Why is DJT so obsessed with pushing hydroxychloroquine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is really sad to me is that media hates DJT so much that they are gleeful to think that a promising treatment does not work---just becaues Trump wants it to work.

Who are the caring people? Those who want it to fail, or those who want it to succeed?

Why did Trump glom on to hydroxychloroquine? Is he a medical doctor? He should stay in his lane.

Because it was the only thing that had shown signs of any success when this started. Now, there are a couple of other things, but none as widely available.

oh ffs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is really sad to me is that media hates DJT so much that they are gleeful to think that a promising treatment does not work---just becaues Trump wants it to work.

Who are the caring people? Those who want it to fail, or those who want it to succeed?

Every part of this post is insane.

+1

Trump supporters are mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

California Botox doctor is charged with fraud after his spa sold a “magic bullet” coronavirus treatment—which included Xanax and antimalarial drugs touted by President Trump—to an undercover FBI agent last week.

Jennings Ryan Staley, 44, faces one count of mail fraud for allegedly peddling a “COVID-19 Treatment Pack” that included chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which Trump has advanced as a cure for the coronavirus. (The drugs are undergoing clinical trials for COVID-19, though one Brazilian study ground to a halt after patients developed heart problems.)
https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2020/04/16/beauty-spa-owner-charged-with-fraud-for-alleged-covid-19-cure-claims/

[Anonymous]

You have every option to refuse to take it.

By the way, then every single Joe Famous Actor and Big oPharma marketing team promoting any drug on any commercial or in any way should be pulled from TV, magazines, print, bill boards, etc. Their whole sales and marketing teams need to be fired on the spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have every option to refuse to take it.

By the way, then every single Joe Famous Actor and Big oPharma marketing team promoting any drug on any commercial or in any way should be pulled from TV, magazines, print, bill boards, etc. Their whole sales and marketing teams need to be fired on the spot.

I don't know why you say "Fired on the spot'. There are established FDA procedures for prosecuting those making false and dangerous claims for medical treatments (e.g. cancer cures).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

Wow, you're smarter than a panel of NIH convened experts? Amazing! We are blessed to have you here on DCUM.

NIH gave taxpayer money to China and *gasp* Russia. We also had CDC lie to the American people about masks. Convened experts sometimes do stupid things and lie. And are politically motivated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is really sad to me is that media hates DJT so much that they are gleeful to think that a promising treatment does not work---just becaues Trump wants it to work.

Who are the caring people? Those who want it to fail, or those who want it to succeed?

Why did Trump glom on to hydroxychloroquine? Is he a medical doctor? He should stay in his lane.

Because it was the only thing that had shown signs of any success when this started. Now, there are a couple of other things, but none as widely available.

One of the issues with the studies being done is that they are being done on patients who were very ill already. Lots of governors didn’t even allow a doc to prescribe it unless the patient was hospitalized and in a bad way. The doctors that had success with the protocol used it BEFORE patients were bad enough to be hospitalized, were still at home, and were just starting to go down a bad path. Which makes a lot of sense, given how the drug works, which is to stop replication of the pathogen in RBCs. Once replication is high (i.e. patient is already sick enough to require hospitalization), a drug that works in this manner would not have any effect anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And Trump’s proclamations are causing trouble for this guy:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/22/842013672/federal-doctor-says-he-was-removed-for-resisting-unproven-coronavirus-treatments

Dr. Li Wenliang was was threatened by the Chinese police for telling the truth about the corona virus.
Dr. Richard Bright was removed from his position by the Trump administration for telling the truth about hdroxycholoroquine

It sounds like Dr. Richard Bright has had issues long before his reassignment.
And, the fact that the first thing he did was hire Debra Katz and Lisa Banks as attorneys is a red flag for me.

There is this from Politico:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is really sad to me is that media hates DJT so much that they are gleeful to think that a promising treatment does not work---just becaues Trump wants it to work.

Who are the caring people? Those who want it to fail, or those who want it to succeed?

Why did Trump glom on to hydroxychloroquine? Is he a medical doctor? He should stay in his lane.

Because it was the only thing that had shown signs of any success when this started. Now, there are a couple of other things, but none as widely available.

One of the issues with the studies being done is that they are being done on patients who were very ill already. Lots of governors didn’t even allow a doc to prescribe it unless the patient was hospitalized and in a bad way. The doctors that had success with the protocol used it BEFORE patients were bad enough to be hospitalized, were still at home, and were just starting to go down a bad path. Which makes a lot of sense, given how the drug works, which is to stop replication of the pathogen in RBCs. Once replication is high (i.e. patient is already sick enough to require hospitalization), a drug that works in this manner would not have any effect anymore.

Total BS. Most patients with the disease do not need to go to the hospital whether or not they take hydroxychloroquine. And the side effects of hydroxychloroquine are an important consideration when using it on patients who aren't even hospitalized yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have every option to refuse to take it.

By the way, then every single Joe Famous Actor and Big oPharma marketing team promoting any drug on any commercial or in any way should be pulled from TV, magazines, print, bill boards, etc. Their whole sales and marketing teams need to be fired on the spot.

If said drug is approved after clinical testing, and said advertising is accurate and within the disclosure rules, then it is fine. NONE of that happened with the right wing touting that happened here. No disclosures, no testing - just stone cold hucksterism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And Trump’s proclamations are causing trouble for this guy:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/22/842013672/federal-doctor-says-he-was-removed-for-resisting-unproven-coronavirus-treatments

Dr. Li Wenliang was was threatened by the Chinese police for telling the truth about the corona virus.
Dr. Richard Bright was removed from his position by the Trump administration for telling the truth about hdroxycholoroquine

It sounds like Dr. Richard Bright has had issues long before his reassignment.
And, the fact that the first thing he did was hire Debra Katz and Lisa Banks as attorneys is a red flag for me.

There is this from Politico:

you are signaling a red flag because he is hiring the best whistleblower attorneys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have every option to refuse to take it.

By the way, then every single Joe Famous Actor and Big oPharma marketing team promoting any drug on any commercial or in any way should be pulled from TV, magazines, print, bill boards, etc. Their whole sales and marketing teams need to be fired on the spot.

If said drug is approved after clinical testing, and said advertising is accurate and within the disclosure rules, then it is fine. NONE of that happened with the right wing touting that happened here. No disclosures, no testing - just stone cold hucksterism.

What you say is all true, but don't expect the Trumpanzees on this thread to have enough intelligence to understand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And Trump’s proclamations are causing trouble for this guy:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/22/842013672/federal-doctor-says-he-was-removed-for-resisting-unproven-coronavirus-treatments

Dr. Li Wenliang was was threatened by the Chinese police for telling the truth about the corona virus.
Dr. Richard Bright was removed from his position by the Trump administration for telling the truth about hdroxycholoroquine

It sounds like Dr. Richard Bright has had issues long before his reassignment.
And, the fact that the first thing he did was hire Debra Katz and Lisa Banks as attorneys is a red flag for me.

There is this from Politico:

you are signaling a red flag because he is hiring the best whistleblower attorneys?

LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.

in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”