MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

[Anonymous]

I bet he won't leave school again.

[Anonymous]

The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

He eloped. He went away from his child care providers. You aren't hearing the other side of the story and hearing from parents who instantly think lets sue. If anything the issue is with the child care providers who didn't properly supervise him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

The child care providers failed to supervise the child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

That might be true for older kids, but this kid is 5. He should be supervised at all times.

And even if he displayed poor judgment by leaving -- he is, after all, 5, and 5 year olds have poor judgment and limited impulse control -- that's still no excuse for the officers to yell and threaten him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

A 5 year old taking off—especially if his house is near school—is not so far outside the norm that it suggests “special
needs.” This does raise the question of how he was supervised when he took off, though.

At any rate, needing a special needs child care setting does not mean the cops get to talk about beating you incessantly.

Most regular kids don't leave their child car setting. Even my SN child never did. We don't know what happened and only are hearing one side of it. The camera's in the car, school and body will say what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

This kid walked out of an ES, there aren’t SROs in ES. These officers were probably just regular patrol officers, the situation would probably have been handled more appropriately if an SRO had responded.

[Anonymous]

Every adult during those 50 minutes failed that kid-and I wonder what happened at the school before. Glad parents are pursuing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find this really confusing. It's hard to know what happened. I am always suspicious when there is just one side, especially when that side is the lawyers representing one person.

One one hand, the kid ran away from school. One of the things that the article objects to seems to be that the police picked up the kid, put him in the car and drove him back to school. To me, that's what I'd expect. The police's first job in that circumstance is definitely to get the kid back to the adults who are caring for him. Yes, being "placed in a squad car" (one of the things they object to) is scary, but I'm not sure how else they should get the child back to school

It sounds like some of the things they said while they were doing it were out of line, but honestly without the other side it's just hard to say.

+1000
Especially since it nearly always turns out that there's A LOT more to the story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

He eloped. Wandering away from a setting where you are supervised is the definition of elopement.

He wasn't one minute from school. He was 1/5 of a mile from school. Unless he was running at a 5 minute mile place, in which case the police absolutely had to grab him because that's not safe in an area with roads like the area within a 1/5 of a mile radius of ESS.

Plus it didn't take 1 minute for an adult to see him leave, contact the police, provide a description, get that description to officers on the street and for one of them to find him. That's not a one minute thing.

The things the police are reported to have said are absolutely out of line. Given that those reports are made in the context of a complaint by an attorney who also complains that they told the kid to do something now, or that they used a squad car to transport him, or that they told him to sit down when they got to the school office, it's hard to know whether their description is accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every adult during those 50 minutes failed that kid-and I wonder what happened at the school before. Glad parents are pursuing this.

+1. This situation should never have gotten to the point where police had to be involved. How does a 5 year old just walk out of a school?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

A 5 year old taking off—especially if his house is near school—is not so far outside the norm that it suggests “special
needs.” This does raise the question of how he was supervised when he took off, though.

At any rate, needing a special needs child care setting does not mean the cops get to talk about beating you incessantly.

Most regular kids don't leave their child car setting. Even my SN child never did. We don't know what happened and only are hearing one side of it. The camera's in the car, school and body will say what happened.

This IS what the cameras say happened.

Most kids don’t leave their child care setting, but when one does we do not start by assuming the 5 year old is the problem.

ESS parents should be asking a lot of questions about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

A 5 year old taking off—especially if his house is near school—is not so far outside the norm that it suggests “special
needs.” This does raise the question of how he was supervised when he took off, though.

At any rate, needing a special needs child care setting does not mean the cops get to talk about beating you incessantly.

Most regular kids don't leave their child car setting. Even my SN child never did. We don't know what happened and only are hearing one side of it. The camera's in the car, school and body will say what happened.

This IS what the cameras say happened.

Most kids don’t leave their child care setting, but when one does we do not start by assuming the 5 year old is the problem.

ESS parents should be asking a lot of questions about this.

Again, we don't know. The parents are saying it happened in the cameras, but I'd like to see the actual cameras. There is more to this. The child wasn't properly supervised and probably had needs greater than what staff could handle. Kids who are happy don't leave school grounds. Kids who are unhappy, threatened or something else going on leave school grounds.

Either way, it is a huge red flag for this center and this needs a full investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every adult during those 50 minutes failed that kid-and I wonder what happened at the school before. Glad parents are pursuing this.

+1. This situation should never have gotten to the point where police had to be involved. How does a 5 year old just walk out of a school?!

Lack of supervision. Who ever was supposed to be watching him, didn't. Or, child had other needs/something else going on and staff were told not to chase him.