Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

[Anonymous]

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They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

That's not the point. The point is crippling advocacy and discussion, as well as cancel culture, as well as alienating allies.

(Also, while I won't stop being a woman and a mother, I will stop being able to discuss my experience as a woman and a mother. I've already had that happen to me in woke internet spaces.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

NP - here’s the thing for me.

I’m a cis-gender woman/female. Up until this point, I probably couldn’t have told you that the Venus symbol was or wasn’t on a package of Always. I am the “normative” person they are marketing to, and to be honest - its lost on me, because I really just need their lads.

But, for a transgendered person, that little symbol is a reminder every time they buy pads that they do not belong / fit / etc. into the “normal requirements”. That’s not fair. It’s hard enough to feel like your biology and your brain don’t match, and now you need to be reminded every time you pick up pads to serve a hygiene need.

So, for the people all up in arms: did you buy always because they were identified by the Venus symbol, or because they had a good product? Will you now be lost in the hygiene aisle because they don’t have the symbol on any more? Why do you feel the need to retain a symbol you don’t need, that alienates or hurts other people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

NP - here’s the thing for me.

I’m a cis-gender woman/female. Up until this point, I probably couldn’t have told you that the Venus symbol was or wasn’t on a package of Always. I am the “normative” person they are marketing to, and to be honest - its lost on me, because I really just need their lads.

But, for a transgendered person, that little symbol is a reminder every time they buy pads that they do not belong / fit / etc. into the “normal requirements”. That’s not fair. It’s hard enough to feel like your biology and your brain don’t match, and now you need to be reminded every time you pick up pads to serve a hygiene need.

So, for the people all up in arms: did you buy always because they were identified by the Venus symbol, or because they had a good product? Will you now be lost in the hygiene aisle because they don’t have the symbol on any more? Why do you feel the need to retain a symbol you don’t need, that alienates or hurts other people?

I honestly don't think the Venus symbol was alienating or hurting anyone. I think this was a flex of political muscle. There's a limit to how much we can contort language and symbols to prevent anyone from getting hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

That's not the point. The point is crippling advocacy and discussion, as well as cancel culture, as well as alienating allies.

(Also, while I won't stop being a woman and a mother, I will stop being able to discuss my experience as a woman and a mother. I've already had that happen to me in woke internet spaces.)

You've stopped being able to discuss your experience as a woman and a mother...in certain websites on the internet.

Um.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They are literally having a debate right now in New Zealand about whether to change their abortion law to say "pregnant person" instead of "pregnant women." And many many women's reproductive rights groups have been pressured to remove the word "women" because it "centers cis women"!!!! DV women's shelters have had funding pulled for being limited to biological women. And so on.

PP, assuming that you are a woman - will you stop being a woman if New Zealand changes its abortion law from "pregnant woman" to "pregnant person"?

DP.

Nope. Of course not.

BUT, that nonsense puts us at risk of moderates and liberals reaching their tipping point and crossing over to vote Republican...especially when the RWNJ talking point machine goes into full gear.

And that’s the real issue...which Pelosi is warning the Dems about right now.

People who would otherwise vote against Trump are going to vote for Trump because New Zealand abortion law refers to "pregnant people" instead of "pregnant women"? And/or because Always took a circle with a cross under it off its packaging, which almost nobody noticed because almost nobody even knew it was there in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

NP - here’s the thing for me.

I’m a cis-gender woman/female. Up until this point, I probably couldn’t have told you that the Venus symbol was or wasn’t on a package of Always. I am the “normative” person they are marketing to, and to be honest - its lost on me, because I really just need their lads.

But, for a transgendered person, that little symbol is a reminder every time they buy pads that they do not belong / fit / etc. into the “normal requirements”. That’s not fair. It’s hard enough to feel like your biology and your brain don’t match, and now you need to be reminded every time you pick up pads to serve a hygiene need.

So, for the people all up in arms: did you buy always because they were identified by the Venus symbol, or because they had a good product? Will you now be lost in the hygiene aisle because they don’t have the symbol on any more? Why do you feel the need to retain a symbol you don’t need, that alienates or hurts other people?

I honestly don't think the Venus symbol was alienating or hurting anyone. I think this was a flex of political muscle. There's a limit to how much we can contort language and symbols to prevent anyone from getting hurt.

This. I could probably think of 5 things I encounter every day that could be deemed offensive to me and others. I just choose not to get worked up over it.

[Anonymous]

who cares? Assume Always is trying to make money, so their decision will be proven right or wrong by the customer. There is deep brand loyalty to period products, so I'm sure the marketing experts have taken that into account.

Young girls who are just entering the market are more comfortable with transgender people, so this likely affected Always decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:who cares? Assume Always is trying to make money, so their decision will be proven right or wrong by the customer. There is deep brand loyalty to period products, so I'm sure the marketing experts have taken that into account.

Young girls who are just entering the market are more comfortable with transgender people, so this likely affected Always decision.

Actually, mothers generally buy period products initially for their daughters, setting the template that advertisers so slaver over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Exactly; no one cares, so leave it as is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:who cares? Assume Always is trying to make money, so their decision will be proven right or wrong by the customer. There is deep brand loyalty to period products, so I'm sure the marketing experts have taken that into account.

Young girls who are just entering the market are more comfortable with transgender people, so this likely affected Always decision.

Actually, mothers generally buy period products initially for their daughters, setting the template that advertisers so slaver over.

And then the girls will choose the ones they like, most likely due to youthful marketing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Exactly; no one cares, so leave it as is.

Or not.

They can go ahead and add purple unicorns for all they want.

Let's just not force false "concern" over it and use this to support fearmongering, 'kay?

[Anonymous]

Or leave it.
And refrain from using this “pet peeve” as an excuse to throw around a misogynistic term like “HYSTERICAL” indiscriminately, okey dokey?