Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)

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Anonymous wrote:An outdoor pool with limited number of users (50), who bring their own chairs, is much less of a virus vector than these other phase 2 activities: indoor gyms, salons, spas, indoor restaurants, churches, etc.

It is very frustrating that it is just easier for politicians to cancel things for kids that don't have lobbyists or bring money to the state.

Any activities that have very young kids are going to be hard to keep the kids 6' apart from others.

OK, let's just say oh it's too hard and throw our hands up. Who cares about young kids right? They don't deserve any sort of outside recreation or break from the monotony of months at home. No pools, no playgrounds, no zoo, no library, no sports, no school. All because they have no voice.

Who said your kid can’t have tons of recreation outside? Rent a boat. Go fishing. Go hiking. Play basketball or tennis. Go on a nature walk. Throw rocks into a creek. That’s different from having 30 young kids and you’re spending the entire practice saying, “too close, ella!” “Back up, Johnny!” This isn’t about trashing young kids and their interests. It’s about being able to follow guidelines. For our swim team, for example, we have 55 min practices, two coaches. No way they can spend their time ensuring the little ones are 6’ apart for the limited 55 min while also getting a decent practice in.

Gee thanks for the suggestions. We have only done all of those things (other than renting a boat... seriously?) a bunch of times already in the 80+ days at home.

Who said anything about swim team practice? I had hoped for my oldest to do swim team for the first time this year but no way that's happening even in a modified way because the youngest kids still need hands-on instruction from coaches. This is about the fact that people think that because might be hard for some little kids to social distance from other families in a 25 meter pool when using the pool recreationally, then let's just give up. Young kids aren't even allowed at pools without a parent or adult caregiver. If we are trusting adults to social distance while at a restaurant, mall, gym or hair salon (which oh by the way they almost certainly aren't, at least not perfectly), why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?

Because the kids in my neighborhood are climbing ball over each other while the parents BS in the street. THAT'S WHY!

Sounds like you live in a neighborhood full of d-bags. That’s not happening in mine. There has been strong social pressure to adhere to the guidelines and the vast majority are. The teenagers are a much bigger issue here.

Not d-bags, just millennials raising their kids. They are allowing kids from multiple different families to bounce on a trampoline at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

....and someone on here thought parents would be able to control their kids at the pool and keep a distance from other kids. ("Why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?")

You have to govern to the lowest level of stupid. Hence the slow phased approach.

If they aren’t going to be supervised, I would rather they be unsupervised swimming in a chlorinated pool with lifeguards. Kids are going to drown, get bacterial infections, etc. swimming in dirty water.

You are missing the point. In both scenarios the parents are acting irresponsible.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids are young enough to not be potty trained, I hope they aren't allowed in the pool this summer. Sorry, but since we know the virus can be passed through fecal matter, it's too risky.

EVERYONE can justify why this or that is vital or most important for his/her kids. Go look at some of the school forums. There are pages of arguments as to whether elementary, middle or high schools need to be in person because each one is "the most" important. It isn't easy for anyone right now. If you can't get to a pool, it isn't ideal but it isn't the end of the world either.

--I'll also add that my husband has rented a small boat lots of times to take the kids fishing.

? There are a whole bunch of us whose kids are potty trained but still young. And yeah let me go ahead and go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat while taking care of my kids during the day and doing my full time job at night. I have so much free time for that.

Ever heard of a paddle boat or a canoe? No license necessary.

But yeah, the summer pool daycare/baby sitting option is a much better alternative that many parents are missing this summer.

You sound so bitter. Why? No one can drop their kids off at our pool until age 10. What are you talking about?

Not bitter at all. My point was to counter - if you were the PP - that you don't need to "go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat" if it isn't motorized like a paddle boat or a canoe. You can rent a boat and go fishing in about the same time you would likely spend at a pool.

WRT the other statement. Lots of parents use pools for daycare or babysitting services. I'm sure they are annoyed they can't do that this summer and are griping under the pretense that lap swimming only is unfair and it should be open for more utilization. They now have to use their "free time" to actually be a parent.

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^^ this! We rent small boats and take the kids out fishing. No one expects you to be a captain. I assume you’re not a survivalist but can take your kids camping. Summer isn’t ruined just bc you can’t get your little kids to the pool.

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Are any local pools that haven’t yet open but have been telling members they do plan to open - have you been watching the updated guidelines and been unsure if you will actually open?

I am part of a local pool that already announced their closure and I am curious about those that ‘plan to open in Phase 2’ if they still plan to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:how will kids be 10 feet apart when swimming, they all end up at the end to wait their turn or they will drown.

2 kids per lane, one at each end so they finish sets on opposite sides of the pool. Kids on our team will most likely only get to practice 2X/wk but at least it is something and will be SAFE

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Anonymous wrote:If kids are young enough to not be potty trained, I hope they aren't allowed in the pool this summer. Sorry, but since we know the virus can be passed through fecal matter, it's too risky.

EVERYONE can justify why this or that is vital or most important for his/her kids. Go look at some of the school forums. There are pages of arguments as to whether elementary, middle or high schools need to be in person because each one is "the most" important. It isn't easy for anyone right now. If you can't get to a pool, it isn't ideal but it isn't the end of the world either.

--I'll also add that my husband has rented a small boat lots of times to take the kids fishing.

? There are a whole bunch of us whose kids are potty trained but still young. And yeah let me go ahead and go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat while taking care of my kids during the day and doing my full time job at night. I have so much free time for that.

Ever heard of a paddle boat or a canoe? No license necessary.

But yeah, the summer pool daycare/baby sitting option is a much better alternative that many parents are missing this summer.

You sound so bitter. Why? No one can drop their kids off at our pool until age 10. What are you talking about?

Not bitter at all. My point was to counter - if you were the PP - that you don't need to "go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat" if it isn't motorized like a paddle boat or a canoe. You can rent a boat and go fishing in about the same time you would likely spend at a pool.

WRT the other statement. Lots of parents use pools for daycare or babysitting services. I'm sure they are annoyed they can't do that this summer and are griping under the pretense that lap swimming only is unfair and it should be open for more utilization. They now have to use their "free time" to actually be a parent.

Sorry, I've never seen this at our neighborhood pool. A parent must be present until they are 11. Not sure why you have a hard time wrapping your head around the fact that people want their kids to be able to swim in pools, in VA, in the summer---and it has nothing to do with not wanting to be a parent. That is frankly a bizarre statement that doesn't even make sense. We get it-you don't want to do something, so no one else should be able to do that thing.

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Our pool is two blocks from our house. LOL at the idea that driving somewhere to rent a boat (??!!!) and sit in the heat on a boat is just as simple and fun as walking to our free private pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Our pool is two blocks from our house. LOL at the idea that driving somewhere to rent a boat (??!!!) and sit in the heat on a boat is just as simple and fun as walking to our free private pool.

LOL - except it was in response to someone saying essentially summer is ruined without access to a pool. If you have access to a pool, obviously you're not empathetic about the person who has lost.a.whole.summer.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

....and someone on here thought parents would be able to control their kids at the pool and keep a distance from other kids. ("Why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?")

You have to govern to the lowest level of stupid. Hence the slow phased approach.

If they aren’t going to be supervised, I would rather they be unsupervised swimming in a chlorinated pool with lifeguards. Kids are going to drown, get bacterial infections, etc. swimming in dirty water.

You are missing the point. In both scenarios the parents are acting irresponsible.

Um, have you seen some people's kids at restaurants, stores and malls? They don't supervise them at all. Do you think parents out to eat or shop with their kids are somehow more responsible than those who would go to a pool? Yet we are letting that happen. Irresponsible parents will be irresponsible at pools, stores, restaurants, whereever.

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Anonymous wrote:Are any local pools that haven’t yet open but have been telling members they do plan to open - have you been watching the updated guidelines and been unsure if you will actually open?

I am part of a local pool that already announced their closure and I am curious about those that ‘plan to open in Phase 2’ if they still plan to do so.

Yes -- many NoVa pools (including ours) are getting ready to reopen. There have been issues related to permitting, lifeguard training, etc. that need to be worked through.

It seems like many of the pools that are not opening are the ones that are dependent on foreign lifeguards. Hopefully this experience with COVID will lead pools to instead recruit and develop local high school & college students for these roles -- and we can shift away as a society from this absurd idea that college freshman need to get professional-track summer internships instead of the summer jobs of yesteryear.

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Anonymous wrote:Our pool is two blocks from our house. LOL at the idea that driving somewhere to rent a boat (??!!!) and sit in the heat on a boat is just as simple and fun as walking to our free private pool.

LOL - except it was in response to someone saying essentially summer is ruined without access to a pool. If you have access to a pool, obviously you're not empathetic about the person who has lost.a.whole.summer.

We don't have access to it, because it's not open yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Are any local pools that haven’t yet open but have been telling members they do plan to open - have you been watching the updated guidelines and been unsure if you will actually open?

I am part of a local pool that already announced their closure and I am curious about those that ‘plan to open in Phase 2’ if they still plan to do so.

Yes -- many NoVa pools (including ours) are getting ready to reopen. There have been issues related to permitting, lifeguard training, etc. that need to be worked through.

It seems like many of the pools that are not opening are the ones that are dependent on foreign lifeguards. Hopefully this experience with COVID will lead pools to instead recruit and develop local high school & college students for these roles -- and we can shift away as a society from this absurd idea that college freshman need to get professional-track summer internships instead of the summer jobs of yesteryear.

Yes. Ours was fully staffed in March. Almost all, of not all of the guards belong to our pool. It’s nice. They know everyone. They were also all trained so we were able to open last Friday for Phase 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

....and someone on here thought parents would be able to control their kids at the pool and keep a distance from other kids. ("Why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?")

You have to govern to the lowest level of stupid. Hence the slow phased approach.

If they aren’t going to be supervised, I would rather they be unsupervised swimming in a chlorinated pool with lifeguards. Kids are going to drown, get bacterial infections, etc. swimming in dirty water.

You are missing the point. In both scenarios the parents are acting irresponsible.

Um, have you seen some people's kids at restaurants, stores and malls? They don't supervise them at all. Do you think parents out to eat or shop with their kids are somehow more responsible than those who would go to a pool? Yet we are letting that happen. Irresponsible parents will be irresponsible at pools, stores, restaurants, whereever.

We would ask them to leave if they can’t follow the rules. I’d be surprised though if we would have to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

....and someone on here thought parents would be able to control their kids at the pool and keep a distance from other kids. ("Why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?")

You have to govern to the lowest level of stupid. Hence the slow phased approach.

If they aren’t going to be supervised, I would rather they be unsupervised swimming in a chlorinated pool with lifeguards. Kids are going to drown, get bacterial infections, etc. swimming in dirty water.

You are missing the point. In both scenarios the parents are acting irresponsible.

Um, have you seen some people's kids at restaurants, stores and malls? They don't supervise them at all. Do you think parents out to eat or shop with their kids are somehow more responsible than those who would go to a pool? Yet we are letting that happen. Irresponsible parents will be irresponsible at pools, stores, restaurants, whereever.

We would ask them to leave if they can’t follow the rules. I’d be surprised though if we would have to do that.

Right. That can be done at businesses as well as pools. That's why I don't understand the argument that kids shouldn't be allowed at pools this summer just because some parents are irresponsible.