“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
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Anonymous
Can a fetus get a social security number? Is a man responsible for fetus support? No? Then it isn't a life in the eyes of the government. |
Anonymous
“Partial birth” isn’t a thing. And 2nd trimester isn’t “late term”. |
Anonymous
The Constitution includes being born as a requirement for citizenship. |
Anonymous
Did you read the linked NPR article? The fetus is in fact partially delivered and it’s not limited to 2nd trimester. “Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix.” I’m not even saying this should be completely banned. But it doesn’t help the pro-choice movement to sugarcoat facts. |
Anonymous
Then let’s stick to the facts- it is a procedure that is an order of magnitude safer for the mother than the potential alternatives. The fetus is going to die anyway, must we bring mom along for the ride? |
Anonymous
So would you support limiting this procedure beyond a certain point to situations where the fetus is going to die anyway or to where the mother’s life is at risk? |
Anonymous
You’re a liar. 74.3% of Sanders primary supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 - as I did, as did every other Sanders voter I know, and we’re none of us Bernie Bros. There’s no evidence that Bernie Bros or the Loch Ness monster declined to vote for her or wrote in Bernie or voted Green Party to the numbers needed in swing states. YOU are the problem: the Democratic voter who ONLY wants to relitigate 2016 and rant about Susan Sarandon instead of getting anything done. I’m sick of it. PP had it right - the GOP state-level ground game is what largely did this, what largely got Bush into the presidency, and the party has had no counter to it since the Reagan administration. It will take unity and sensible work - like donating to candidates well before the October big money push - and so on. But that part never comes up in these discussions! Instead, its Nancy Pelosi flipping out on Gavin Newsome for stating CORRECTLY that the Democratic Party didn’t do enough to attempt to codify Roe. It’s just exhausting. And it doesn’t inspire confidence or get people to want to vote, right? |
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Hi those who support right to an abortion, Please STOP with the cutoff/viability discussion. We don’t need to get stuck in the anti-abortion rhetoric. A ban on 15 weeks only leads to a ban on 12 weeks, then 6, then none but w/ exceptions, then nothing.
For those how have lost the the plot, Alito is saying that pregnant people don’t deserve the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to privacy. |
Anonymous
You know your first paragraph supports what that previous poster said, right?. You said you voted for Bernie and are not a Bernie bro. The poster is talking about Bernie Bros. Not voting for Hillary. Are not a Bernie bro and voted for Hillary so that point is kind of moot. You say 74% of Bernie voters voted for Hillary. Well the other 25% didn't and that could have won the election. |
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I don't care who the Democrat is. We need to just vote for them at every level at this point.
I don't care if they support a 12:15-18 week. Whatever it is ban. I just want someone in who's more likely to vote with the party on policies and get things done. I am so sick of throwing out good in the search of perfection. Football games aren't played by people trying to kick a field goal from the other end zone. That's going to happen maybe once in a million times. Instead you move the ball forward slowly and methodically until you can get to where the hell you want it to be and hopefully you have people on your team helping you move at that direction. Ask yourself if the person you're voting for will get you closer to where you want to be or further away and vote that way and stop it with this perfection nonsense please. Republicans would vote for a dead corpse if it meant that they had an r by their name. Democrats need to start playing that game for a while |
Anonymous
And? Come on, complete the thought. How do you get from that to babies aren’t human beings till they’re born, or aren’t alive, or some damn thing? The Constitution doesn’t address that. |
Anonymous
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I don't see how any of that matters.
This is about women's right to health care and that's really all this is about. I can guarantee you if men got pregnant. This would not be a discussion at all. You'd probably be able to have someone come to their home to take care of it for them at any point to becomes unmanageable or unwanted. This is just another attempt to control women and if you don't see that then I guess you're going to be voting away your own interests because it won't stop here |
Anonymous
When I have life growing inside me, I don't let a social security number determine if it's a baby or not. |
Anonymous
PP, you can choose to focus your ire at Sanders supports or you can actually DO something besides say, “I held my nose and voted.” Voting should be the floor! Democracy is hard. It mean more than voting AND it means building coalition’s w/people you vaguely agree on (hello Manchin and Liz Cheney) AND, Democracy requires we move on past. |
Anonymous
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