SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:Why was the thing with Stanford handled so terribly? If they needed to refer to a reason he's not coming back, how about saying his is just loving his life in Japan? The character would never randomly become a monk, that is not believable at all.


I think just to make it permanent. If Stanford moved to Japan it would be weird that he would never come to New York to visit, or no one would go see him in Japan.


I know it would have been difficult, but they needed to do justice to his character by having his character pass away. It could have been a condition that would have “explained” his erratic behavior, as people sometimes do before they die, from brain tumors and such. They could have had an off-screen sister or something be with him in Japan for his final months, and pass on the news to Carrie and Anthony. It would have been a better ending for the character and for Willie Garson.


No it wouldn’t have as Garson specifically asked them not to make his character die.



And they won't have another death after Big's.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.


Isn't LTW's oldest kid the same age as Charlotte's youngest? And Charlotte was over 40 when she had Rock.
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I have a feeling that we all know why PP brought up race, and it's because they are racist.

Nya is hot. She was also in a good place to have a hot sexual relationship with no other strings attached (though seems like that's about to change). She also has a really nice apartment. It doesn't seem like a wild stretch of the imagination that a younger guy would find all that appealing!



She's also brilliant by the by. Some men are actually impressed and turned on by that.


Not PP and I agree that she is attractive, but her character is fairly underdeveloped on the show, and I am having trouble getting into her storyline. They need to do more with her.


Oh, for SURE. She also seems totally off on another show from the other characters. Like Seema is there having dinner with the main crew - and her only real contact is that Miranda is living in her apartment, at this point.

I do feel like I know who she is - they've drawn a character who feels familiar - but her storyline is so small and so separate from everyone else. Maybe she'll get drawn in more now that she's going to go through an emotional crisis.



Well Miranda is the only well-educated one in the group, so I can see why it's difficult to integrate Naya with the others who talk about little other than boys and materialistic crap. Miranda's social cluelessness was endearing though, and the disconnect between her professional success vs dating life mistakes was the foundation of many of her storylines. Even if Naya is sad about her divorce, she's a confident and successful woman, so then what?


Charlotte is quite well educated - I think she went to a top private school and undergrad and she had a high profile job in the art world and just got back into that. They don't let just anyone off the street sell crappy art to Sam Smith.

Charlotte went to Smith, if memory serves.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


Which gives her an 80% chance of miscarrying. I suppose the only unrealistic part of the storyline is her not acknowledging her low risk of carrying it to term. But I’m 48, and if I got pregnant, I’d freak out too. Just because it does happen.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


Which gives her an 80% chance of miscarrying. I suppose the only unrealistic part of the storyline is her not acknowledging her low risk of carrying it to term. But I’m 48, and if I got pregnant, I’d freak out too. Just because it does happen.


A good friend got pregnant shortly after turning 45 and had a perfectly healthy pregnancy. It does happen, especially to women who've already had successful pregnancies. Yes, it's probably realistic to have the discussion about odds but she was having symptoms and needed to prepare for it.
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


…according to who? Where are you drawing that conclusion with any certainty? The actress is 52. Why you’ve decided the character is 7 years younger than the actress portraying her, and a full THIRTEEN years younger than the actress who plays her character’s contemporary is beyond any reasonable thinking. It’s common for high-powered NYC women to have babies later than 30. What made you decide LTW had babies at 30 vs. 35? It’s absurd. Are you really this afraid of aging? Are you really this indignant about a woman in her FIFTIES having a miscarriage on a television show?
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


…according to who? Where are you drawing that conclusion with any certainty? The actress is 52. Why you’ve decided the character is 7 years younger than the actress portraying her, and a full THIRTEEN years younger than the actress who plays her character’s contemporary is beyond any reasonable thinking. It’s common for high-powered NYC women to have babies later than 30. What made you decide LTW had babies at 30 vs. 35? It’s absurd. Are you really this afraid of aging? Are you really this indignant about a woman in her FIFTIES having a miscarriage on a television show?



Your intensity concerning your position is odd. The majority of us believe the Lisa character is younger than Charlotte. Neither is playing their RL age-- are you familiar with Hollywood? Charlotte is still perimenopausal which suggests early 50s. Lisa remarked she thought she was no longer fertile, now realizes she's "on the border." That absolutely suggests 45. If she were 50 or older, she'd be utterly shocked and the number one topic of conversation would have been her age, the risk, and the almost-certain pregnancy loss to come. You are both weirdly emotional and illogical about their apparent ages on the show. So maybe calm down?
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I have a question - is this getting a third season?
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


…according to who? Where are you drawing that conclusion with any certainty? The actress is 52. Why you’ve decided the character is 7 years younger than the actress portraying her, and a full THIRTEEN years younger than the actress who plays her character’s contemporary is beyond any reasonable thinking. It’s common for high-powered NYC women to have babies later than 30. What made you decide LTW had babies at 30 vs. 35? It’s absurd. Are you really this afraid of aging? Are you really this indignant about a woman in her FIFTIES having a miscarriage on a television show?



Your intensity concerning your position is odd. The majority of us believe the Lisa character is younger than Charlotte. Neither is playing their RL age-- are you familiar with Hollywood? Charlotte is still perimenopausal which suggests early 50s. Lisa remarked she thought she was no longer fertile, now realizes she's "on the border." That absolutely suggests 45. If she were 50 or older, she'd be utterly shocked and the number one topic of conversation would have been her age, the risk, and the almost-certain pregnancy loss to come. You are both weirdly emotional and illogical about their apparent ages on the show. So maybe calm down?


Nah, I’m good. You deciding the character is way younger than all evidence points to is very telling about your insecurity about aging. You seem to want this character to have had an abortion, or to have wrestled with that decision. She talked about it, and decided she couldn’t do that—why does that bother you? That’s a very realistic decision that a lot of women make. They know they have a choice, they are glad they have a choice, but they personally could not choose to have an abortion. That upsets you why?
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.



Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.


Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.


No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.


…according to who? Where are you drawing that conclusion with any certainty? The actress is 52. Why you’ve decided the character is 7 years younger than the actress portraying her, and a full THIRTEEN years younger than the actress who plays her character’s contemporary is beyond any reasonable thinking. It’s common for high-powered NYC women to have babies later than 30. What made you decide LTW had babies at 30 vs. 35? It’s absurd. Are you really this afraid of aging? Are you really this indignant about a woman in her FIFTIES having a miscarriage on a television show?



Your intensity concerning your position is odd. The majority of us believe the Lisa character is younger than Charlotte. Neither is playing their RL age-- are you familiar with Hollywood? Charlotte is still perimenopausal which suggests early 50s. Lisa remarked she thought she was no longer fertile, now realizes she's "on the border." That absolutely suggests 45. If she were 50 or older, she'd be utterly shocked and the number one topic of conversation would have been her age, the risk, and the almost-certain pregnancy loss to come. You are both weirdly emotional and illogical about their apparent ages on the show. So maybe calm down?


Nah, I’m good. You deciding the character is way younger than all evidence points to is very telling about your insecurity about aging. You seem to want this character to have had an abortion, or to have wrestled with that decision. She talked about it, and decided she couldn’t do that—why does that bother you? That’s a very realistic decision that a lot of women make. They know they have a choice, they are glad they have a choice, but they personally could not choose to have an abortion. That upsets you why?



I didn't make one comment about abortion. Your weird leaps are...
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Gosh, I hope so. It's finally getting good!
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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.


We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.


It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.


99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.


Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.


You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.



Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.


“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.


Lisa has an 8 year old child. Very likely she's late 40s at most.
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