immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Oh you can stuff it. Please, detail here all the progressive, labor-rights policies you advocate for?

Regularlizing immigration is PRECISELY to protect workers right. Having an "illegal" class of workers is a recipe for exploitation.

Stuff it? I thought you're all about intelligent debate and research and whatnot?

You have this weird, utopic idea that illegal migrants who put up with low pay, terrible conditions, and utter absence of employee rights for no reason other than not being able to work better jobs, will continue working in the same terrible jobs once they are legally able to work anywhere else. Why? You think they are loyal to their slumlords?

The industries that rely on illegal migrant labor aren't doing it because they love migrants. They do it because they love paying artificially low wages and ignoring benefits and employee rights. That's what you are arguing should be preserved. And you are somehow persisting in your conviction that people who currently eat margarine because they can't have butter will weirdly continue doing that even when butter becomes available.

My cleaning lady is a legal immigrant (chain migration). Her brother works on a farm in the Midwest (also legal). Their kids are not going to take these types of jobs - they are working hard to get educations. They are the classic American immigrant story.

So yes, when people get regularized, they stay in jobs native born Americans don’t want but hopefully have some social protections. Their kids won’t stay in those jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

+1,000,000
OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

DP. It's the same with my neighborhood in lower Mont County. Practically half the school is ESOL, and investors are buying houses and building them out to rent basement apartments to a second family[b]. It's probably one of the only places within 10 miles of DC where you can buy a 5-bedroom house on a 1/2 acre for $450,000.

FTR, this is currently ILLEGAL in Montgomery County. You can't rent out a basement apartment, unless you actually live in the home. Unfortunately the county doesn't enforce any of its own rules, and chooses to look the other way in these situations, so landlords are able to rake in tons of cash (cash only payments, so no recorded income!) on these units.

Our neighborhood association tried to do something about these 'investors', but it's almost impossible to prove who lives in those homes when most of the residents are 'undocumented'. You end up with 7 cars parked in front of the house. Construction work that is not up to code. Seven kids attending school, whereas in reality, it should be less than that. Trash all over the yard.

We also have homes that investors have purchased to build up a second story to do this type of rental. Of course, no rental license.

We're not even that close to a Metro. Maybe it used to be that these residents needed public transport, but in our neighborhood, they seem to have multiple cars. So being close to public transport is not a necessity anymore.

I wonder if we live in the same neighborhood. It used to be you could drive up the block, and if a car was approaching you, you just pulled to the side. Now it's car-to-car parked along both sides of the street, so if you are driving up and someone is driving down, there's nowhere to pull to the side. You can't even back into someone's driveway to clear room, since they are are taken. I have had to back up a full block to let someone pass. It is very apparent that two, and perhaps three, families are living in many of these houses.

As far as the illegality of multiple families living in the SFHs, our association has had no luck enforcing the laws. MoCo knows where all the illegal immigrants are settling, and they go very easy on them - again an example of liberals putting the interests of illegals ahead of Americans.

On a lesser concern, the homes are being poorly maintained. Grass and weeds grow unattended, and all sorts of toys and kids scooters litter the front lawn. There are old, banged-up cars all over. Bit the main problem is the school, which is the lowest in the entire county and overwhelming populated by non-English speakers. Single families won't buy here for that reason, and investors are scooping up houses and bargain prices and converting them - illegally - I to multiple-dwelling units. There was an arrest in a nearby house, and they found 15 people living there.

[Anonymous]

“nothing compares to actually living in the neighborhoods affected by illegal immigration and sending your kids to the schools which are overwhelmed with non-English speaking kids. Neither of which you know *anything* about.”

Yep. Research studies would need to clearly spell out why illegal immigration looks very negative to those with direct experience with it yet is supposedly so positive - for real people I mean not for just investors and GDP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Oh you can stuff it. Please, detail here all the progressive, labor-rights policies you advocate for?

Regularlizing immigration is PRECISELY to protect workers right. Having an "illegal" class of workers is a recipe for exploitation.

Stuff it? I thought you're all about intelligent debate and research and whatnot?

You have this weird, utopic idea that illegal migrants who put up with low pay, terrible conditions, and utter absence of employee rights for no reason other than not being able to work better jobs, will continue working in the same terrible jobs once they are legally able to work anywhere else. Why? You think they are loyal to their slumlords?

The industries that rely on illegal migrant labor aren't doing it because they love migrants. They do it because they love paying artificially low wages and ignoring benefits and employee rights. That's what you are arguing should be preserved. And you are somehow persisting in your conviction that people who currently eat margarine because they can't have butter will weirdly continue doing that even when butter becomes available.

My cleaning lady is a legal immigrant (chain migration). Her brother works on a farm in the Midwest (also legal). Their kids are not going to take these types of jobs - they are working hard to get educations. They are the classic American immigrant story.

So yes, when people get regularized, they stay in jobs native born Americans don’t want but hopefully have some social protections. Their kids won’t stay in those jobs.

Do they charge the same as the illegals charge? Leaving aside the matter of "social protections" for your cleaning lady.

I don't know what their kids have to do with all this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

+1,000,000
OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

DP. It's the same with my neighborhood in lower Mont County. Practically half the school is ESOL, and investors are buying houses and building them out to rent basement apartments to a second family[b]. It's probably one of the only places within 10 miles of DC where you can buy a 5-bedroom house on a 1/2 acre for $450,000.

FTR, this is currently ILLEGAL in Montgomery County. You can't rent out a basement apartment, unless you actually live in the home. Unfortunately the county doesn't enforce any of its own rules, and chooses to look the other way in these situations, so landlords are able to rake in tons of cash (cash only payments, so no recorded income!) on these units.

Our neighborhood association tried to do something about these 'investors', but it's almost impossible to prove who lives in those homes when most of the residents are 'undocumented'. You end up with 7 cars parked in front of the house. Construction work that is not up to code. Seven kids attending school, whereas in reality, it should be less than that. Trash all over the yard.

We also have homes that investors have purchased to build up a second story to do this type of rental. Of course, no rental license.

We're not even that close to a Metro. Maybe it used to be that these residents needed public transport, but in our neighborhood, they seem to have multiple cars. So being close to public transport is not a necessity anymore.

I wonder if we live in the same neighborhood. It used to be you could drive up the block, and if a car was approaching you, you just pulled to the side. Now it's car-to-car parked along both sides of the street, so if you are driving up and someone is driving down, there's nowhere to pull to the side. You can't even back into someone's driveway to clear room, since they are are taken. I have had to back up a full block to let someone pass. It is very apparent that two, and perhaps three, families are living in many of these houses.

As far as the illegality of multiple families living in the SFHs, our association has had no luck enforcing the laws. MoCo knows where all the illegal immigrants are settling, and they go very easy on them - again an example of liberals putting the interests of illegals ahead of Americans.

On a lesser concern, the homes are being poorly maintained. Grass and weeds grow unattended, and all sorts of toys and kids scooters litter the front lawn. There are old, banged-up cars all over. Bit the main problem is the school, which is the lowest in the entire county and overwhelming populated by non-English speakers. Single families won't buy here for that reason, and investors are scooping up houses and bargain prices and converting them - illegally - I to multiple-dwelling units. There was an arrest in a nearby house, and they found 15 people living there.

This is absolutely what things are like now in my neighborhood. Used to be a solidly middle class, diverse neighborhood where families could come to find a SFH for under $500K. Now, it’s not so inviting.

Possible you are in my neighborhood, but unfortunately, this has been the trend in many different MoCo neighborhoods. Silver Spring, Rockville, Aspen Hill, Randolph Hills, Twinbrook. I guess the wealthier areas are more immune to this for now?

We have several homes on our block that have over a dozen people living in them. Which is possibly allowed if they own the home and are related, but these homes are owned by people who live elsewhere and are very obviously rentals. It’s crazy because it’s easy to figure out the homeowners based on property records, but the County truly has zero enforcement of its own laws.

In fact, I believe MoCO is trying to pass, or already passed, more lax ruling on accessory apartments so that even more illegal immigrants have homes to live in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

Let me break it down for you, since you're cognitively impaired.

Just like Japan, the US native-born population is aging, and birth rates are slowing. Just like Japan, to support the economy, that means we need a certain rate of low-skilled immigration. Currently,d due to our lack of a rational immigration policy, those low-skilled workers are being supplied through illegal immigration. Therefore, to keep our economy growing, we need to create a route to more LEGAL immigration. But the illegal immigrants (and their US-born children) are what's keeping us from a Japan-style demographic collapse. So the conflation is that we need to transform illegal --> legal. What ideas do you have to do that?

Given that our economy needs and benefits from these low-skilled workers, but our legal system does not currently provide a route for them to work legally, it's really the legal system that should be blamed as "sick."

NP - well, aren’t you smug as can be, with all the answers.

If we are to be a country of laws and, more importantly, respect for those laws, we should not turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. And, yes, this may involve reforms to those laws, but there are many Democrats who essentially support open borders and providing people living in the country illegally with all of, if not more, the benefits than are extended to citizens.

We are nowhere near the demographics of Japan, by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

Let me break it down for you, since you're cognitively impaired.

Just like Japan, the US native-born population is aging, and birth rates are slowing. Just like Japan, to support the economy, that means we need a certain rate of low-skilled immigration. Currently,d due to our lack of a rational immigration policy, those low-skilled workers are being supplied through illegal immigration. Therefore, to keep our economy growing, we need to create a route to more LEGAL immigration. But the illegal immigrants (and their US-born children) are what's keeping us from a Japan-style demographic collapse. So the conflation is that we need to transform illegal --> legal. What ideas do you have to do that?

Given that our economy needs and benefits from these low-skilled workers, but our legal system does not currently provide a route for them to work legally, it's really the legal system that should be blamed as "sick."

NP - well, aren’t you smug as can be, with all the answers.

If we are to be a country of laws and, more importantly, respect for those laws, we should not turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. And, yes, this may involve reforms to those laws, but there are many Democrats who essentially support open borders and providing people living in the country illegally with all of, if not more, the benefits than are extended to citizens.

We are nowhere near the demographics of Japan, by the way.

Again with the disdain for research and policy based "answers"! You guys are just too much.

As for the assertions that immigrants are impacting home values in MoCo, I don't see proof for that. Prices have been on the upswing for the past decade. Prices are up, but volume is down, which means that demand is high. A downturn in sales volume was also attributed to the Amazon HQ2 decision.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/


But when you look at the most heavily Hispanic areas in MD (e.g. Riverdale Park) you STILL find housing values appreciating nicely (up 30% over last year!)

https://www.redfin.com/city/17065/MD/Riverdale-Park/housing-market

In MoCo, Gaithersburg has seen a big growth in Lationos, but also an upward trend in house prices in the past decade: https://www.zillow.com/gaithersburg-md/home-values/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

Let me break it down for you, since you're cognitively impaired.

Just like Japan, the US native-born population is aging, and birth rates are slowing. Just like Japan, to support the economy, that means we need a certain rate of low-skilled immigration. Currently,d due to our lack of a rational immigration policy, those low-skilled workers are being supplied through illegal immigration. Therefore, to keep our economy growing, we need to create a route to more LEGAL immigration. But the illegal immigrants (and their US-born children) are what's keeping us from a Japan-style demographic collapse. So the conflation is that we need to transform illegal --> legal. What ideas do you have to do that?

Given that our economy needs and benefits from these low-skilled workers, but our legal system does not currently provide a route for them to work legally, it's really the legal system that should be blamed as "sick."

NP - well, aren’t you smug as can be, with all the answers.

If we are to be a country of laws and, more importantly, respect for those laws, we should not turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. And, yes, this may involve reforms to those laws, but there are many Democrats who essentially support open borders and providing people living in the country illegally with all of, if not more, the benefits than are extended to citizens.

We are nowhere near the demographics of Japan, by the way.

Again with the disdain for research and policy based "answers"! You guys are just too much.

As for the assertions that immigrants are impacting home values in MoCo, I don't see proof for that. Prices have been on the upswing for the past decade. Prices are up, but volume is down, which means that demand is high. A downturn in sales volume was also attributed to the Amazon HQ2 decision.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/


But when you look at the most heavily Hispanic areas in MD (e.g. Riverdale Park) you STILL find housing values appreciating nicely (up 30% over last year!)

https://www.redfin.com/city/17065/MD/Riverdale-Park/housing-market

In MoCo, Gaithersburg has seen a big growth in Lationos, but also an upward trend in house prices in the past decade: https://www.zillow.com/gaithersburg-md/home-values/

This means nothing to me. Other than MoCo is experiencing an influx of people, and that we have more people coming here than the County can actually support with housing and other infrastructure, like schools, roads, parks.

Also, maybe housing prices would have had even more of an upward trend in MoCo if it weren't for the influx of illegal immigrants.

And, really, I don't trust Zillow's estimations for anything. Ask any realtor and they'll tell you that Zillow is not accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

Let me break it down for you, since you're cognitively impaired.

Just like Japan, the US native-born population is aging, and birth rates are slowing. Just like Japan, to support the economy, that means we need a certain rate of low-skilled immigration. Currently,d due to our lack of a rational immigration policy, those low-skilled workers are being supplied through illegal immigration. Therefore, to keep our economy growing, we need to create a route to more LEGAL immigration. But the illegal immigrants (and their US-born children) are what's keeping us from a Japan-style demographic collapse. So the conflation is that we need to transform illegal --> legal. What ideas do you have to do that?

Given that our economy needs and benefits from these low-skilled workers, but our legal system does not currently provide a route for them to work legally, it's really the legal system that should be blamed as "sick."

NP - well, aren’t you smug as can be, with all the answers.

If we are to be a country of laws and, more importantly, respect for those laws, we should not turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. And, yes, this may involve reforms to those laws, but there are many Democrats who essentially support open borders and providing people living in the country illegally with all of, if not more, the benefits than are extended to citizens.

We are nowhere near the demographics of Japan, by the way.

Again with the disdain for research and policy based "answers"! You guys are just too much.

As for the assertions that immigrants are impacting home values in MoCo, I don't see proof for that. Prices have been on the upswing for the past decade. Prices are up, but volume is down, which means that demand is high. A downturn in sales volume was also attributed to the Amazon HQ2 decision.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/


But when you look at the most heavily Hispanic areas in MD (e.g. Riverdale Park) you STILL find housing values appreciating nicely (up 30% over last year!)

https://www.redfin.com/city/17065/MD/Riverdale-Park/housing-market

In MoCo, Gaithersburg has seen a big growth in Lationos, but also an upward trend in house prices in the past decade: https://www.zillow.com/gaithersburg-md/home-values/

Do you live in one of the neighborhoods? Will you buy a house and live in those neighborhood? If you have young children, girls and biys, will you live in there? It is easy to talk the talk but the negative impact of the illegal immegrants on people who live nearby or in those neighborhoods are realy and hurtful. Go drive in those neoghbirhoods during the day and the the even8ng, and come back to let us know you plan to move there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people. my bad.

You're saying he should pretend his kids' schools are just fine to get street cred with you?

Basically, that's the argument. OP feels that we should send our kids to schools that are 50% ESOL and 50% FARMS in order to prove that we're not 'racist'. Any family that wants to avoid neighborhoods with illegal immigrants is a racist, plain and simple.

All the while, OP fights for open borders and more illegal immigration from her high horse in lily white Potomac neighborhood, as she campaigns for the latest Democratic candidate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people. my bad.

You're saying he should pretend his kids' schools are just fine to get street cred with you?

Basically, that's the argument. OP feels that we should send our kids to schools that are 50% ESOL and 50% FARMS in order to prove that we're not 'racist'. Any family that wants to avoid neighborhoods with illegal immigrants is a racist, plain and simple.

All the while, OP fights for open borders and more illegal immigration from her high horse in lily white Potomac neighborhood, as she campaigns for the latest Democratic candidate.

Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

Let me break it down for you, since you're cognitively impaired.

Just like Japan, the US native-born population is aging, and birth rates are slowing. Just like Japan, to support the economy, that means we need a certain rate of low-skilled immigration. Currently,d due to our lack of a rational immigration policy, those low-skilled workers are being supplied through illegal immigration. Therefore, to keep our economy growing, we need to create a route to more LEGAL immigration. But the illegal immigrants (and their US-born children) are what's keeping us from a Japan-style demographic collapse. So the conflation is that we need to transform illegal --> legal. What ideas do you have to do that?

Given that our economy needs and benefits from these low-skilled workers, but our legal system does not currently provide a route for them to work legally, it's really the legal system that should be blamed as "sick."

NP - well, aren’t you smug as can be, with all the answers.

If we are to be a country of laws and, more importantly, respect for those laws, we should not turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. And, yes, this may involve reforms to those laws, but there are many Democrats who essentially support open borders and providing people living in the country illegally with all of, if not more, the benefits than are extended to citizens.

We are nowhere near the demographics of Japan, by the way.

Again with the disdain for research and policy based "answers"! You guys are just too much.

As for the assertions that immigrants are impacting home values in MoCo, I don't see proof for that. Prices have been on the upswing for the past decade. Prices are up, but volume is down, which means that demand is high. A downturn in sales volume was also attributed to the Amazon HQ2 decision.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/real-estate-2/report-shows-mixed-results-for-home-sales-in-montgomery-county/


But when you look at the most heavily Hispanic areas in MD (e.g. Riverdale Park) you STILL find housing values appreciating nicely (up 30% over last year!)

https://www.redfin.com/city/17065/MD/Riverdale-Park/housing-market

In MoCo, Gaithersburg has seen a big growth in Lationos, but also an upward trend in house prices in the past decade: https://www.zillow.com/gaithersburg-md/home-values/

OP, let me give you some advice. You can post link after link of your "research," but the fact that *you don't actually live in the neighborhoods that have been vividly described here* renders your links pretty meaningless. As another PP stated, all the research in the world means nothing when it simply concerns the GDP and other overarching statistics that have ZERO to do with the citizens who have to live in deteriorating neighborhoods and send their kids to deteriorating schools. In your many (MANY) posts, you have given no solutions for what the ACTUAL PEOPLE living in these neighborhoods should do. You just keep insisting that making illegal immigrants legal is somehow the way to go. It's not. I'm not sure what your actual motive here is, but it's abundantly clear your priorities aren't with the American citizens who are ALREADY here and trying to live in safe, clean, communities. Perhaps you should be down at the border, putting your money and time where your mouth is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people. my bad.

You're saying he should pretend his kids' schools are just fine to get street cred with you?

Basically, that's the argument. OP feels that we should send our kids to schools that are 50% ESOL and 50% FARMS in order to prove that we're not 'racist'. Any family that wants to avoid neighborhoods with illegal immigrants is a racist, plain and simple.

All the while, OP fights for open borders and more illegal immigration from her high horse in lily white Potomac neighborhood, as she campaigns for the latest Democratic candidate.

Precisely. It's people like the OP who will ensure Trump wins another term. And frankly, as the only person committed to actually ending illegal immigration, he deserves to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people. my bad.

You're saying he should pretend his kids' schools are just fine to get street cred with you?

Basically, that's the argument. OP feels that we should send our kids to schools that are 50% ESOL and 50% FARMS in order to prove that we're not 'racist'. Any family that wants to avoid neighborhoods with illegal immigrants is a racist, plain and simple.

All the while, OP fights for open borders and more illegal immigration from her high horse in lily white Potomac neighborhood, as she campaigns for the latest Democratic candidate.

Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

Keep it up, OP. Keep calling those of us who are against *ILLEGAL* immigration "racists" and you will ensure Trump's re-election in 2020. I'm sure your fellow liberals really wish you'd keep your mouth shut, but I'd like to thank you for making that happen.
Have a great day!
-DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people. my bad.

You're saying he should pretend his kids' schools are just fine to get street cred with you?

Basically, that's the argument. OP feels that we should send our kids to schools that are 50% ESOL and 50% FARMS in order to prove that we're not 'racist'. Any family that wants to avoid neighborhoods with illegal immigrants is a racist, plain and simple.

All the while, OP fights for open borders and more illegal immigration from her high horse in lily white Potomac neighborhood, as she campaigns for the latest Democratic candidate.

Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

That's cool. I've also lived in many diverse settings and am definitely not afraid of immigrants. Thanks for the dig on my kids, but don't worry - they're doing well. I'll turn it around on you and say that you must have incredibly low expectations for your kids if you're satisfied by their high ESOL/high FARMS schools. ES was fine for us, but by MS, you can absolutely see the low expectations in our school, versus at better performing schools where our friends and family have kids. Such. Low. Expecations. I see it in the papers that get sent home, the lack of writing feedback. the low expectations for homework, the even lower expectations for behavior.

I feel bad for your own kids if you feel that those low expectations are all you want for your kids.

Again, let me say this for the millionth time. I have no issue, none at all, with people who are here legally. Brown, white, purple or beige. I do have issues, many issues, with people who are here illegally, and that does not make me racist, despite how much you want to sell that story.