I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust. |
Good for you. I know people who were in concentration camps. How many slaves do you know? |
You act as if slavery ended and then it was all normal. Jim Crow, Civil Rights, lynching, etc. The last known lynching in America happened in 1981. 19-80-Flarping ONE. So you may want to back off the "ACTUAL" victim crap. I highly suggest reading Caste: The Origins of our Discontents. Nazis studiesd the South. They actually discussed how the one drop rule was too much even for them when deciding who qualified as Jewish or not. The problem is that we fought the Nazis - they were an enemy. Internal to the US, fighting racism against African Americans means fighting our own citizens and even more likely, some of our own family. Germans were expected to shun any Nazi members of their family. Here in the US the racist parents, aunts, uncles, etc. are all given a pass because it was "different" back then. Furthermore almost every site in Germany that has historical Nazi significance has been kept as a memorial to the victims of the Holocaust. Here in America, rich people party and get married on plantations. |
How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves? |
You're not inclined to count the raped black people? The tortured ones? The ones beaten and brutalized? The ones who had their children stolen from them? The years cut short by being forced to live in appalling conditions? How do the years, decades, and centuries of continued abuse fit into such a metric? I guess ignoring everything but direct murders lets people pretend that their Southern "heritage" is somehow more forgivable than Nazi atrocities. |
| The south has suffered grievously from the institution of slavery. It was a terrible error. |
I am not “acting” like anything - merely stating facts. You are conflating many different (but obviously related) things and pretending they’re all “slavery” - nobody would ever say the existence of neo-nazis or the recent mass shooting at a Synagogue aren’t examples of anti-Semitism (they obviously are). But they are NOT the Holocaust. That was a different thing - just like lynchings, Jim Crow laws, etc. are examples of racism, but they are NOT slavery. |
NP. i say this with love. Step away from your computer. Nobody wins if you go down this path. |
Not productive. I know the PP was upset and throwing stuff around. But let it go. |
You would also need to include the black people who died on the voyage here from Africa. Historians estimate that number at 1.8 million. https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/slave-ships-and-the-middle-passage/ |
No, I am not inclined to count them because Germans did those things as well. The crimes are incomparable. That’s another reason why the countries touched by Nazies don’t really care about slavery all that much. And if the Germans ever managed to get to the US soil and gassed millions in chambers, you wouldn’t freak out about slavery that much either. |
And it also profited greatly. All by choice. |
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Please, please stop.
There are no standard measurements for things like evil inflicted or pain suffered. There is nothing to be gained from weighing one atrocity versus another. The compassion we feel for the victims of one atrocity doesn’t limit the compassion we feel for the victims of the other. One person’s pain doesn’t negate another’s. There’s no good reason for this divisiveness. |
Unfortunately, divisiveness is inevitable when anyone tries to argue that it is objectively wrong to wear a certain type of dress. There is no objective standard for such things and there never will be. |
Wow. |