“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

[Anonymous]

Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first.

This. Whoever is saying that there were Republican Senators besides Collins and Murkowski who would vote on some kind of compromise bill are lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The politicization of medicine is a very bad thing

And yet, that is exactly what the Catholic Church, evangelicals and the Republican Party have done, so here we are. Now medical professionals have to explain that abortion is medically necessary in some cases and that it’s not a zero sum gain; if there are further restrictions on abortions, people will still die. You may produce more infants, but some women will die as a result and some of their fetuses will die anyway, even if they’re not aborted.

You certainly can’t blame a 2022 Lancet editorial for the politicization of abortions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

WTF!

Why do moderates blame progressives all the time for staying passive and at the same time give RW a pass for doing the despicable things? Moderates need to wake up start voting Democrats all the time until all three wings of government come back to care for the majority of the country in stead of being mad at progressives.

No matter what you think progressives, they fight for everyone instead of trying to hog resources for a small rich and corrupt section of the society.

[Anonymous]

Because you voted third party when you knew there was not a snowballs chance in hell of a third party winning in 2016. So basically you just gave votes to Trump

[Anonymous]

And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.

Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because you voted third party when you knew there was not a snowballs chance in hell of a third party winning in 2016. So basically you just gave votes to Trump

Who voted third party?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The politicization of medicine is a very bad thing

And yet, that is exactly what the Catholic Church, evangelicals and the Republican Party have done, so here we are. Now medical professionals have to explain that abortion is medically necessary in some cases and that it’s not a zero sum gain; if there are further restrictions on abortions, people will still die. You may produce more infants, but some women will die as a result and some of their fetuses will die anyway, even if they’re not aborted.

You certainly can’t blame a 2022 Lancet editorial for the politicization of abortions.

Exactly.

The religious zealots are political activists, fighting for decades to insert themselves in the doctor’s office with you. Because they believe they can make better choices for you.

The RW religious nutters and the GOP have politicized the S out of abortion. It shouldn’t really be up for debate - it’s a medical procedure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.

I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.

I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.

I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.

I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.

Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.

Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.

15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.

Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.

Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because you voted third party when you knew there was not a snowballs chance in hell of a third party winning in 2016. So basically you just gave votes to Trump

Who voted third party?

About half of the people I know voted for Bernie because they wanted to be able to sleep that night and just wouldn't be able to if they voted for Hillary.
Let's just say they were more than shocked when Trump won. And all of sudden Hillary didn't look so bad.

[Anonymous]

To all the people saying that women should just use birth control if they don't want to get pregnant. What do you do if you get pregnant and are a virgin??
I have a friend Mary who would like to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

WTF!

Why do moderates blame progressives all the time for staying passive and at the same time give RW a pass for doing the despicable things? Moderates need to wake up start voting Democrats all the time until all three wings of government come back to care for the majority of the country in stead of being mad at progressives.

No matter what you think progressives, they fight for everyone instead of trying to hog resources for a small rich and corrupt section of the society.

Most of them are decent people, but had they voted for Hillary in November of 2016, there would have been no President Trump. They let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The Republicans are shamelessly, cartoonishly evil — but one thing you have to give them credit for is banding together and toeing the Party line. They work together as a team. They will defend the indefensible if need be. The ones who don’t lie, cheat and steal will turn a blind eye to the lying, cheating and stealing of their fellow Republicans — whatever it takes to win. That’s why they’ve won so much.

I’m not advocating that the Democratic Party should use Republican tactics to win at all costs, but JC, would it kill Manchin to help out his own party on the biggest issues of the day?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.

Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years

Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

WTF!

Why do moderates blame progressives all the time for staying passive and at the same time give RW a pass for doing the despicable things? Moderates need to wake up start voting Democrats all the time until all three wings of government come back to care for the majority of the country in stead of being mad at progressives.

No matter what you think progressives, they fight for everyone instead of trying to hog resources for a small rich and corrupt section of the society.

Most of them are decent people, but had they voted for Hillary in November of 2016, there would have been no President Trump. They let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The Republicans are shamelessly, cartoonishly evil — but one thing you have to give them credit for is banding together and toeing the Party line. They work together as a team. They will defend the indefensible if need be. The ones who don’t lie, cheat and steal will turn a blind eye to the lying, cheating and stealing of their fellow Republicans — whatever it takes to win. That’s why they’ve won so much.

I’m not advocating that the Democratic Party should use Republican tactics to win at all costs, but JC, would it kill Manchin to help out his own party on the biggest issues of the day?!

Got a little sidetracked there. I was not calling Manchin a progressive, lol. I’m just saying that it will take everyone who isn’t a Republican to defeat the Republicans at the polls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?

WTF!

Why do moderates blame progressives all the time for staying passive and at the same time give RW a pass for doing the despicable things? Moderates need to wake up start voting Democrats all the time until all three wings of government come back to care for the majority of the country in stead of being mad at progressives.

No matter what you think progressives, they fight for everyone instead of trying to hog resources for a small rich and corrupt section of the society.

Most of them are decent people, but had they voted for Hillary in November of 2016, there would have been no President Trump. They let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The Republicans are shamelessly, cartoonishly evil — but one thing you have to give them credit for is banding together and toeing the Party line. They work together as a team. They will defend the indefensible if need be. The ones who don’t lie, cheat and steal will turn a blind eye to the lying, cheating and stealing of their fellow Republicans — whatever it takes to win. That’s why they’ve won so much.

I’m not advocating that the Democratic Party should use Republican tactics to win at all costs, but JC, would it kill Manchin to help out his own party on the biggest issues of the day?!

You are confusing one thing with other...Liberals do not behave like sheep, which is a a good thing. Progressive idealists who voted for Bernie are not responsible for the the Trump election debacle. Moderates who do not vote looking for the perfect candidate are responsible for Trump's election.

Progressives who lobby for climate change, LGBTQ rights, POC rights, Medicare for all, raising minimum wage are not responsible for Republicans' anti American stand to sell the country to dark money. GOP has been voting against bills that are popular for a long while. This is not on progressives to stop, but for moderates to not be complacent.

Manchin is not a progressive and he is sold to corporate interest group. What moderates can do is to elect more Democratic senators to take power away from the likes of Manchin and Sinema.

[Anonymous]

There is no perfect candidate. I'm sorry you are never going to agree with 100% of who someone is or what they stand for. It's time that you figure out what is important to you.
If having the supreme Court is not important to you, then by all means you do you