioned commute times. Remember that several board members still feel strongly that middle school should not start so early. Keeping kids at schools far from home does not help move them towards their goal of streamlining transportation. The school board members have their opinions and perspectives independent of whatever one of Reid’s staff put on some slides. We have all seen that the communication between Reid and the board is dysfunctional. The slides are not necessarily a full reflection of what the board will discuss.

McDaniel did mention commute times right after the county purchased the school.

He hasn’t mentioned commute times lately, after seeing the opposition from RIO. In fact, I don’t recall any board members discussing commute times recently.

It seems to me that the only two points they emphasize are the relief for the Western region (Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield) and the special programs.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

But, Oakton and South Lakes were part of the original discussions after the purchase

During the vote to purchase--if you watched the work sessions and School Board meetings.
Frisch and McDaniel both brought up the very long commute to Oakton.
It was also pointed out that Oakton went over capacity this year and is expected to grow with all the new construction nearby.
So, Oakton was not just thrown into the mix. It was part of the mix.

Yes it is a part of mix.

But the stated goal per the presentation and the webpage is to reduce the enrollment of Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville.

That’s it.

Don't be so naive, sweetheart, its all political, babeee.

Um do you think I don’t know that?

It’s all political and that’s why they don’t say commute times any more. Did any board member recently say Oakton need relief?

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at the Oakton parents' petition, it is 60% Navy parents who don't want to be rezoned, which is hilarious because rezoning Navy isn't even in the mix!!

I’m sure people at Navy know they’re not in the mix. You know what else is hilarious? Claiming only a small number of Crossfield parents want to stay at Oakton but then refusing to make a petition to demonstrate that argument. That petition is over 650 now, right?

But over half of that 650 is Navy? So less than half of Crossfield signed the petition? I don’t think you’re making a strong argument here…

Dp. If most of Crossfield wanted to move, there would be a petition. Creating a petition is low effort. The lack of one, and the nonsensical excuses, speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

That school is ten years out. It will relieve Coates but will not mean many additional students.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

But most of the Crossfield neighborhoods are very close to Western. And, they are a very, very long way from Oakton. And, the school is also much closer to Western than to Oakton. Though, South Lakes may be closer than Western.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

But most of the Crossfield neighborhoods are very close to Western. And, they are a very, very long way from Oakton. And, the school is also much closer to Western than to Oakton. Though, South Lakes may be closer than Western.

Are you proposing rezoning Fox Mill first because it is further from the Western between these two?

Are we taking about Western here or SLHS and Oakton?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

But most of the Crossfield neighborhoods are very close to Western. And, they are a very, very long way from Oakton. And, the school is also much closer to Western than to Oakton. Though, South Lakes may be closer than Western.

Are you proposing rezoning Fox Mill first because it is further from the Western between these two?

Are we taking about Western here or SLHS and Oakton?

I am proposing Option A plus all of Floris.

It makes the most sense because it solves the most problems. South Lakes would be underenrolled if they moved Fox Mill out. And, the commute to Oakton from Crossfield neighborhoods is egregious.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

But most of the Crossfield neighborhoods are very close to Western. And, they are a very, very long way from Oakton. And, the school is also much closer to Western than to Oakton. Though, South Lakes may be closer than Western.

Are you proposing rezoning Fox Mill first because it is further from the Western between these two?

Are we taking about Western here or SLHS and Oakton?

I am proposing Option A plus all of Floris.

It makes the most sense because it solves the most problems. South Lakes would be underenrolled if they moved Fox Mill out. And, the commute to Oakton from Crossfield neighborhoods is egregious.

I would also eliminate IB from South Lakes which would make many Fox Mill families happy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

With the new ES being the closest to Western, it will be zoned to Western for sure.

I wonder who will be rezoned first; Crossfield or Fox Mill?

Pro Western Crossfield will need to battle with pro Western Fox Mill to fight to stay at Western.

I hope by then, pro Western Crossfield young kids are already in Western, they will care less about other people's younger kids then.

Crossfield is ALWAYS the problem.

Crossfield is the farthest to Western among all the ES under consideration. It cost too much taxpayers' money to bus crossfield to Western.

Crossfield leaves. Problem resolved.

But most of the Crossfield neighborhoods are very close to Western. And, they are a very, very long way from Oakton. And, the school is also much closer to Western than to Oakton. Though, South Lakes may be closer than Western.

Are you proposing rezoning Fox Mill first because it is further from the Western between these two?

Are we taking about Western here or SLHS and Oakton?

I am proposing Option A plus all of Floris.

It makes the most sense because it solves the most problems. South Lakes would be underenrolled if they moved Fox Mill out. And, the commute to Oakton from Crossfield neighborhoods is egregious.

I would also eliminate IB from South Lakes which would make many Fox Mill families happy.

That will never happen. They love IB and its promise of creating “global citizens.” It does not matter how few kids actually get IB diplomas.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

LOL, you don’t know what’s going on.

The boundary issue is probably the single most important topic for many parents and boundary changes are the only time many of them ever email or call FCPS board members.

Reid came up with draft Options A through D without telling the board, and now those options are gone.

For the comprehensive boundary review, what happened to Scenarios 1 through 4 after tons of parents complained to the board?

Board members are politicians, and boundaries are the single most controversial political issue they face.

Do you think they will care about $300 gas money?

Don’t be naive.

If Pro Western Crossfield parents were so concerned with saving the county money why didn’t they advocate to move to South Lakes during the boundary review?

It was an example, moron.

Youre a nasty C U Next Tuesday.

Lay off the drink, sweetie.

Before you come at me, how bout you close ya legs you washed up, 2000s bad girl, hussy!