UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone decipher his career/LinkedIn? Shouldn't a good looking extremely smart prep school kid with an Ivy BA (and MA?) in computer science be making major cash by age 27? Or be the founder of some startup or app with a huge VC valuation?

Not if he has schizophrenia.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor little rich boy (who appears to have issue been salty about a lot more than insurance companies.) gee, maybe we shouldn’t valorize premeditated murder?

Why would him being rich change anyone’s opinion about the CEO and United Healthcare’s business practices?

NP here. Well learning that his parents made their fortune from assisted living facilities, it’s like pick your poison. Do I screw over people via health insurance or do I screw over elderly and disabled people who have dementia, Alzheimer’s, etc and milk their families dry.

Yeah, neither family has clean hands here. Not saying it justifies murder but the hypocrisy is stunning. He’s no Robin Hood.

Yup. Interesting that the son of a family collecting medicaid/medicare payouts proceeds to shoot CEO of one of those insurance companies.

Elaborate on this?

Someone back ~10 pages said his family owns assisted living facilities and skilled nursing facilities. The skilled nursing facilites are medical facilities. People there are self pay, or have private insurance, or have Medicaid/Medicare.

And this has nothing to do with anything…..

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His family was filthy rich what a clown

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve driven through Altoona and it’s a miserable place. I’m glad people are boycotting the losers who turned him in. And McDonalds of all places. Figures.

Awesome idea, boycott the store where some (literally) poor law-abiding person works. That’ll show them. I hope that loser gets fired and can’t pay their rent. I’m with the prep school/Ivy League murderer!

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone decipher his career/LinkedIn? Shouldn't a good looking extremely smart prep school kid with an Ivy BA (and MA?) in computer science be making major cash by age 27? Or be the founder of some startup or app with a huge VC valuation?

Not if he has schizophrenia.

He is rich, well educated, and attractive. He would be living quite well if he wasn’t crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:This trial is going to be a circus.

He’s going to take a plea.

Yeah no way this goes to trial unless he pleads insanity and even then very good chance of a plea.

Crime is on video, footage of him at Starbucks, and they found the gun and the fake idea he used to check into the NYC hostel PLUS a 3-page "manifesto" that will show motive, on him in Altoona.

He's cooked.

Probably, but that also means they don't need to offer him anything. Posters here may have fanciful ideas about jury nullification, but there's no way a jury doesn't convict on first degree murder here.

Yeah?

If I’m on that jury, I’ll hold out until it hangs. I don’t care what they say, I just won’t convict. Period.

Now, there’s plenty of people out there like me.

+1, guy will never be convicted.

Yes he would. The evidence is insurmountable at this point. It isn’t a jurors job to decide if the crime was ethically justified. Their job is to analyze if there is enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for the crime they are charged with

I've been on juries. It's just a group of randos doing what they will.

Agreed. I’ve been stunned by the compromise a jury was willing to make with the one guy who wouldn’t settle for anything less than a guilty on one of the charges.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone who fell for this imagined hero feels like a fool.

Why would they? He still took a stand against corporate medical greed.

Found one of the fools!

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Wow! That looks just like a WW2 Welrod. /s

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Call me by your name, Luigi!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so much empathy for his family. How devastatingly tragic.

Yeah as much as we are celebrating him I would still be devastated if my child threw his life away doing something like this. Odds are he’s getting some prison time and he’ll be sitting in a cell for many years after the news cycle moves on. He is clearly well educated and had someone investing a lot in him. I wish there was another way to overthrow the ruling class without young people feeling this desperate.

That said … for all the other disgruntled people out there who want to kill and be in the news, take note at how glorified this guy is compared to school shooters. If you want to go out in a blaze of glory, this is a better angle than killing kids and teachers, just sayin’.

But this kid was part of the ruling class through his family’s wealth and earning money off of medical reimbursements…

How is operating nursing homes similar to an insurance CEO using unethical means to deny claims?

Is his family scamming anyone? Or are they providing a needed service to the elderly community? There doesn’t seem to be anything more immoral about this business than any other medical facility. And who exactly was harmed? Are you saying the patients are being unfairly treated in someway? Also do you think his family is raking in billions each year and stock options?

I just don’t see how this is at all the same.

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Nursing homes operate HUGE scams all the time, the residents/patients are subjected to many tests and procedures that are completely unnecessary under the guise of medical care for the sole purpose of billing insurance and receiving payment.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone who fell for this imagined hero feels like a fool.

Why would they? He still took a stand against corporate medical greed.

My insurance walked back their proposed limits on anesthesia. Not sure that would have happened in the absence of the shooting.

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Anonymous wrote:His family was filthy rich what a clown

They are mafia. Connected to the top Mafiosa.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor little rich boy (who appears to have issue been salty about a lot more than insurance companies.) gee, maybe we shouldn’t valorize premeditated murder?

Why would him being rich change anyone’s opinion about the CEO and United Healthcare’s business practices?

NP here. Well learning that his parents made their fortune from assisted living facilities, it’s like pick your poison. Do I screw over people via health insurance or do I screw over elderly and disabled people who have dementia, Alzheimer’s, etc and milk their families dry.

Yeah, neither family has clean hands here. Not saying it justifies murder but the hypocrisy is stunning. He’s no Robin Hood.

Yup. Interesting that the son of a family collecting medicaid/medicare payouts proceeds to shoot CEO of one of those insurance companies.

Elaborate on this?

Family owns 9+ assissed living places in MD.

NP. And…?

Do you also equate doctors receiving payment from Medicare for treating patients to be on par with an insurance giant denying coverage?

NP here. Because those kind of places are notorious for mistreating patients and being miserable places to but someone as you wait for them to die. Ever been to one? Ever had a relative have to stay in one? I have. My aunt was in Woodbine in Alexandria. It was awful. She just laid in her bed or was wheeled in a wheelchair in the hall all day long. Her stuff was constantly getting stolen. And the nursing home actually sued to tried to get them named as beneficiary of her life insurance (like something out of that true story Netflix movie I Care A Lot). My uncle is in one now for dementia. They drug him so he complies. He is a zombie and has random bruising on his body all the time. You have to visit your relatives at these places all the time or else they’re just left by staff to rot. Go to the Eldercaee forum.

So yeah, these 9 times out of 10 these places are awful. And his family gets rich off of them. That health care system sucks.

So we got a super privileged rich kid who probably has access to excellent health care get upset at the health care industry because they can’t fix him? There is zero chance him and his family can’t afford the care they need. Cry me a river.

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Anonymous wrote:This trial is going to be a circus.

He’s going to take a plea.

Yeah no way this goes to trial unless he pleads insanity and even then very good chance of a plea.

Crime is on video, footage of him at Starbucks, and they found the gun and the fake idea he used to check into the NYC hostel PLUS a 3-page "manifesto" that will show motive, on him in Altoona.

He's cooked.

Probably, but that also means they don't need to offer him anything. Posters here may have fanciful ideas about jury nullification, but there's no way a jury doesn't convict on first degree murder here.

Yeah?

If I’m on that jury, I’ll hold out until it hangs. I don’t care what they say, I just won’t convict. Period.

Now, there’s plenty of people out there like me.

+1, guy will never be convicted.

Yes he would. The evidence is insurmountable at this point. It isn’t a jurors job to decide if the crime was ethically justified. Their job is to analyze if there is enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for the crime they are charged with

I've been on juries. It's just a group of randos doing what they will.

True but you take an oath to act in good faith and make a decision based on the charge and the evidence presented. If the evidence is very obvious, jurors aren’t going to pretend it isn’t and let him go. He killed someone

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so much empathy for his family. How devastatingly tragic.

Yeah as much as we are celebrating him I would still be devastated if my child threw his life away doing something like this. Odds are he’s getting some prison time and he’ll be sitting in a cell for many years after the news cycle moves on. He is clearly well educated and had someone investing a lot in him. I wish there was another way to overthrow the ruling class without young people feeling this desperate.

That said … for all the other disgruntled people out there who want to kill and be in the news, take note at how glorified this guy is compared to school shooters. If you want to go out in a blaze of glory, this is a better angle than killing kids and teachers, just sayin’.

But this kid was part of the ruling class through his family’s wealth and earning money off of medical reimbursements…

How is operating nursing homes similar to an insurance CEO using unethical means to deny claims?

Is his family scamming anyone? Or are they providing a needed service to the elderly community? There doesn’t seem to be anything more immoral about this business than any other medical facility. And who exactly was harmed? Are you saying the patients are being unfairly treated in someway? Also do you think his family is raking in billions each year and stock options?

I just don’t see how this is at all the same.

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Nursing homes operate HUGE scams all the time, the residents/patients are subjected to many tests and procedures that are completely unnecessary under the guise of medical care for the sole purpose of billing insurance and receiving payment.

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Also mental health institutions. There are a bunch of podcasts with personal stories about this.
If you have good insurance, always say that your mental health is good when you are asked at a medical facility. Get your mental healthcare on your own dime outpatient privately. Otherwise, you’ll be roped in whether you want to or not. Ownership wants that money.