MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

I’ll reiterate what many posters have already addressed. There’s a lot more to this story than what has been discussed by the lawyer. Once again, people want to jump to conclusions before knowing the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to talk about whupping. I guarantee the officers, if they were black, were not telling the boy he should be “beaten.” They were saying whupped. People need to know that there is a huge difference between the percentage of white kids who are disciplined physically at home and the percentage of black kids. Like nearly all black kids are. And it’s talked about very openly and positively. So it’s a little silly seeing all these freaked out white women on here talking about a situation where two black cops told a kid his mama should whup him.

Kids of all races are. Its just more outspoken in the black community and more hidden in the white as it happens but not talked about. I know families who "spank" according to the kids but you talk to the parents and they'd say never. For all we know, cops asked the child what his mom/parents may think of it and he said he would get beaten and cops went alone with it. We don't know the situation as we weren't there.

If you told my child at 5 he'd be beaten he wouldn't even know what that was as it wasn't a word we used, o revenants whupped or spanked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We need to talk about whupping. I guarantee the officers, if they were black, were not telling the boy he should be “beaten.” They were saying whupped. People need to know that there is a huge difference between the percentage of white kids who are disciplined physically at home and the percentage of black kids. Like nearly all black kids are. And it’s talked about very openly and positively. So it’s a little silly seeing all these freaked out white women on here talking about a situation where two black cops told a kid his mama should whup him.

Nope. It’s really to see these inane cops posting that telling a 5 yo 30 times he needs to be beaten.

He is 50lbs wet. Clean house, fire the cops, remove cops from schools and up the education need to be a cop.

To what? They already require an A.A. degree. Will we taxpayers pay more to pay bigger salaries for folks with bachelors' degrees?

Yep. You get what you pay for. Cops already make a great salary .. more than teachers.

They make an ok salary and most of it is overtime. Given they put their lives on the line they aren't paid enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine a 5 y.o white boy with two Black cops screaming at him and deciding how his white parents should discipline him. "Showing him how handcuffs work..." Seriously, this is not the U.S. we live in and Black Americans (even the bad apple cops) know enough not to harass white people. They have been taught from family and life experience that their experience is not perceived the same as a white person's. It is so plain these police are products of ingrained prejudice and "adultification." I am also curious the size of the child, not that it would excuse anything, just curious as I have a large 5 y.o.

Blowing my mind people on DCUM still don't get it. Probably the same people justifying the restraint and lack of planning the Capitol police and DoD showed earlier this month when dealing with white "protesters." *Snort*

The assumption was the cops were white doing it to this child. It was really racist to assume any race of these folks. I suspect the child was asked what mom would do to him, he said and the police went along with it. To scream they are racist or bad people when we don't know the story is concerning. If you look up mom on case search a few people come up so its hard to know which one is her but there is DV and other issues in the home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine a 5 y.o white boy with two Black cops screaming at him and deciding how his white parents should discipline him. "Showing him how handcuffs work..." Seriously, this is not the U.S. we live in and Black Americans (even the bad apple cops) know enough not to harass white people. They have been taught from family and life experience that their experience is not perceived the same as a white person's. It is so plain these police are products of ingrained prejudice and "adultification." I am also curious the size of the child, not that it would excuse anything, just curious as I have a large 5 y.o.

Blowing my mind people on DCUM still don't get it. Probably the same people justifying the restraint and lack of planning the Capitol police and DoD showed earlier this month when dealing with white "protesters." *Snort*

The assumption was the cops were white doing it to this child. It was really racist to assume any race of these folks. I suspect the child was asked what mom would do to him, he said and the police went along with it. To scream they are racist or bad people when we don't know the story is concerning. If you look up mom on case search a few people come up so its hard to know which one is her but there is DV and other issues in the home.

That may not be the same person and the DV case with someone with similar name is from many years ago. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

If, what the family claims is true, that is horrible and they are likely entitled to some damages. I would disagree that they are owed $1 million, even though I am sure it was difficult for the little boy, since Brianna Taylor's family only got a $12 million settlement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine a 5 y.o white boy with two Black cops screaming at him and deciding how his white parents should discipline him. "Showing him how handcuffs work..." Seriously, this is not the U.S. we live in and Black Americans (even the bad apple cops) know enough not to harass white people. They have been taught from family and life experience that their experience is not perceived the same as a white person's. It is so plain these police are products of ingrained prejudice and "adultification." I am also curious the size of the child, not that it would excuse anything, just curious as I have a large 5 y.o.

Blowing my mind people on DCUM still don't get it. Probably the same people justifying the restraint and lack of planning the Capitol police and DoD showed earlier this month when dealing with white "protesters." *Snort*

The assumption was the cops were white doing it to this child. It was really racist to assume any race of these folks. I suspect the child was asked what mom would do to him, he said and the police went along with it. To scream they are racist or bad people when we don't know the story is concerning. If you look up mom on case search a few people come up so its hard to know which one is her but there is DV and other issues in the home.

1) It is not racist to mention race or racism.

2) Most, if not all, people assumed one or more of the cops were Black. If any poster said that the cops were white, please share, it's been a long thread-- but I don't remember one. It demonstrates your own shallow understanding of institutional racism that you would think people who think that racism is involved assumed the officers were white. You're telling on yourself here.

3) ESS parents said they knew the family was Black. It's not just assumptions.

4) If the officers did what was alleged, they are, in fact, "bad people" or at the least did an extremely bad, disqualifying thing, yes.

5) *grabs bullhorn* IF THERE WAS DV OR OTHER ISSUES IN THE HOME THEN WHO THE F CARES AND HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE ALLEGED ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS

6) You are a garbage person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If, what the family claims is true, that is horrible and they are likely entitled to some damages. I would disagree that they are owed $1 million, even though I am sure it was difficult for the little boy, since Brianna Taylor's family only got a $12 million settlement.

Brianna Taylor's family was robbed. So what now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine a 5 y.o white boy with two Black cops screaming at him and deciding how his white parents should discipline him. "Showing him how handcuffs work..." Seriously, this is not the U.S. we live in and Black Americans (even the bad apple cops) know enough not to harass white people. They have been taught from family and life experience that their experience is not perceived the same as a white person's. It is so plain these police are products of ingrained prejudice and "adultification." I am also curious the size of the child, not that it would excuse anything, just curious as I have a large 5 y.o.

Blowing my mind people on DCUM still don't get it. Probably the same people justifying the restraint and lack of planning the Capitol police and DoD showed earlier this month when dealing with white "protesters." *Snort*

The assumption was the cops were white doing it to this child. It was really racist to assume any race of these folks. I suspect the child was asked what mom would do to him, he said and the police went along with it. To scream they are racist or bad people when we don't know the story is concerning. If you look up mom on case search a few people come up so its hard to know which one is her but there is DV and other issues in the home.

Also the height of hilarity that this poster said

"it was really racist to assume any race of these folks"

at the same time as

"if you look up the mom... there is DV and other issues in the home..."

So either it's wrong to assume you know the race of people based on Internet searches or it's not.

(And yes, this poster said it might not be the same person-- but then why share the DV issues if it's "wrong to assume" identity?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to talk about whupping. I guarantee the officers, if they were black, were not telling the boy he should be “beaten.” They were saying whupped. People need to know that there is a huge difference between the percentage of white kids who are disciplined physically at home and the percentage of black kids. Like nearly all black kids are. And it’s talked about very openly and positively. So it’s a little silly seeing all these freaked out white women on here talking about a situation where two black cops told a kid his mama should whup him.

Kids of all races are. Its just more outspoken in the black community and more hidden in the white as it happens but not talked about. I know families who "spank" according to the kids but you talk to the parents and they'd say never. For all we know, cops asked the child what his mom/parents may think of it and he said he would get beaten and cops went alone with it. We don't know the situation as we weren't there.

If you told my child at 5 he'd be beaten he wouldn't even know what that was as it wasn't a word we used, o revenants whupped or spanked.

Yeah, for sure, he said that his mom would beat him, and then naturally, like normal, functional professionals, they then threatened a very young child with that punishment (illegal when committed by a non-parent) 20 times in less than an hour. Awesome, normal stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this happened in a Potomac/Bethesda/Chevy chase the cops would be gone already.

And no one would be talking about the mom raising a future gangbanger.

And all hell would be breaking loose trying to figure out how inept teachers allowed a young child to wander off school grounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine a 5 y.o white boy with two Black cops screaming at him and deciding how his white parents should discipline him. "Showing him how handcuffs work..." Seriously, this is not the U.S. we live in and Black Americans (even the bad apple cops) know enough not to harass white people. They have been taught from family and life experience that their experience is not perceived the same as a white person's. It is so plain these police are products of ingrained prejudice and "adultification." I am also curious the size of the child, not that it would excuse anything, just curious as I have a large 5 y.o.

Blowing my mind people on DCUM still don't get it. Probably the same people justifying the restraint and lack of planning the Capitol police and DoD showed earlier this month when dealing with white "protesters." *Snort*

The assumption was the cops were white doing it to this child. It was really racist to assume any race of these folks. I suspect the child was asked what mom would do to him, he said and the police went along with it. To scream they are racist or bad people when we don't know the story is concerning. If you look up mom on case search a few people come up so its hard to know which one is her but there is DV and other issues in the home.

1) It is not racist to mention race or racism.

2) Most, if not all, people assumed one or more of the cops were Black. If any poster said that the cops were white, please share, it's been a long thread-- but I don't remember one. It demonstrates your own shallow understanding of institutional racism that you would think people who think that racism is involved assumed the officers were white. You're telling on yourself here.

3) ESS parents said they knew the family was Black. It's not just assumptions.

4) If the officers did what was alleged, they are, in fact, "bad people" or at the least did an extremely bad, disqualifying thing, yes.

5) *grabs bullhorn* IF THERE WAS DV OR OTHER ISSUES IN THE HOME THEN WHO THE F CARES AND HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE ALLEGED ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS

6) You are a garbage person.

Why do you need to resort to name calling. We get it. White is bad? The dv in the home and a child witnessing that can impact the child’s behavior. Kids don’t just elope from school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Maybe evaluate the boundaries you have for acceptable behavior toward a young child - a FIVE year old.

It’s one thing to pick up the child, let him know in no uncertain terms the behavior was totally unacceptable, and to coordinate with the parent to determine an appropriate path forward. This could include suspension, etc.

It’s another thing to berate, terrorize, and threaten a child with physical harm for over 50 minutes. That’s despicable and completely out of bounds of professional behavior, let alone how any LEO and school should treat a child. Can you as an adult imagine a scenario where you were detained by police who threatened physical harm to you for almost an hour? How would you feel?

Also, how the hell did a child leave the school to begin with? Again, we’re talking a five year old. Where were the responsible adults who are supposed to ensure that young children don’t just walk off school property. If this were a 15 year old, different situation. This is a FIVE year old.

Nothing from the any articles I’ve read suggested the student was unsupervised. We’ve heard one side- the lawyers.

The child left school grounds. Someone was asleep at the wheel.

Someone may have been asleep at the wheel, but just so we're having a fact-based discussion, MCPS policy is that school staff cannot physically stop a child who is eloping, nor can they follow beyond the school boundary. So, if a child is determined to walk away, school officials can *try* to reason with them (but not touch them) and *try* to redirect their attention, but their choices are extremely constrained.

This is for good reason (staff can't touch kids), but the result is that calling police to retrieve an eloping child is not uncommon at any school in MCPS.

The answer would be more teachers and teacher's aides, and more social workers and counselors to work through the eloping impulses before the child walks out.

Please show the exact policy that shows a teacher cannot stop a five year old from leaving a building without a guardian or parent or other authorized adult to escort them. I’ll wait ..... because you know you are full of crap. You and your “fact based” discussion = a pile of cow poop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this happened in a Potomac/Bethesda/Chevy chase the cops would be gone already.

And no one would be talking about the mom raising a future gangbanger.

And all hell would be breaking loose trying to figure out how inept teachers allowed a young child to wander off school grounds.

Most Es have 2 staff at recess for a few hundred kids. Or, bad staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How on the hell could a SCHOOL have a “policy” that staff are not allowed to stop a FIVE YEAR OLD who is attempting to leave its campus? If I had that policy in my house it would be called child abuse, and rightly so. This idea is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard here. Someone post a link to this alleged policy.

There are good reasons for this policy. I have seen this turn out badly at my workplace. A 5 year old at our school was upset and not leaving the playground during recess. The counselor forcibly moved this child inside, and injured him in the process. The counselor was disciplined. She found another job and they encouraged her to take it. I don't know if she was trained or not but she made a very bad call. The school was lucky the parents didn't sue. The district attorneys were very nervous.

Cool story.