Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Where will they push Fox Mill and Crossfield to if Innovation ES is zoned to Western?

HHS and SLHS?

Not HHS due to distance but SLHS if there is capacity. If there isn’t it would be a tough one.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Where will they push Fox Mill and Crossfield to if Innovation ES is zoned to Western?

HHS and SLHS?

Not HHS due to distance but SLHS if there is capacity. If there isn’t it would be a tough one.

So the older sibling goes to Western, the younger sibling goes to SLHS. The youngest has nowhere to go?

[Anonymous]

I just this whole long drawn out process is dumb and has given time to the Oakton parents to organize and have secret meetings. If they had released the maps early, there would be no drama.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

Why should taxpayers pay the additional transportation costs to keep Crossfield at Oakton. Especially, since Oakton will soon be overcrowded?

How much money have you projected this to cost?

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Doesn't this back up what PPs have been saying then that it's mostly parents of older kids fighting this? Younger kids will go there once it's already established.

No. Some people, like the principal at Western, are using the term sincerely, but many people saying "unknown" are using the term as a euphemism. The Oakton moms know that Western will not be ranked as highly Oakton. Using "unknown" sidesteps discussions on high school rankings, race and socio-economics. Their real concern is that a switch to Western would mean that the high school zoned to their property is lower in the rankings.

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Their reasons as per the meeting at the school and the school board meeting where they had a few speakers have been a joke:
1. We bought our homes because of Oakton (so what? that's a risk)

Certain neighborhoods cost more due to schools. Some are cheaper. A lot of people in crossfield aren't "normal"

2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)

Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

3. Our kids play in sports and do activities with only kids going to Oakton (um, nope, your kids play in CYA or CYA-affiliated clubs and most CYA kids go to Chantilly or Westfield)

How do you know which leagues my kids go to or if they're in travel leagues with Oakton kids?

4. Oakton is much closer to our homes (um, nope)

For me personally it's roughly the same travel time depending on time of day.

5. Crossing Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous (um, your kids do it for Carson, not to mention that the drive to Oakton is far more dangerous, kids either get on the highway or have to drive on windy narrow roads)

I66 is kind of slow from 7am on so I'm not worried.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

Lee's Corner was never mentioned in the early plans. It makes no sense.

I think someone said that one of the Crossfield moms works at Gatehouse. They may have undue influence.

Someone said? I like rumors too. Remember when people criticized RIO’s website for being ugly but then thought they had the same capability to mirror image FCPS’ boundary tool?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Where will they push Fox Mill and Crossfield to if Innovation ES is zoned to Western?

HHS and SLHS?

Not HHS due to distance but SLHS if there is capacity. If there isn’t it would be a tough one.

What is Innovation Elementary School? Where is it going to be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

It’s simple. The RIO people think they are better than the people who will end up at the new high school, and thus they deserve what they perceive to be a better school (Oakton). They will say their BS about preparing for Oakton, having bought a home zoned for Oakton, their community is in Oakton, that Oakton is currently not overcrowded. That is all a cover for what they won’t say out loud unless they think you are one of them. Certain Oakton people do not want their kids around the kids they think will be at the new school. It’s the same as the Langley situation. Some people who work for the county are some of the worst in saying disparaging things about kids from other schools. Parents hear things from people “on the inside” and get scared.

RIO will be more than happy to advocate for Lees Corner to move to the new school so they don’t have to. If or when a map with a commenting function comes out, they will be all over it.

I hope Lees Corner parents are paying attention. RIO is ready to steamroll right over you to get what they want.

Ironic. These people send their kids to Oakton. The high school will have similar FARMS. I think it is about sports.

It's about not wanting to leave a highly ranked HS for an unknown HS. It might be about sports. Oakton has an excellent academic reputation with great clubs. Parents probably don't want to give that up for a school that currently has nothing.

The Oak Hill families I know are not excited about leaving Chantilly for similar reasons. Same for SLHS, there are people who don't want to leave for the unknown. The Principal at Western flat out said that he knows people are worried about opting in because they don't know what the school is going to look like, it is a risk.

Some people see the positives and are more risk acceptant then others.

Ok, but someone has to go to the new school. Is there a reason Oakton families should be shielded from uncertainty over others with similar concerns? See where the logic breaks down?

Because Crossfield has screamed to not go to Western and other schools have been fine with the idea. The main school complaining about moving has been Crossfield. Other schools have been happy, Floris, resigned but not awfully annoyed, Chantilly, quiet, McNair and Coates, and content with the idea of moving, Fox Mill. While there is solid logic to Crossfield moving, I am not denying that, the only community who has actively tried to avoid moving has been Crossfield.

I get that you want to move and that there is a community at Crossfield that wants to move but your PTO has been meeting with everyone, including Reid, saying they don't want to move while others have been meeting saying they do want to move or not saying much at all.

If Lees Corner gets rezoned in a new option I suspect they are going to push back on it. And they will have a valid argument of being much closer to Chantilly than Crossfield people are to Oakton. This will be the true test of whether the school board uses logic or just listens to the biggest whiners.

Again, someone has to go to the new school. They laid out criteria for determining who should go. Crossfield wants to defy logic and practical considerations. Perhaps the school communities that have been quiet are simply less entitled.

Why should taxpayers pay the additional transportation costs to keep Crossfield at Oakton. Especially, since Oakton will soon be overcrowded?

How much money have you projected this to cost?

$6.7 Million

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We do not want to go to Western, we are just concerned we will be pushed to Westfield after 5 years as Chantilly is over capacity.

Is anyone else concerned that once Innovation ES is built and filled up, Crossfield or Fox Mill will get pushed out of Western? Innovation will almost certainly be zoned to Western.

Where will they push Fox Mill and Crossfield to if Innovation ES is zoned to Western?

HHS and SLHS?

Not HHS due to distance but SLHS if there is capacity. If there isn’t it would be a tough one.

What is Innovation Elementary School? Where is it going to be?

Probably the Silver Line Elementary School.

[Anonymous]

2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

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2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

PP herself her kids aren’t normal. Clearly she isn’t either. She thinks that’s a good thing. Her kids will learn the hard way that social skills go a long way in a successful career. Lots of smart broke people in STEM, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

Their reasons as per the meeting at the school and the school board meeting where they had a few speakers have been a joke:
1. We bought our homes because of Oakton (so what? that's a risk)
2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)
3. Our kids play in sports and do activities with only kids going to Oakton (um, nope, your kids play in CYA or CYA-affiliated clubs and most CYA kids go to Chantilly or Westfield)
4. Oakton is much closer to our homes (um, nope)
5. Crossing Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous (um, your kids do it for Carson, not to mention that the drive to Oakton is far more dangerous, kids either get on the highway or have to drive on windy narrow roads)

These RIO parents are borderline psychotic!

They’re reasoning SCREAMS angry 2 year old throwing a fit on the floor of a Costco.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What reason have the "rooted in Oakton" people given for staying at Oakton--other than that is what they want?

As for purchasing a house for the schools, that could apply to any of the people who do not want to move.

Anyone with a brain can see that it is ridiculous to send kids 10 to 12 miles away over a school that is 2 to 3 miles away.

It is safer and cheaper to send them to the new school. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay to bus these kids on long bus rides that cost lots more dollars to the school system? The bus drivers cannot make as many runs. It requires more buses because of this. It requires more bus drivers. It requires more maintenance. It requires more gas/energy.

This is not a straight 10-12 mile route. It either requires getting on 50 to I66--heavily trafficked, or taking winding and hilly back roads which are also heavily trafficked.

This may be the stupidest choice Reid is making.

That is just simple logic.

Their reasons as per the meeting at the school and the school board meeting where they had a few speakers have been a joke:
1. We bought our homes because of Oakton (so what? that's a risk)
2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)
3. Our kids play in sports and do activities with only kids going to Oakton (um, nope, your kids play in CYA or CYA-affiliated clubs and most CYA kids go to Chantilly or Westfield)
4. Oakton is much closer to our homes (um, nope)
5. Crossing Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous (um, your kids do it for Carson, not to mention that the drive to Oakton is far more dangerous, kids either get on the highway or have to drive on windy narrow roads)

These RIO parents are borderline psychotic!

They’re reasoning SCREAMS angry 2 year old throwing a fit on the floor of a Costco.

Same with those Crossfield parents who want to go to Western and try to silence Fox Mill’s voice. It must be in the water over there.

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2. Our kids' middle school friends are ALL going to Oakton (um, only if your kid is in AAP and even then, only like 1/3 of those kids are going to Oakton. For normal kids, none of their new friends are going to Oakton)


Guess my kids aren't normal. It's TJ or Oakton for my daughter's.

So, your child has made NO friends at Carson except the ones she was in elementary school with? You so know there are AAP kids at Carson who go to Chantilly? Westfield? South Lakes? But, your child has made no new friends? Sad.

"Friends" aren't the top priority.

If you're kid is the type of kid aiming for TJ, its baked in that you will loose some of your peer group.