Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

[Anonymous]

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I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

Literally nobody said that motherhood is a universal experience for women. What's YOUR point? Is your point that we can't talk about motherhood and reproduction as a key generality about women's rights because some women aren't mothers?

No, literally somebody did. I'm not inclined to go back through this ridiculous thread to find it, but you can do so, if you want to.

You who are so worried about being "erased" if the Venus symbol comes off a package of menstrual pads - think about the effect on women who aren't mothers when you talk about motherhood as a key generality about women's rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

There's lots of subjective disagreement among women about what it means to be a woman, too. For the same reason.

[Anonymous]

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DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

Today: no Venus symbol on the package of menstrual pads
Tomorrow: no more women or female reproductive systems

Or something.

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

Why are you so passionate about THIS? Out of all of the injustices of the world for women and transwomen. This?

I'm not, I'm barely interested. I should have said "NP." I'm trying to understand, which is why I asked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

Today: no Venus symbol on the package of menstrual pads
Tomorrow: no more women or female reproductive systems

Or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

Today: no Venus symbol on the package of menstrual pads
Tomorrow: no more women or female reproductive systems

Or something.

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

OMG!!!! THEY ARE LITERALLY HAVING A DEBATE RIGHT NOW!!!!!

We better panic!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

Literally nobody said that motherhood is a universal experience for women. What's YOUR point? Is your point that we can't talk about motherhood and reproduction as a key generality about women's rights because some women aren't mothers?

No, literally somebody did. I'm not inclined to go back through this ridiculous thread to find it, but you can do so, if you want to.

You who are so worried about being "erased" if the Venus symbol comes off a package of menstrual pads - think about the effect on women who aren't mothers when you talk about motherhood as a key generality about women's rights.

So apparently your answer is yes, we should back off of "centering" reproductive rights, pregnancy discrimination, and caregiver discrimination as women's rights, because it hurts the feelings of women who are not mothers. Gotcha. Bye.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

Today: no Venus symbol on the package of menstrual pads
Tomorrow: no more women or female reproductive systems

Or something.

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

OMG!!!! THEY ARE LITERALLY HAVING A DEBATE RIGHT NOW!!!!!

We better panic!

Ok so then leave the d*mn venus symbol on the package and stfu about word choice. abortion rights are women's rights. we good?

[Anonymous]

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I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

Literally nobody said that motherhood is a universal experience for women. What's YOUR point? Is your point that we can't talk about motherhood and reproduction as a key generality about women's rights because some women aren't mothers?

No, literally somebody did. I'm not inclined to go back through this ridiculous thread to find it, but you can do so, if you want to.

You who are so worried about being "erased" if the Venus symbol comes off a package of menstrual pads - think about the effect on women who aren't mothers when you talk about motherhood as a key generality about women's rights.

So apparently your answer is yes, we should back off of "centering" reproductive rights, pregnancy discrimination, and caregiver discrimination as women's rights, because it hurts the feelings of women who are not mothers. Gotcha. Bye.

Apparently Always has to leave the Venus symbol on their packaging because it hurts your feelings to take it off...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

Literally nobody said that motherhood is a universal experience for women. What's YOUR point? Is your point that we can't talk about motherhood and reproduction as a key generality about women's rights because some women aren't mothers?

No, literally somebody did. I'm not inclined to go back through this ridiculous thread to find it, but you can do so, if you want to.

You who are so worried about being "erased" if the Venus symbol comes off a package of menstrual pads - think about the effect on women who aren't mothers when you talk about motherhood as a key generality about women's rights.

So apparently your answer is yes, we should back off of "centering" reproductive rights, pregnancy discrimination, and caregiver discrimination as women's rights, because it hurts the feelings of women who are not mothers. Gotcha. Bye.

Apparently Always has to leave the Venus symbol on their packaging because it hurts your feelings to take it off...

thanks for confirming you have no interest in actually discussing the issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

That's not the point. The point is crippling advocacy and discussion, as well as cancel culture, as well as alienating allies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

DP.

Nope. Of course not.

BUT, that nonsense puts us at risk of moderates and liberals reaching their tipping point and crossing over to vote Republican...especially when the RWNJ talking point machine goes into full gear.

And that’s the real issue...which Pelosi is warning the Dems about right now.