Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

"Friends" aren't the top priority.

If you're kid is the type of kid aiming for TJ, its baked in that you will loose some of your peer group.

They also can maintain those friendships outside of school.

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Their reasons as per the meeting at the school and the school board meeting where they had a few speakers have been a joke:
1. We bought our homes because of Oakton (so what? that's a risk)

Certain neighborhoods cost more due to schools. Some are cheaper. A lot of people in crossfield aren't "normal"

2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)

Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

3. Our kids play in sports and do activities with only kids going to Oakton (um, nope, your kids play in CYA or CYA-affiliated clubs and most CYA kids go to Chantilly or Westfield)

How do you know which leagues my kids go to or if they're in travel leagues with Oakton kids?

4. Oakton is much closer to our homes (um, nope)

For me personally it's roughly the same travel time depending on time of day.

5. Crossing Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous (um, your kids do it for Carson, not to mention that the drive to Oakton is far more dangerous, kids either get on the highway or have to drive on windy narrow roads)

I66 is kind of slow from 7am on so I'm not worried.

I drive on I-66 every day at 7:30am and it is absolutely not slow. I get that it's one exit, but I wouldn't want a new driver on that exit when it's stop and go backed up all the way to 50.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

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2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

"Friends" aren't the top priority.

If you're kid is the type of kid aiming for TJ, its baked in that you will loose some of your peer group.

In that case, half of their argument for staying at Oakton is gone.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

Lee's Corner was never mentioned in the early plans. It makes no sense.

Right it doesn’t make sense. But when the school board caters to whiners instead of making hard decisions, we end up with maps that make no sense. Crossfield is whining about going to the new school and Meren is whining about Fox Mill going there. So now they have to come up with an option that doesn’t involve either school. I suspect they’re then going to end up with a different group of people vocally complaining. Which is why they just need to use their own established criteria and make a damn decision.

At the SLHS PTA meeting, Meren said that she was going to decide where she stands when she sees the opt in numbers. I think she might be realizing that people choose Western even with all the confusion. She sounds like she is over all of this.

I really think they are going to use the opt in numbers. That tells them what communities have people who want to move. If that is the case, the question becomes what percentages are they looking for.

That’s interesting.

If Meren doesn’t actively block the move, Fox Mill may be in.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

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2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

"Friends" aren't the top priority.

If you're kid is the type of kid aiming for TJ, its baked in that you will loose some of your peer group.

In that case, half of their argument for staying at Oakton is gone.

Yes, because those who want to stay in the Oakton pyramid all do for the same reasons…

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

They are very unlikely to say no to any proposal Dr. Reid puts in front of them. Have you been paying attention to the boundary review these last two weeks?

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

Lee's Corner was never mentioned in the early plans. It makes no sense.

Right it doesn’t make sense. But when the school board caters to whiners instead of making hard decisions, we end up with maps that make no sense. Crossfield is whining about going to the new school and Meren is whining about Fox Mill going there. So now they have to come up with an option that doesn’t involve either school. I suspect they’re then going to end up with a different group of people vocally complaining. Which is why they just need to use their own established criteria and make a damn decision.

At the SLHS PTA meeting, Meren said that she was going to decide where she stands when she sees the opt in numbers. I think she might be realizing that people choose Western even with all the confusion. She sounds like she is over all of this.

I really think they are going to use the opt in numbers. That tells them what communities have people who want to move. If that is the case, the question becomes what percentages are they looking for.

That’s interesting.

If Meren doesn’t actively block the move, Fox Mill may be in.

Meren has been unhappy with this entire process and seems to be in the minority. She spends a lot of time complaining about how things ended. I am not sure she can block Fox Mill. But who knows.

The RIO parents can happily offer up Fox Mill to move.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Does that mean Oak Hill could be zoned back to Chantilly in 5 years?

By the logic of the group here, if Fox Mill or Crossfield go to Western they would be rezoned first as they are the furthest away.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

LOL, you don’t know what’s going on.

The boundary issue is probably the single most important topic for many parents and boundary changes are the only time many of them ever email or call FCPS board members.

Reid came up with draft Options A through D without telling the board, and now those options are gone.

For the comprehensive boundary review, what happened to Scenarios 1 through 4 after tons of parents complained to the board?

Board members are politicians, and boundaries are the single most controversial political issue they face.

Do you think they will care about $300 gas money?

Don’t be naive.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

The thing is, it's not elected officials drawing the boundary lines. It is FCPS Facilities drawing the boundary lines and the elected officials are merely saying yay or nay. And frankly, they are very unlikely to say nay to something that looks reasonable and has sound reasoning behind it (for example, the bus routes to Western from most Crossfield neighborhoods will be reduced by up to 10 miles each way because of the distance. This will save FCPS $300/day in gas.)

LOL, you don’t know what’s going on.

The boundary issue is probably the single most important topic for many parents and boundary changes are the only time many of them ever email or call FCPS board members.

Reid came up with draft Options A through D without telling the board, and now those options are gone.

For the comprehensive boundary review, what happened to Scenarios 1 through 4 after tons of parents complained to the board?

Board members are politicians, and boundaries are the single most controversial political issue they face.

Do you think they will care about $300 gas money?

Don’t be naive.

If Pro Western Crossfield parents were so concerned with saving the county money why didn’t they advocate to move to South Lakes during the boundary review?

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

But, Oakton and South Lakes were part of the original discussions after the purchase

During the vote to purchase--if you watched the work sessions and School Board meetings.
Frisch and McDaniel both brought up the very long commute to Oakton.
It was also pointed out that Oakton went over capacity this year and is expected to grow with all the new construction nearby.
So, Oakton was not just thrown into the mix. It was part of the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

What criteria?

The criteria for the comprehensive boundary review do NOT necessarily apply here. These are two separate processes.

Review all the slides. The criteria are not the same. The only important criterion for Western HS is to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield.

Oakton and SLHS were only included because they are nearby.

You can argue which schools need relief, but since you brought up the criteria, I’m referring to what is actually on the slides.

As for Crossfield, keeping them in Oakton is not as illogical as you believe.

Sure, somebody has to go to the new school. But what if there are many families who don’t mind sending their kids to Western?

A hypothetical but very likely scenario: Let’s say most Crossfield families want to stay, but many other communities want to go to Western High.

Should elected officials force Crossfield to go to Western against their will and keep some other communities out of the Western boundary against their will?

I think the elected officials should absolutely listen to constituents’ input.

Maybe this concept is foreign to you, but it’s called “democracy.”

Sure, this may end up with long commutes and slightly more gas money, but remember: democracy doesn’t always result in the most efficient outcome.

But, Oakton and South Lakes were part of the original discussions after the purchase

During the vote to purchase--if you watched the work sessions and School Board meetings.
Frisch and McDaniel both brought up the very long commute to Oakton.
It was also pointed out that Oakton went over capacity this year and is expected to grow with all the new construction nearby.
So, Oakton was not just thrown into the mix. It was part of the mix.

Yes it is a part of mix.

But the stated goal per the presentation and the webpage is to reduce the enrollment of Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville.

That’s it.