“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
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Anonymous
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous. |
Anonymous
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall. |
Anonymous
My point is I did my part and voted for Hillary even though she was not my first democratic choice. But someone needs to tell the progressive liberals to do the same. They're the ones who refuse to vote for an acceptable candidate just because they are not perfect in their idealistic way. |
Anonymous
The thing is that there are at least two strands of progressive liberals. I never know what to call myself because to really left progressives I’m basically a Repo and to Republicans I may as well be called a Communist (not that it takes a lot to get them to call anyone that). Anyway, I vote Democratic and always have. But there are really left lefties who think the Democrats are… I forget what they called them (my sister dated a Communist for a while). Anyway, there are lots of us progressives who vote Democratic. And there are (or were, anyway) lots of red rose “socialists” on twitter who apparently exist just to be divisive. They’re not any more progressive than Ted Cruz, they’re just there to sway opinion and are probably paid. Unfortunately, enough people answered the call. All that to say: it’s vote Democratic or own the fact that you hate America and its best promises. |
Anonymous
No, American citizens do not have to think as you think. That's the beauty of living in this wonderful country. |
Anonymous
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain? |
Anonymous
Does it feel pain when it’s born at 22 weeks, and forced to be kept alive on machines without pain relief, while having painful heel pricks several times a day every day for months? |
Anonymous
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Viability is a good balancing point.
Just like we had with Roe v Casey. |
Anonymous
https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin This article (though a bit old) was a fact checking article by NPR on “partial birth” abortions. This quote implies that all such abortions are not only performed on severely defective fetuses: “Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed? There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed. In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.” If anyone has more recent information that contradicts this, I would be very interested in seeing it. |
Anonymous
D&E is 2nd trimester, not “late term”. |
Anonymous
Furthermore, don’t demand I think and feel like you do and then simultaneously demand respect. |
Anonymous
I think that the new common sense bill was better because we now have fifty years of evidence that the forced birthers use absolutely no common sense and no good faith whatsoever. “Trust women” needs to be codified into law because look at leaky Alito’s idiotic decision. We can’t trust forced birthers to acknowledge women are people; they’re stripping our rights as citizens. Everyone is stroking about late term abortions but they’re uncommon and get really, really uncommon the closer one gets to delivery; it’s not a decision taken lightly and they’re not the point. All abortion is going to be illegal in several states as will be birth control. This is patently ridiculous. |
Anonymous
D&E refers to dilation and evacuation. The quote above is talking about dilation and extraction (also known as partial birth abortion). |
Anonymous
| It's time to move on ,. We all know that there is a point around 12 weeks where it can feel pain etc science has taken big leaps since 1970 to determine that.https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/study-shows-preborn-babies-feel-pain-as-early-as-12-weeks-gestation/ , we also have better birth control. So it's really a mute point, it would make sense to be on birth control rather than abort. But if there is a slip up you should monitor yourself closely to abort the baby before 12 weeks. |
Anonymous
Under which law(s)? You’re making stuff up now. They may not be citizens or registered persons, but doubtful there is a law that defines life. If there were a law, rulings like RvW wouldn’t be necessary. That’s the crux of the issue. Pass a law that clearly defines human life and what may be done legally “by others” to that human life at its various stages. Fetus, baby, toddler, teen, adult, senior, invalid, death bed patient, comatose patients, death row inmate, etc. then we can all stop being hypocrites. |