Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

It wasn't just the introduction. If you had read it you would've seen it. In fact there were several careless mistakes throughout.

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Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

I think it is more about what a conflicted person Justin is. The speaking out about women's issues then going home and watching porn, the body acceptance for women aspect while dealing with his own body dysmorphia etc. Interestingly a cinematographer from a film maybe ten years ago said that working with Justin was the most difficult experience he has ever had for similar reasons - he says one thing but does another. Wants to always seem sweet and kind and meek to your face but isn't really like that and can't pull it off so he treats people quite badly but then feels bad about it but does it over and over. I thought that matched too with lots of parts of his complaint where he was not only accepting Blakes comments but buttering her up but then complaining to his team about the same things he was praising her for. Lots of the things he said were unnecessary if he was just trying to appease her.

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Anonymous wrote:Response from Blake's Team

This latest lawsuit from Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios, and its associates is another chapter in the abuser playbook. This is an age-old story: A woman speaks up with concrete evidence of sexual harassment and retaliation and the abuser attempts to turn the tables on the victim. This is what experts call DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim Offender.

Wayfarer has opted to use the resources of its billionaire co-founder to issue media statements, launch meritless lawsuits, and threaten litigation to overwhelm the public’s ability to understand that what they are doing is retaliation against sexual harassment allegations.

They are trying to shift the narrative to Ms. Lively by falsely claiming that she seized creative control and alienated the cast from Mr. Baldoni. The evidence will show that the cast and others had their own negative experiences with Mr. Baldoni and Wayfarer. The evidence will also show that Sony asked Ms. Lively to oversee Sony’s cut of the film, which they then selected for distribution and was a resounding success.

Their response to sexual harassment allegations: she wanted it, it’s her fault. Their justification for why this happened to her: look what she was wearing. In short, while the victim focuses on the abuse, the abuser focuses on the victim. The strategy of attacking the woman is desperate, it does not refute the evidence in Ms. Lively’s complaint, and it will fail.

If someone false you accuses you of abuse, you have to just take it apparently, In fact this response also is DARVO. You just have figure out who the abuser is!

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

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That text alone calling herself khaleesi and threatening him with her “dragons” tells you everything you need to know about BL. How pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

It wasn't just the introduction. If you had read it you would've seen it. In fact there were several careless mistakes throughout.

What careless mistakes?

I read a ton of these complaints & answers and this one reads as expected and is very strong. They never read like a contract dispute or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

I think it is more about what a conflicted person Justin is. The speaking out about women's issues then going home and watching porn, the body acceptance for women aspect while dealing with his own body dysmorphia etc. Interestingly a cinematographer from a film maybe ten years ago said that working with Justin was the most difficult experience he has ever had for similar reasons - he says one thing but does another. Wants to always seem sweet and kind and meek to your face but isn't really like that and can't pull it off so he treats people quite badly but then feels bad about it but does it over and over. I thought that matched too with lots of parts of his complaint where he was not only accepting Blakes comments but buttering her up but then complaining to his team about the same things he was praising her for. Lots of the things he said were unnecessary if he was just trying to appease her.

people who are conflicted are the ones working out the issues. If difficult issues were as easy to solve as “Oh I will be good now!” then the issues would not be difficult. A man being sincere about toxic masculinity but still struggling with it (including porn) is nothing to be ashamed of. he’s sincere, which is probably a big no-no in Hollywood.

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Anonymous wrote:Now the rooftop scenes. In April-ish 2023, they were still friendly and Justin was entertaining having her scenes blended in. I completely disagree it was an ambush as they often hung out the apartment and talked about the movie. This time she was trying to convince Justin to let her have the rooftop scene. Taylor came hours later hyping her.

She's appreciative he was willingly to collab with her and goes on how a previous director used some of her ideas and overlooked. She says Ryan and Taylor supportive (calls them her dragons) but it's not to intimidate. She admires them. She's insecure and he knows it. Thats why he gave her the wink emoji. He's boosting her coincidence. He's not walking on egg shells.

April 14th and 15th 2023




In fact it was the other producers who you can tell really had an issue before Blake/Ryan completely lost it. Justin lawyer said he accommodated her because he was fearful. Expect that contradicts from earlier where it was said they were close and comfortable with each other. As someone mentioned it was saidthey laughed deliriously during late-night writing sessions
How interesting. 🤔

May 1st 2023 before the strikes



During the strikes, Blake asks to see the cuts but I will say she's not mean or rude about it. Up until that point Mister laughing deliriously Justin allowed her to help with everything else. He was obviously annoyed but wasn't annoyed enough to stand with the other producers who said no.



Something happens and Blake/Ryan lose it when filming starts. We need more messages around this time to see what changed. I personally think it was Ryan. He did not write that rooftop scene. He looked over it and may have helped edit but that was Blake and Justin's work.

I cannot keep the chronology straight, it I think the “something” that happened was that Blake felt her writing ideas for the rooftop scene were blown off, and this triggered her (egged on by Ryan and Taylor) to start creating a whole retrospective narrative of all the other ways she had been disrespected. This is a very common
dynamic for a borderline personality.

Its hard! I don't know why his lawyer didn't organize it better.

The "ambush"/rooftop meeting happened in sometime April 2023 before filming. Justin agreed her ideas could be used and continuously agreed to change parts of the script. They worked on it together and had a friendly relationship until the SAG strikes stopped production. When they came back in September 2023 is when everything changed.

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Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

I think it is more about what a conflicted person Justin is. The speaking out about women's issues then going home and watching porn, the body acceptance for women aspect while dealing with his own body dysmorphia etc. Interestingly a cinematographer from a film maybe ten years ago said that working with Justin was the most difficult experience he has ever had for similar reasons - he says one thing but does another. Wants to always seem sweet and kind and meek to your face but isn't really like that and can't pull it off so he treats people quite badly but then feels bad about it but does it over and over. I thought that matched too with lots of parts of his complaint where he was not only accepting Blakes comments but buttering her up but then complaining to his team about the same things he was praising her for. Lots of the things he said were unnecessary if he was just trying to appease her.

Link for that cinematographer's comments? I have thought it was strange we haven't heard anything from people who worked on other movies he's directed (either in support of him OR saying they experienced similar to what Lively experienced). Just silence.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

I’ve never seen her act insecure in any sort of public setting. Just watch some interviews. I think that’s just her being all demure and victim-y. I guess you can read things any way you want—and we all come armed with our own experiences and biases—but to me she sounds mostly butthurt. And he just seems to be oscillating between upbeat and mildly frustrated but most pretty normal.

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Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

I think it is more about what a conflicted person Justin is. The speaking out about women's issues then going home and watching porn, the body acceptance for women aspect while dealing with his own body dysmorphia etc. Interestingly a cinematographer from a film maybe ten years ago said that working with Justin was the most difficult experience he has ever had for similar reasons - he says one thing but does another. Wants to always seem sweet and kind and meek to your face but isn't really like that and can't pull it off so he treats people quite badly but then feels bad about it but does it over and over. I thought that matched too with lots of parts of his complaint where he was not only accepting Blakes comments but buttering her up but then complaining to his team about the same things he was praising her for. Lots of the things he said were unnecessary if he was just trying to appease her.

Baldoni starred on Jane the Virgin for what, 5 seasons? If he was that difficult I think it would be better known.

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Anonymous wrote:Now the rooftop scenes. In April-ish 2023, they were still friendly and Justin was entertaining having her scenes blended in. I completely disagree it was an ambush as they often hung out the apartment and talked about the movie. This time she was trying to convince Justin to let her have the rooftop scene. Taylor came hours later hyping her.

She's appreciative he was willingly to collab with her and goes on how a previous director used some of her ideas and overlooked. She says Ryan and Taylor supportive (calls them her dragons) but it's not to intimidate. She admires them. She's insecure and he knows it. Thats why he gave her the wink emoji. He's boosting her coincidence. He's not walking on egg shells.

April 14th and 15th 2023




In fact it was the other producers who you can tell really had an issue before Blake/Ryan completely lost it. Justin lawyer said he accommodated her because he was fearful. Expect that contradicts from earlier where it was said they were close and comfortable with each other. As someone mentioned it was saidthey laughed deliriously during late-night writing sessions
How interesting. 🤔

May 1st 2023 before the strikes



During the strikes, Blake asks to see the cuts but I will say she's not mean or rude about it. Up until that point Mister laughing deliriously Justin allowed her to help with everything else. He was obviously annoyed but wasn't annoyed enough to stand with the other producers who said no.



Something happens and Blake/Ryan lose it when filming starts. We need more messages around this time to see what changed. I personally think it was Ryan. He did not write that rooftop scene. He looked over it and may have helped edit but that was Blake and Justin's work.

I cannot keep the chronology straight, it I think the “something” that happened was that Blake felt her writing ideas for the rooftop scene were blown off, and this triggered her (egged on by Ryan and Taylor) to start creating a whole retrospective narrative of all the other ways she had been disrespected. This is a very common
dynamic for a borderline personality.

Its hard! I don't know why his lawyer didn't organize it better.

The "ambush"/rooftop meeting happened in sometime April 2023 before filming. Justin agreed her ideas could be used and continuously agreed to change parts of the script. They worked on it together and had a friendly relationship until the SAG strikes stopped production. When they came back in September 2023 is when everything changed.

Yeah both complains organize the timeline weird (Lively's starts with the retaliation claims, for instance, which are later in time than the harassment claims) but Baldoni's weird. It is often hard to tell if they are talking about preproduction, the pre-strike filming period, during the strike, or the post-strike filming. And they'll throw in references to things that occurred during marketing if the film at random places too.

I do think both sides are heavily massaging/editing details to support their narratives. There is likely truth in both of them but hard to know what that is.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

I’ve never seen her act insecure in any sort of public setting. Just watch some interviews. I think that’s just her being all demure and victim-y. I guess you can read things any way you want—and we all come armed with our own experiences and biases—but to me she sounds mostly butthurt. And he just seems to be oscillating between upbeat and mildly frustrated but most pretty normal.

+1 Insecure? Have you seen any of her interviews? A self-described Khaleesi is many things (primarily a fool) but definitely not insecure.

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I don't believe his version that they were best of friends, giggling away and then for no reason at all and with no warning, she just falsely created a list of 17 things that made her uncomfortable. I don't believe that came out of thin air that she made some devious psychopathic premediated plan to destroy him even though it had all been the most amazing thing ever up until that point.

After "the list", it is clear there was a lot of negative feelings on both sides and it gets harder to tell what really happened as both are now playing games when texting and being somewhat two-faced.

Blake's text writing style of lengthly poetic posts would drive me a bit crazy but so would all of Justin's whining in his texts.

I feel like the disagreements on the writing, producing, directing, editing aspects must have some documentation given contracts but who knows. I also don't know what is the norm on movie sets with A listers who want input and have executive producer titles as she did.

I am sure it will come out if she really did threaten or intimidate the rest of the cast into turning against Justin.

Justin's real life wife and kids had cameos in the movie. The ObGyn (Adam Mondschein) is a close friend of Baldonis (also Bahai) that has done bits of acting in the past. I wonder if other friends and family had cameos or small parts - although I would assume this is pretty typical in many films.

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Anonymous wrote:My Encounter with Justin Baldoni By Andrew Billen (in The Times) is an interesting read.

I read it. It struck me as frankly bullying Baldoni for being earnest about this stuff.

I think it is more about what a conflicted person Justin is. The speaking out about women's issues then going home and watching porn, the body acceptance for women aspect while dealing with his own body dysmorphia etc. Interestingly a cinematographer from a film maybe ten years ago said that working with Justin was the most difficult experience he has ever had for similar reasons - he says one thing but does another. Wants to always seem sweet and kind and meek to your face but isn't really like that and can't pull it off so he treats people quite badly but then feels bad about it but does it over and over. I thought that matched too with lots of parts of his complaint where he was not only accepting Blakes comments but buttering her up but then complaining to his team about the same things he was praising her for. Lots of the things he said were unnecessary if he was just trying to appease her.

Link for that cinematographer's comments? I have thought it was strange we haven't heard anything from people who worked on other movies he's directed (either in support of him OR saying they experienced similar to what Lively experienced). Just silence.

I don't know where I read it. It was Cody William Smith and I think he said it was over a decade ago so not sure what production.