Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

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My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

If you require 100% of a group to experience something in order for it to be a general experience, there is no general experience for anyone - there is no general experience of blackness, womenness, being physically disadvantaged, being impoverished...

If you need to destroy language and our experiences in order to defend a point, maybe you need to rethink your point.

If you can't acknowledge that there are lots of women whose experience of being a woman doesn't include being a mother, maybe you need to rethink whom you claim to be speaking for.

15% is a minority of women. And of those 15%, I would bet a lot of them tried to have children, in which case case their engagement with the concept of motherhood (based on my friendships with women who have struggled with fertility) still exists. And when I was considering not having children, I still engaged with the idea of motherhood, and what that would mean, as a female bodied person. Not having children is not a simple decision, even now, for a woman, because of social expectations based on anatomy.

If you cannot acknowledge that our anatomy has something to do with a general experience of being a woman, then you're denying reality.

Not every black person has the same experiences, and yet only a fool would argue there's not a general experience of being black in our society. Same for being Jewish, or any other class. That shared experiences are not 100% shared does not prevent them from being powerful, sometimes even defining characteristics of that class.

There you are, digging your hole deeper.

I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

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OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

Not sure if Venus herself would agree with this inclusive approach. Certainly not the Botticelli Venus.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

Why are you so passionate about THIS? Out of all of the injustices of the world for women and transwomen. This?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

If you're trying to equate erasing the word and category of "women" with slavery, I think you need to do some thinking.

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I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

Why are you so passionate about THIS? Out of all of the injustices of the world for women and transwomen. This?

DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

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Cotex is sooo much better product!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

If you're trying to equate erasing the word and category of "women" with slavery, I think you need to do some thinking.

Where do you live, where there is no longer a word or category of "women"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cotex is sooo much better product!

A vote for Diva Cups, here.

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DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

Today: no Venus symbol on the package of menstrual pads
Tomorrow: no more women or female reproductive systems

Or something.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

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I don't know what point you are trying to make? Are you trying to argue that we should not say things like reproductive rights should not be called "women's rights"? Or that we should not devote attention to reproductive rights because that excludes people who can't or don't give birth?

Reproductive rights certainly should not be called women's rights - although women's rights do include reproductive rights. Men reproduce too.

I don't understand your reluctance to acknowledge the fact that motherhood is not a universal experience for women. Not all women are mothers, and motherhood is not the same for all women who are mothers.

Literally nobody said that motherhood is a universal experience for women. What's YOUR point? Is your point that we can't talk about motherhood and reproduction as a key generality about women's rights because some women aren't mothers?

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

OK, but they are menstruating, so they need tampons, which are designed specifically for the body type that the Venus symbol represents. I don't get what the issue is here. You either have a body that needs tampons, in which case the Venus symbol is appropriate, or you don't. What am I missing. Why is the symbol of Venus offensive to any person who menstruates?

Why are you so passionate about THIS? Out of all of the injustices of the world for women and transwomen. This?

DP. Don't be cute. It's because this is an example of a larger crusade that it trying to get rid of the category of women, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights as women's rights. Plus cancel culture.

OH NO!!! THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN!!!!!

So the bathroom fearmongering shtick didn’t work so now you’re pushing this?

Hopefully you’re getting paid to push RWNJ agenda.