Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Articulate, courageous and principled, true leadership in action. Nothing more worthy in this life than fighting to uphold principles and human rights that have taken centuries and millions of lost lives to secure.

He is a pretty impressive person.

+1. Thanks for posting, PP.

Good grief.
When a person who calls herself "MissyMarxist" agrees with what some law breaker is saying...... you know you are on the wrong side of history.
The person interviewed spewed a bunch of garbage - something most Marxists would like.

Peaceful protest is NOT lawbreaking. The right to protest is a democratic principle. The interviewee was very articulate and expressed sentiments that people around the world are expressing.

Also, calling everyone you don't agree with a "Marxist" is just ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Articulate, courageous and principled, true leadership in action. Nothing more worthy in this life than fighting to uphold principles and human rights that have taken centuries and millions of lost lives to secure.

He is a pretty impressive person.

+1. Thanks for posting, PP.

Good grief.
When a person who calls herself "MissyMarxist" agrees with what some law breaker is saying...... you know you are on the wrong side of history.
The person interviewed spewed a bunch of garbage - something most Marxists would like.

Peaceful protest is NOT lawbreaking. The right to protest is a democratic principle. The interviewee was very articulate and expressed sentiments that people around the world are expressing.

Also, calling everyone you don't agree with a "Marxist" is just ignorant.

NP - it’s literally the handle of the account, which is a well known troll account and not credible regardless of one’s political opinions…

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

The violence at these protests has all been committed by the police or (for UCLA and Kahane) counter demonstrators

If you are recategorizing vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of statues and historic buildings as nonviolent. Which you apparently are doing.

DP. College protests have happened all over the country, and they have ranged in size and expression. It is not accurate to say that in every instance protestors engaged in vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of pubic property. (I'm guessing you weren't this triggered on Jan. 6 when protestors did this and much more. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.)

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Biden, if they haven't already, artists are gonna influence the youth voters - the ones your campaign needs!:

Scottie Andrew, CNN
"rapper Macklemore praises college students across the US who are protesting Israel’s war in Gaza, vowing that he will not vote for President Joe Biden come November.

The song, released Monday, is titled “Hind’s Hall” in reference to the new temporary name pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia University gave to a building they occupied on campus.

With its release, the Grammy-winning rapper becomes one of the first major music artists to explicitly condemn the US government’s continued aid to Israel and praise students who are protesting their universities’ financial investments in companies tied to Israel on campuses across the US.

“The problem isn’t the protests, it’s what they’re protesting,” Macklemore raps. “It goes against what our country is funding.”

The song also criticizes the police dispatched by universities to break up protests on college campuses. Several of the schools who called on police to intervene said its encampments were unlawful and that administrators had attempted to negotiate with student protesters before police got involved.

Hind’s Hall, the name pro-Palestinian protesters gave to Columbia’s Hamilton Hall, was named for the Palestinian child Hind Rajab, who was found dead in Gaza after she became trapped in a car with six of her relatives.

They were fleeing fighting in northern Gaza when their vehicle came under Israeli fire.

Macklemore’s lyrics reference the more than 13,800 children who’ve been killed in Gaza since the beginning of the war. The song asks listeners, as well as politicians, university officials and fellow artists who’ve not spoken out against the violence in Gaza, to consider the human cost of the war: “What if you were in Gaza? What if those were your kids? If the West was pretending that you didn’t exist?”

In “Hind’s Hall,” Macklemore accuses the music industry of being “complicit in (its) platform of silence,” he sings.

He’s likely the only major artist to write a song about the conflict. Several notable musicians have signed onto the Artists 4Ceasefire letter addressed to Biden, though, including Dua Lipa, Jon Batiste and Selena Gomez. Scottish singer Annie Lennox also verbally called for a ceasefire while performing at the Grammys in February.

Macklemore has said through his social media channels that when the song is released on streaming, all the proceeds will go to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.

Macklemore has been an outspoken supporter of Palestinians since last year. Less than two weeks after the October 7 attack on southern Israel led by Hamas, which saw the deaths of at least 1,200 people and the taking of more than 250 hostages, he shared a post in which he mourned the loss of life in both Israel and Gaza.

“My heart deeply hurts for the Israelis that lost loved ones to such an abomination,” he wrote of the October 7 attack. ”… But killing innocent humans in retaliation as collective punishment is not the answer. That is why I am supporting the people around the world who are calling for a ceasefire.”

Later in the post, he wrote, “I stand for a Free Palestine and an end to the looming genocide of its people.”

In the same post, he referenced the controversial claim that criticizing the Israeli government is antisemitic. “I can whole heartedly (sic) love my Jewish brothers and sisters while simultaneously condemning the Israeli government for their mass killings and Apartheid.”

Macklemore also appeared at a pro-Palestinian march in Washington in November. In an Instagram post shared after the event, he said that he was heartened by “Jewish and Muslim youth marching side by side, belting words of resistance together.”

Macklemore has faced accusations of antisemitism before. In 2014, he wore what he called a “random costume” of a large fake nose and thick black beard to surprise Seattle concertgoers. Several detractors, including Seth Rogen, called his costume antisemitic, prompting Macklemore to “acknowledge how the costume could, within a context of stereotyping, be ascribed to a Jewish caricature.”

The rapper has made political statements throughout his career. He was nominated for a Grammy for the 2012 song “Same Love,” which advocated for LGBTQ equality and support for same-sex marriage. In 2016, he appeared on a remix of the YG song “FDT, Pt. 2,” which stands for “F**k Donald Trump.”

Macklemore continued to speak out against Trump after he entered office. And protesters on college campuses are still speaking out against the war on Gaza, even after some universities canceled or altered commencements and have already disciplined fellow student protesters.

This guy?

I literally gasped when I saw that picture.

I am sure all the Macklemore fans in this thread are cheering this on, though. They are fine with it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

I knew people who knew MLK as well as The Mahatma (Gandhi), and I am 99.99% sure they would have been broadly supportive of the protests.

So we are now down to I knew I knew? MLK expressed strong support for Israel when he was alive.

You seem to mistake “support for Israel” as a license for Israel to do literally whatever it wants to do.

Like essentially everything else in life, most sane people afford support on a conditional basis - as in, I support Israel as long as Israel upholds at least some minimum level of values that we expect of nations AND doesn’t engage in policies and actions that shock the conscience and starkly conflict with those values.

Once a nation so clearly violates those conditions, why should ANYONE support them with weapons, shield them from accountability at the U.N., etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:Articulate, courageous and principled, true leadership in action. Nothing more worthy in this life than fighting to uphold principles and human rights that have taken centuries and millions of lost lives to secure.

He is a pretty impressive person.

+1. Thanks for posting, PP.

Good grief.
When a person who calls herself "MissyMarxist" agrees with what some law breaker is saying...... you know you are on the wrong side of history.
The person interviewed spewed a bunch of garbage - something most Marxists would like.

Peaceful protest is NOT lawbreaking. The right to protest is a democratic principle. The interviewee was very articulate and expressed sentiments that people around the world are expressing.

Also, calling everyone you don't agree with a "Marxist" is just ignorant.

NP - it’s literally the handle of the account, which is a well known troll account and not credible regardless of one’s political opinions…

PP. I did not read the name of the account--I just listened to the interview. The interviewee spoke clearly and convincingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Articulate, courageous and principled, true leadership in action. Nothing more worthy in this life than fighting to uphold principles and human rights that have taken centuries and millions of lost lives to secure.

He is a pretty impressive person.

+1. Thanks for posting, PP.

Good grief.
When a person who calls herself "MissyMarxist" agrees with what some law breaker is saying...... you know you are on the wrong side of history.
The person interviewed spewed a bunch of garbage - something most Marxists would like.

Peaceful protest is NOT lawbreaking. The right to protest is a democratic principle. The interviewee was very articulate and expressed sentiments that people around the world are expressing.

Also, calling everyone you don't agree with a "Marxist" is just ignorant.

NP - it’s literally the handle of the account, which is a well known troll account and not credible regardless of one’s political opinions…

PP. I did not read the name of the account--I just listened to the interview. The interviewee spoke clearly and convincingly.

Always question motivations and why a known troll account would be reposting it, or better yet, don't click on noted troll posts and don't follow trolls. It's a big issue on X.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

I knew people who knew MLK as well as The Mahatma (Gandhi), and I am 99.99% sure they would have been broadly supportive of the protests.

So we are now down to I knew I knew? MLK expressed strong support for Israel when he was alive.

You seem to mistake “support for Israel” as a license for Israel to do literally whatever it wants to do.

Like essentially everything else in life, most sane people afford support on a conditional basis - as in, I support Israel as long as Israel upholds at least some minimum level of values that we expect of nations AND doesn’t engage in policies and actions that shock the conscience and starkly conflict with those values.

Once a nation so clearly violates those conditions, why should ANYONE support them with weapons, shield them from accountability at the U.N., etc.?

Everyone is conjecturing what MLK would approve of based on “people who know him” etc etc. all suppositions. However, he actually praised Israel and the Jewish people for standing up for civil rights. So from that I can draw my own deductions what he thinks of the rabble college protests and which side he would be on.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

I’m not the PP but I do not believe MLK would want to involve himself with protests that are overwhelmingly driven by white, wealthy, and incredibly privileged students. And while I believe MLK would have had great sympathy for the Palestinians, he would have also had deep horror about what happened on 10/7. I think MLK would have been appalled at the pro-Hamas imagery at the protests, for instance.

These protests do not have a great deal of support, even among people whose political sympathies might lie with the Palestinians but who understand that the Israeli Palestinian history is not a black and white easily solved issue. I do not think it’s easy to glibly say that MLk would have supported the protestors.

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Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

I’m pretty sure, PP, that it’s you and your fellow boomers who lack critical thinking skills and bear the hallmarks of decades of propaganda. American support for Israel over recent decades was largely the result of corruption that permeated almost all of elite America and has risked the country’s future. It’s a real sign of hope the kids have seen through the lies of prior generations. They haven’t defeated the corrupt establishment yet, but we are seeing the beginning of the end of the blank check support for Israel, a fascist ethnostate that has long practiced apartheid and is now perpetuating a genocide.

DP. Your ridiculous and ageist attempt to use “boomers” as an insult undermines any point you might have had.

These protests are very unpopular, including with Gen Z kids who aren’t cosplaying as revolutionaries. You should try talking to Gen Zers who aren’t in your bubble. “The kids” see through you.

NP. Whatever you want to call yourself, PP, you are clearly trapped in a fever dream, one that is much worse and much more obvious than whatever problems the kids on campus might have.

Please make your point coherently, PP. I don’t take drugs like you.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

The violence at these protests has all been committed by the police or (for UCLA and Kahane) counter demonstrators

This is demonstrably not true. My God, the conspiracy theories make you sound idiotic.

You sound as dumb as the Jan 6 protestors who blamed “antifa.”

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

The violence at these protests has all been committed by the police or (for UCLA and Kahane) counter demonstrators

If you are recategorizing vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of statues and historic buildings as nonviolent. Which you apparently are doing.

DP. College protests have happened all over the country, and they have ranged in size and expression. It is not accurate to say that in every instance protestors engaged in vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of pubic property. (I'm guessing you weren't this triggered on Jan. 6 when protestors did this and much more. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.)

Not the PP but I consider Jan 6th an insurrection where jail time was an appropriate punishment. I was absolutely in favor of punishments for those protestors who destroyed our public property.

I am equally in favor of punishment for those people who have destroyed parts of libraries and our great centers of education. The right to free speech does not extend to smearing feces on walls that poor, mostly POC janitorial staff will have to clean.

This is true of the jerks of the far left and the far right. What is appalling to me are the number of supposed progressives who were calling for jail time for J6 protestors while defending the vandalism and destruction of the pro-Palestinian protestors. It’s incredibly hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:Articulate, courageous and principled, true leadership in action. Nothing more worthy in this life than fighting to uphold principles and human rights that have taken centuries and millions of lost lives to secure.

He is a pretty impressive person.

+1. Thanks for posting, PP.

Good grief.
When a person who calls herself "MissyMarxist" agrees with what some law breaker is saying...... you know you are on the wrong side of history.
The person interviewed spewed a bunch of garbage - something most Marxists would like.

Peaceful protest is NOT lawbreaking. The right to protest is a democratic principle. The interviewee was very articulate and expressed sentiments that people around the world are expressing.

Also, calling everyone you don't agree with a "Marxist" is just ignorant.

NP - it’s literally the handle of the account, which is a well known troll account and not credible regardless of one’s political opinions…

PP. I did not read the name of the account--I just listened to the interview. The interviewee spoke clearly and convincingly.

Always question motivations and why a known troll account would be reposting it, or better yet, don't click on noted troll posts and don't follow trolls. It's a big issue on X.

I did not post the original post. I don't follow trolls. I only follow news outlets as my only interest in X is to stay abreast of breaking news. Pretty much everyone on X is pushing some perspective or another. It is a toxic minefield of venom and/or manipulation, especially around the Gaza issue, as is all of social media.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

I’m not the PP but I do not believe MLK would want to involve himself with protests that are overwhelmingly driven by white, wealthy, and incredibly privileged students. And while I believe MLK would have had great sympathy for the Palestinians, he would have also had deep horror about what happened on 10/7. I think MLK would have been appalled at the pro-Hamas imagery at the protests, for instance.

These protests do not have a great deal of support, even among people whose political sympathies might lie with the Palestinians but who understand that the Israeli Palestinian history is not a black and white easily solved issue. I do not think it’s easy to glibly say that MLk would have supported the protestors.

There are a number of white and/or wealthy kids in these protests and the kids at the Ivies are by definition incredibly privileged. But I think many of the protests are driven by Palestinian and/or Muslim students who are overwhelmingly not white. Other students including white students and Jewish students are also joining in but not driving the current protests or the encampments.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.

Because of the content of the protest? Meaning you think he would support Israel over Palestine? Or because of the methodology of the protests? Meaning you think he wouldn’t support encampments?

All of the above.

Ok. I think you are wrong on both counts.

I believe he would have been with the underdog - the Palestinians in this case. At best he may just not taken sides. This is speculative though and you may be right and really not worth debating unless someone has some of his writings on the issue.

On the encampments - I think if he believed strongly in the cause, it would very much be a part of a civil disobedience protest. Coming up with ways to make the people uncomfortable is certainly in keeping with non violent protest movements. I agree that nobody should be ok with harassment of others (and I seriously doubt he would be). But honestly I don’t think the camp out (conceptually) would be outside his or Gandhi’s techniques.

We can’t have MLK time travel to the present day to prove who is right, but I stand by my view that he was a Christian man of his time who supported nonviolent protest and I don’t think those core opinions would change.

The violence at these protests has all been committed by the police or (for UCLA and Kahane) counter demonstrators

If you are recategorizing vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of statues and historic buildings as nonviolent. Which you apparently are doing.

DP. College protests have happened all over the country, and they have ranged in size and expression. It is not accurate to say that in every instance protestors engaged in vandalism, graffiti writing, and defacement of pubic property. (I'm guessing you weren't this triggered on Jan. 6 when protestors did this and much more. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.)

Not the PP but I consider Jan 6th an insurrection where jail time was an appropriate punishment. I was absolutely in favor of punishments for those protestors who destroyed our public property.

I am equally in favor of punishment for those people who have destroyed parts of libraries and our great centers of education. The right to free speech does not extend to smearing feces on walls that poor, mostly POC janitorial staff will have to clean.

This is true of the jerks of the far left and the far right. What is appalling to me are the number of supposed progressives who were calling for jail time for J6 protestors while defending the vandalism and destruction of the pro-Palestinian protestors. It’s incredibly hypocritical.

Well you need to do some research. The people doing the “damage” are the same right wing actors who marched in Charlottesville and disrupted BLM protests. Los Angeles police and FBI are going after the mob at UCLA.