Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

I think both Justin and Blake have grossly exaggerated things that happened and I believe its because of Ryan. Their back and forth conversations are actually very pleasant at the beginning.

Ex. 1 and 2 Blake is talking about getting back in shape. Justin is more then supportive and even gives her a supportive memo. Blake basically responds why she's so insecure.


This cycle of him being supportive and Blake dropping a vulnerable essays happen a lot. I don't think it was to be manipulative. She just has a lot of insecurities and appreciated Justin. Please note this happened on February 18th 2023. On February 26th Justin asks for her weight to train. A day later Blake asks him to come by and Ryan yells at him. Blake and Justin move past this.

[Anonymous]

Now the rooftop scenes. In April-ish 2023, they were still friendly and Justin was entertaining having her scenes blended in. I completely disagree it was an ambush as they often hung out the apartment and talked about the movie. This time she was trying to convince Justin to let her have the rooftop scene. Taylor came hours later hyping her.

She's appreciative he was willingly to collab with her and goes on how a previous director used some of her ideas and overlooked. She says Ryan and Taylor supportive (calls them her dragons) but it's not to intimidate. She admires them. She's insecure and he knows it. Thats why he gave her the wink emoji. He's boosting her coincidence. He's not walking on egg shells.

April 14th and 15th 2023




In fact it was the other producers who you can tell really had an issue before Blake/Ryan completely lost it. Justin lawyer said he accommodated her because he was fearful. Expect that contradicts from earlier where it was said they were close and comfortable with each other. As someone mentioned it was saidthey laughed deliriously during late-night writing sessions
How interesting. 🤔

May 1st 2023 before the strikes



During the strikes, Blake asks to see the cuts but I will say she's not mean or rude about it. Up until that point Mister laughing deliriously Justin allowed her to help with everything else. He was obviously annoyed but wasn't annoyed enough to stand with the other producers who said no.



Something happens and Blake/Ryan lose it when filming starts. We need more messages around this time to see what changed. I personally think it was Ryan. He did not write that rooftop scene. He looked over it and may have helped edit but that was Blake and Justin's work.

[Anonymous]

Re: 5:58. I think that’s an interesting theory that something happened and it has to do with Ryan. When you read the messages and baldoni’s version of events compared to lively’s, it seems like she took events/comments out of context from when things were seemingly good between them, and weaponized them against him to make them seem way worse and harassing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

Huh? his complaint rebuts in detail her allegations. Did you only read the introduction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So why would she lie? She’s really risking public ridicule and her career to make a false claim?

The case all hinges on retaliation. Her initial complaints were tenuous or false. But under the law you are protected from retaliation for making a sexual harassment complaint if the retaliation would deter a reasonable person from making a complaint. Although I do not think Baldoni harassed her, it looks like he smeared her chronologically after her complaint and to undermine her continued complaints that he feared. legally it’s more complex that that and far from proven, but it’s still a big threat to him.

More subjectively, I think his decision to do a smear campaign against an A-lister is what triggered this. Setting aside all the other stuff, Blake and her “dragons”
found this unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Response from Blake's Team

This latest lawsuit from Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios, and its associates is another chapter in the abuser playbook. This is an age-old story: A woman speaks up with concrete evidence of sexual harassment and retaliation and the abuser attempts to turn the tables on the victim. This is what experts call DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim Offender.

Wayfarer has opted to use the resources of its billionaire co-founder to issue media statements, launch meritless lawsuits, and threaten litigation to overwhelm the public’s ability to understand that what they are doing is retaliation against sexual harassment allegations.

They are trying to shift the narrative to Ms. Lively by falsely claiming that she seized creative control and alienated the cast from Mr. Baldoni. The evidence will show that the cast and others had their own negative experiences with Mr. Baldoni and Wayfarer. The evidence will also show that Sony asked Ms. Lively to oversee Sony’s cut of the film, which they then selected for distribution and was a resounding success.

Their response to sexual harassment allegations: she wanted it, it’s her fault. Their justification for why this happened to her: look what she was wearing. In short, while the victim focuses on the abuse, the abuser focuses on the victim. The strategy of attacking the woman is desperate, it does not refute the evidence in Ms. Lively’s complaint, and it will fail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s not unnecessary at all. That’s exactly the kind of evidence you’d show a jury to show that they were friends even after his supposed bad conduct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now the rooftop scenes. In April-ish 2023, they were still friendly and Justin was entertaining having her scenes blended in. I completely disagree it was an ambush as they often hung out the apartment and talked about the movie. This time she was trying to convince Justin to let her have the rooftop scene. Taylor came hours later hyping her.

She's appreciative he was willingly to collab with her and goes on how a previous director used some of her ideas and overlooked. She says Ryan and Taylor supportive (calls them her dragons) but it's not to intimidate. She admires them. She's insecure and he knows it. Thats why he gave her the wink emoji. He's boosting her coincidence. He's not walking on egg shells.

April 14th and 15th 2023




In fact it was the other producers who you can tell really had an issue before Blake/Ryan completely lost it. Justin lawyer said he accommodated her because he was fearful. Expect that contradicts from earlier where it was said they were close and comfortable with each other. As someone mentioned it was saidthey laughed deliriously during late-night writing sessions
How interesting. 🤔

May 1st 2023 before the strikes



During the strikes, Blake asks to see the cuts but I will say she's not mean or rude about it. Up until that point Mister laughing deliriously Justin allowed her to help with everything else. He was obviously annoyed but wasn't annoyed enough to stand with the other producers who said no.



Something happens and Blake/Ryan lose it when filming starts. We need more messages around this time to see what changed. I personally think it was Ryan. He did not write that rooftop scene. He looked over it and may have helped edit but that was Blake and Justin's work.

I cannot keep the chronology straight, it I think the “something” that happened was that Blake felt her writing ideas for the rooftop scene were blown off, and this triggered her (egged on by Ryan and Taylor) to start creating a whole retrospective narrative of all the other ways she had been disrespected. This is a very common dynamic for a borderline personality.

[Anonymous]

My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Response from Blake's Team

This latest lawsuit from Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios, and its associates is another chapter in the abuser playbook. This is an age-old story: A woman speaks up with concrete evidence of sexual harassment and retaliation and the abuser attempts to turn the tables on the victim. This is what experts call DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim Offender.

Wayfarer has opted to use the resources of its billionaire co-founder to issue media statements, launch meritless lawsuits, and threaten litigation to overwhelm the public’s ability to understand that what they are doing is retaliation against sexual harassment allegations.

They are trying to shift the narrative to Ms. Lively by falsely claiming that she seized creative control and alienated the cast from Mr. Baldoni. The evidence will show that the cast and others had their own negative experiences with Mr. Baldoni and Wayfarer. The evidence will also show that Sony asked Ms. Lively to oversee Sony’s cut of the film, which they then selected for distribution and was a resounding success.

Their response to sexual harassment allegations: she wanted it, it’s her fault. Their justification for why this happened to her: look what she was wearing. In short, while the victim focuses on the abuse, the abuser focuses on the victim. The strategy of attacking the woman is desperate, it does not refute the evidence in Ms. Lively’s complaint, and it will fail.

Wow that is quite weak.

I am interested about what the evidence will show wrt Sony. The Sony email showing how alarmed/surprised they were about Ryan claiming to have written part of the script indicates that they were very sensitive to public perception about the involvement of the A-listers.

[Anonymous]

OK, I couldn’t resist and I’m reading this damn lawsuit.

Love that lively insisted that her character, a flower shop owner, “had money” and could afford the $5,000 shoes she wanted to wear.

I’m about halfway through, Blake seems like a true sociopath. Literally when he said the comment about being hot in the crowded bar, he was talking about the temperature. It seems like she constantly thought everybody was wanting to have sex with her and wanting to see her nude, was just really was not the case.

I’ve always thought the truth was somewhere in the middle, and I’m still willing to believe that, but there’s just no question she manipulated some of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.