UVA Early Action

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Anonymous wrote:1. Stop quoting allllll the prior comments.
2. Stop misusing Karen.
3. We can have a conversation without attacking each other.

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Report to Jeff. Lately the posts have gotten out of hand for Colleges and Universities. When posters start calling each other names, I report them and they are almost always removed by Jeff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:well I just heard of one more kid, so right now in our LCPS school of 400, 6 total have been accepted that I know of. Two via ED and four via EA. Still trying to find out more but we kinda know all the top kids in the class and haven't dug anyone else up YET. But again, normally they do accept about 15. Hopefully that will be the case this year but it is sure not looking that way. I know of now 2 top 5% deferrals.

It is not impossible to get in, but it is really a long shot for just about everyone unless you have the top GPA, I will say again. Just heard of another kid well within the top 10% of the class who was deferred with a 1440 and great ECs including state level athletics. You all have can protest all you want but this is what we are all hearing right now. My DC has been talking to other accepted students in our county and the scuttlebutt is that everyone is talking about how many people are getting deferred from their schools.

My purpose is not to discourage people from applying but just to reiterate that it is not a sure thing no matter your stats, so have back up options. It will be interesting what happens with VA Tech EA when that comes out in the next week because I heard alot of similar stuff from the ED round there, alot of deferrals from people who thought they were in a "sea of green" on Naviance.

Are you a high school student or a parent? In either case I feel really sorry for you.

I should add that the reason we are trying to dig up who was accepted is so that we can see who our peers will be from the school... roommate, who can we car pool with purposes etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I should add that the reason we are trying to dig up who was accepted is so that we can see who our peers will be from the school... roommate, who can we car pool with purposes etc.

They aren't done admitting people yet.

People have until May 1 to decide where they are going to go.

Some people don't want to broadcast their admissions decisions to the world.

Slow down.

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I should add that the reason we are trying to dig up who was accepted is so that we can see who our peers will be from the school... roommate, who can we car pool with purposes etc.

Join the accepted student FB group

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

You are making huge assumptions. I would never want my kid to attend TJ nor would any of my friends. It is a total miserable grind. Lots and lots of Asian immigrant families see TJ as a path into UMC life for their kids. It is something like 70% Asian and very few AA or Hispanic kids. Weird social dynamic.

Get over it, Karen! People have the right to talk about or not to talk about TJ for this exact topic. You have no say in whether other people are miserable or not.

Np. Yeah, you don’t sound miserable *at all*

[Anonymous]

You people are really twisted...Some of you really need to get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

You are making huge assumptions. I would never want my kid to attend TJ nor would any of my friends. It is a total miserable grind. Lots and lots of Asian immigrant families see TJ as a path into UMC life for their kids. It is something like 70% Asian and very few AA or Hispanic kids. Weird social dynamic.

The PP you are referring to said "most". Just because you don't want to go to TJ and your like-minded friends don't want either, does not automatically imply you have the pulse on "most" of the families in fairfax county. Tone down your defensiveness..

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Anonymous wrote:All I want to know is the percentage of acceptances who chose not to submit test scores.

UVA knows that every senior in FCPS was provided a chance to sit for the SAT in school in September. Most regional AOs for other schools likely know this as well.

Now that's interesting! So those who thought they could skip and work the system to their favor are stuck

No, there were a lot of test optional admits. Allows schools to claim their SAT scores are significantly higher than they actually are/would be.

DP. I just don’t believe there are a lot of admits from the test-optional students and won’t believe it until we see UVA report those numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Yes, this is a good thing, there is not a dearth of great public schools in Virginia. Quite the opposite, other than California we have an amazing group of colleges here in Virginia. Getting into our state flagship should be for our best in the state and followed by great out of state students. Welcome to the real world, NOVA is not the center of the universe, there are many deserving kids in other parts of Virginia that are honestly more than worthy of admittance than NOVA kids, Virginia is more than the DCUM world.

DP. I see your point; however, as a STATE school, UVA needs to admit more in-state than OOS. I realize they already do, but perhaps they need to lower the OOS admits more. Taxpayers should be benefiting over OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.

How on earth do they even have enough readers to give each application the attention it deserves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:well I just heard of one more kid, so right now in our LCPS school of 400, 6 total have been accepted that I know of. Two via ED and four via EA. Still trying to find out more but we kinda know all the top kids in the class and haven't dug anyone else up YET. But again, normally they do accept about 15. Hopefully that will be the case this year but it is sure not looking that way. I know of now 2 top 5% deferrals.

It is not impossible to get in, but it is really a long shot for just about everyone unless you have the top GPA, I will say again. Just heard of another kid well within the top 10% of the class who was deferred with a 1440 and great ECs including state level athletics. You all have can protest all you want but this is what we are all hearing right now. My DC has been talking to other accepted students in our county and the scuttlebutt is that everyone is talking about how many people are getting deferred from their schools.

My purpose is not to discourage people from applying but just to reiterate that it is not a sure thing no matter your stats, so have back up options. It will be interesting what happens with VA Tech EA when that comes out in the next week because I heard alot of similar stuff from the ED round there, alot of deferrals from people who thought they were in a "sea of green" on Naviance.

Are you a high school student or a parent? In either case I feel really sorry for you.

+100
The ultimate busybody parent. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.

How on earth do they even have enough readers to give each application the attention it deserves?

This would mean about a 4% admit rate for RD. Is this true??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.

How on earth do they even have enough readers to give each application the attention it deserves?

Narrator: they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are really twisted...Some of you really need to get a life.

This!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.

How on earth do they even have enough readers to give each application the attention it deserves?

This would mean about a 4% admit rate for RD. Is this true??

That’s my read of the situation.