immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

Right. That's exactly how you win arguments - by dismissing people's personal life stories as unimportant. Where did you go to debate school, Miss Dumbass' Establishment?

I'm actually not trying to win - just to satisfy myself that your side is not driven by facts.

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Also ... when studying the guest worker program, we'd also have to look to see whether the guest workers, as opposed to permanent immigration, has a different impact on the native-born population and the economy. A lot of people here have claimed (against the evidence) that immigrants "steal" american jobs, drain the economy, and consume more in benefits than they contribute. As ALL my research links have shown - this is not true. Immigrants contribute to the economy by consuming goods, creating jobs as entrepeneurs, and their native-born children contribute at a higher level. This all has a positive synergistic effect on the economy, rather than reducing native-born wages. If they are guest workers confined to a single job and short time period, a lot of this positive integration into the economy couldn't really happen, and they would effectively be an "underclass" specifically for the labor use of the industry/employers that hire them. Maybe this is effectively what's happening now anyway with illegal immigrants working in isolated professions (mainly ag) but that would merit examination.

Educated affluent immigrants consume more goods, create more jobs, and their native born children are monopolizing gifted education in this country already as it is. The U.S. has plenty of its own uneducated.

I have to question any research that claims to examine the population that effectively lives in the shadows and isn't all that anxious to be questioned. Research about illegal migrants has to be routed in much projection.

Um ... ok, how about you actually engage in the research? Just saying that you don't believe it is pretty weak. And the whole thing about "living in the shadows" is exactly the point -- regularlize labor, and you're NO LONGER IN THE SHADOWS. You guys not only fail to actually engage in the research, but also refuse logical argument.

Darling, that's not how it works. You make the claim, you bring the evidence. Believing it or not is up to your audience.

Again, no one made you start this thread. No has really has to engage in anything.

With regard to regularizing the labor, no one has shown that labor will behave in the exact same manner once regularized. For all you know, regularizing it will change its behavior to the point of rejigging all economic equations.

Lol. I brought the evidence. Reams of links. When I posted them the response was "too many links." You guys would be so funny, if you weren't so pitiful (and malevolent).

Allright then. This thread has gone on for 19+ pages. I estimate the number of minds you have swayed to be below one. There you go with people being rational actors, expending their energies into a fruitless exercise.

You haven't brought any evidence that favors unskilled immigration over skilled.

You haven't brought any evidence that regularizing illegal labor will not change its economic behavior - for all you know, regularizing will bring its rates up to the point of changing its economics.

You haven't explained the validity of studies on shadow populations and how this type of research is necessarily driven by theories and assumptions, not pure data.

And along the way you managed to alienate the poster whose quality of life was affected by illegal migrants by dismissing his concerns as irrelevant.

All in all, I say excellent job. Carry on. If you are that productive in your day job...

I brought all that evidence, and more. All you brought is fact-free assertions and the fact that you don't like immigrants.

Right. You are a regular scholar in your own mind.

How would you know what I like?

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Also ... when studying the guest worker program, we'd also have to look to see whether the guest workers, as opposed to permanent immigration, has a different impact on the native-born population and the economy. A lot of people here have claimed (against the evidence) that immigrants "steal" american jobs, drain the economy, and consume more in benefits than they contribute. As ALL my research links have shown - this is not true. Immigrants contribute to the economy by consuming goods, creating jobs as entrepeneurs, and their native-born children contribute at a higher level. This all has a positive synergistic effect on the economy, rather than reducing native-born wages. If they are guest workers confined to a single job and short time period, a lot of this positive integration into the economy couldn't really happen, and they would effectively be an "underclass" specifically for the labor use of the industry/employers that hire them. Maybe this is effectively what's happening now anyway with illegal immigrants working in isolated professions (mainly ag) but that would merit examination.

Educated affluent immigrants consume more goods, create more jobs, and their native born children are monopolizing gifted education in this country already as it is. The U.S. has plenty of its own uneducated.

I have to question any research that claims to examine the population that effectively lives in the shadows and isn't all that anxious to be questioned. Research about illegal migrants has to be routed in much projection.

Um ... ok, how about you actually engage in the research? Just saying that you don't believe it is pretty weak. And the whole thing about "living in the shadows" is exactly the point -- regularlize labor, and you're NO LONGER IN THE SHADOWS. You guys not only fail to actually engage in the research, but also refuse logical argument.

Darling, that's not how it works. You make the claim, you bring the evidence. Believing it or not is up to your audience.

Again, no one made you start this thread. No has really has to engage in anything.

With regard to regularizing the labor, no one has shown that labor will behave in the exact same manner once regularized. For all you know, regularizing it will change its behavior to the point of rejigging all economic equations.

Lol. I brought the evidence. Reams of links. When I posted them the response was "too many links." You guys would be so funny, if you weren't so pitiful (and malevolent).

Allright then. This thread has gone on for 19+ pages. I estimate the number of minds you have swayed to be below one. There you go with people being rational actors, expending their energies into a fruitless exercise.

You haven't brought any evidence that favors unskilled immigration over skilled.

You haven't brought any evidence that regularizing illegal labor will not change its economic behavior - for all you know, regularizing will bring its rates up to the point of changing its economics.

You haven't explained the validity of studies on shadow populations and how this type of research is necessarily driven by theories and assumptions, not pure data.

And along the way you managed to alienate the poster whose quality of life was affected by illegal migrants by dismissing his concerns as irrelevant.

All in all, I say excellent job. Carry on. If you are that productive in your day job...

I brought all that evidence, and more. All you brought is fact-free assertions and the fact that you don't like immigrants.

Please don’t be disingenuous.

I’m the PP who you’ve been dismissive towards.

I’m the child of legal immigrants and have multiple family members who have immigrated here legally.

I have no problem with legal immigration and legal immigrants. I absolutely do not like ILLEGAL immigration. You (and the Democrats) do a fantastic job conflating the two) but hopefully enough Americans recognize that there is a difference.

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Also ... when studying the guest worker program, we'd also have to look to see whether the guest workers, as opposed to permanent immigration, has a different impact on the native-born population and the economy. A lot of people here have claimed (against the evidence) that immigrants "steal" american jobs, drain the economy, and consume more in benefits than they contribute. As ALL my research links have shown - this is not true. Immigrants contribute to the economy by consuming goods, creating jobs as entrepeneurs, and their native-born children contribute at a higher level. This all has a positive synergistic effect on the economy, rather than reducing native-born wages. If they are guest workers confined to a single job and short time period, a lot of this positive integration into the economy couldn't really happen, and they would effectively be an "underclass" specifically for the labor use of the industry/employers that hire them. Maybe this is effectively what's happening now anyway with illegal immigrants working in isolated professions (mainly ag) but that would merit examination.

Educated affluent immigrants consume more goods, create more jobs, and their native born children are monopolizing gifted education in this country already as it is. The U.S. has plenty of its own uneducated.

I have to question any research that claims to examine the population that effectively lives in the shadows and isn't all that anxious to be questioned. Research about illegal migrants has to be routed in much projection.

Um ... ok, how about you actually engage in the research? Just saying that you don't believe it is pretty weak. And the whole thing about "living in the shadows" is exactly the point -- regularlize labor, and you're NO LONGER IN THE SHADOWS. You guys not only fail to actually engage in the research, but also refuse logical argument.

Darling, that's not how it works. You make the claim, you bring the evidence. Believing it or not is up to your audience.

Again, no one made you start this thread. No has really has to engage in anything.

With regard to regularizing the labor, no one has shown that labor will behave in the exact same manner once regularized. For all you know, regularizing it will change its behavior to the point of rejigging all economic equations.

Lol. I brought the evidence. Reams of links. When I posted them the response was "too many links." You guys would be so funny, if you weren't so pitiful (and malevolent).

Allright then. This thread has gone on for 19+ pages. I estimate the number of minds you have swayed to be below one. There you go with people being rational actors, expending their energies into a fruitless exercise.

You haven't brought any evidence that favors unskilled immigration over skilled.

You haven't brought any evidence that regularizing illegal labor will not change its economic behavior - for all you know, regularizing will bring its rates up to the point of changing its economics.

You haven't explained the validity of studies on shadow populations and how this type of research is necessarily driven by theories and assumptions, not pure data.

And along the way you managed to alienate the poster whose quality of life was affected by illegal migrants by dismissing his concerns as irrelevant.

All in all, I say excellent job. Carry on. If you are that productive in your day job...

I brought all that evidence, and more. All you brought is fact-free assertions and the fact that you don't like immigrants.

Please don’t be disingenuous.

I’m the PP who you’ve been dismissive towards.

I’m the child of legal immigrants and have multiple family members who have immigrated here legally.

I have no problem with legal immigration and legal immigrants. I absolutely do not like ILLEGAL immigration. You (and the Democrats) do a fantastic job conflating the two) but hopefully enough Americans recognize that there is a difference.

I hate to break it to you, but the republicans really aren’t going to do anything about it either. I had hope with Trump but have come to that realization. You need to take care of yourself and your family. Get what you can out of your house and figure out where to go next- in this area, somewhere more expensive or far out (and lacking in good public transport) are less accessible for undocumented folks. If you can go elsewhere, there’s all sorts of places in this country where illegal immigration is not as pervasive. Of course you need to be selective because these areas may not be economically vibrant or may be very white (I think you said you are not white yourself) but there are sweet spots if you look hard enough. Good luck.

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

+1,000,000
OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

Huh someone is having a tantrum in the face of objective research, and it's not me ...

If you want to post actual research on property values etc, bring it on. If all you want to do is complain about immigrants in your neighborhood .... then yeah, not giving it that much creedance. Sorry.

Fortunately, you’re simply another anonymous poster whose opinions are easily disregarded. You do take yourself awfully seriously though, don’t you?
-DP

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

Huh someone is having a tantrum in the face of objective research, and it's not me ...

If you want to post actual research on property values etc, bring it on. If all you want to do is complain about immigrants in your neighborhood .... then yeah, not giving it that much creedance. Sorry.

Fortunately, you’re simply another anonymous poster whose opinions are easily disregarded. You do take yourself awfully seriously though, don’t you?
-DP

Yeah, such a nerd to want to understand the research behind major policy issues ... thanks for giving me insight into the unwashed and easily roused Trump base, tho.

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You're just mad noone was impressed with your "research behind major policy issues." What did you expect? That people would fall down on their knees and thank you, the enlightened one?

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Anonymous wrote:You're just mad noone was impressed with your "research behind major policy issues." What did you expect? That people would fall down on their knees and thank you, the enlightened one?

the fact that you put "research behind major policy issues" in scare quotes tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Trump supporters.

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Anonymous wrote:You're just mad noone was impressed with your "research behind major policy issues." What did you expect? That people would fall down on their knees and thank you, the enlightened one?

the fact that you put "research behind major policy issues" in scare quotes tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Trump supporters.

I don't even vote, you ninny. I am mocking your stick-up-the-assness - not actual idea of research.

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

+1,000,000
OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

DP. It's the same with my neighborhood in lower Mont County. Practically half the school is ESOL, and investors are buying houses and building them out to rent basement apartments to a second family. It's probably one of the only places within 10 miles of DC where you can buy a 5-bedroom house on a 1/2 acre for $450,000.

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

+1,000,000
OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

DP. It's the same with my neighborhood in lower Mont County. Practically half the school is ESOL, and investors are buying houses and building them out to rent basement apartments to a second family[b]. It's probably one of the only places within 10 miles of DC where you can buy a 5-bedroom house on a 1/2 acre for $450,000.

FTR, this is currently ILLEGAL in Montgomery County. You can't rent out a basement apartment, unless you actually live in the home. Unfortunately the county doesn't enforce any of its own rules, and chooses to look the other way in these situations, so landlords are able to rake in tons of cash (cash only payments, so no recorded income!) on these units.

Our neighborhood association tried to do something about these 'investors', but it's almost impossible to prove who lives in those homes when most of the residents are 'undocumented'. You end up with 7 cars parked in front of the house. Construction work that is not up to code. Seven kids attending school, whereas in reality, it should be less than that. Trash all over the yard.

We also have homes that investors have purchased to build up a second story to do this type of rental. Of course, no rental license.

We're not even that close to a Metro. Maybe it used to be that these residents needed public transport, but in our neighborhood, they seem to have multiple cars. So being close to public transport is not a necessity anymore.

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

Huh someone is having a tantrum in the face of objective research, and it's not me ...

If you want to post actual research on property values etc, bring it on. If all you want to do is complain about immigrants in your neighborhood .... then yeah, not giving it that much creedance. Sorry.

Fortunately, you’re simply another anonymous poster whose opinions are easily disregarded. You do take yourself awfully seriously though, don’t you?
-DP

Yeah, such a nerd to want to understand the research behind major policy issues ... thanks for giving me insight into the unwashed and easily roused Trump base, tho.

You're a nerd because you want to argue. No matter what. No matter how many posters "engage with your research," and then state their OWN opinions, all you want to do is shout them down and claim they're wrong because... "research." Guess what? As plenty of posters have already said, you can post all the research you want (no, that's not an invitation to post more) - nothing compares to actually living in the neighborhoods affected by illegal immigration and sending your kids to the schools which are overwhelmed with non-English speaking kids. Neither of which you know *anything* about.

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Anonymous wrote:You're just mad noone was impressed with your "research behind major policy issues." What did you expect? That people would fall down on their knees and thank you, the enlightened one?

the fact that you put "research behind major policy issues" in scare quotes tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Trump supporters.

It's funny you assume the people mocking you have to be Trump supporters. I'm an independent and every person I know feels something drastic needs to be done about illegal immigration. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Which clearly rules you out.
-DP

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Okay? I’m that PP and I’m not white. I’m scared of myself? Nope. But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood. I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive). I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids. In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world. And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood. That makes me sad.

I'm sure the OP will call you names and demand research before she acknowledges that you have a point.

In fact, yes, I will. That's what this thread is about, and I'm sorry it pisses people off so much to have to actually show that their opinions are grounded in fact.

Yes, neighborhoods change socioeconomically - that's neither here nor there. I'm sure a lot of people who love to buy giant houses in SE DC but can't because of "those" people.

What? No one has to show you a damn thing. Remember, you are the one who opened this thread. You are the one making arguments and asking for understanding. You are the one throwing tantrums like a little baby demanding people agree with you. And now you're stomping your little feet because it didn't go the way you wanted.

And now let's translate your second paragraph into straight English. "I don't care about your property values, your children's schooling, your quality of life. I have research! and research is more important than you. Go away with your stupid experiences and life stories. So what that "those" people affected your life, you aren't really all that important."

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OP has quickly become one of the more tiresome posters on DCUM. What a moron. I’m done presenting “research” to the OP, as if s/he somehow makes the decisions. All I have to do is take a drive through the neighborhood to see with my own eyes the damage illegal immigration has done to our community.

DP. It's the same with my neighborhood in lower Mont County. Practically half the school is ESOL, and investors are buying houses and building them out to rent basement apartments to a second family[b]. It's probably one of the only places within 10 miles of DC where you can buy a 5-bedroom house on a 1/2 acre for $450,000.

FTR, this is currently ILLEGAL in Montgomery County. You can't rent out a basement apartment, unless you actually live in the home. Unfortunately the county doesn't enforce any of its own rules, and chooses to look the other way in these situations, so landlords are able to rake in tons of cash (cash only payments, so no recorded income!) on these units.

Our neighborhood association tried to do something about these 'investors', but it's almost impossible to prove who lives in those homes when most of the residents are 'undocumented'. You end up with 7 cars parked in front of the house. Construction work that is not up to code. Seven kids attending school, whereas in reality, it should be less than that. Trash all over the yard.

We also have homes that investors have purchased to build up a second story to do this type of rental. Of course, no rental license.

We're not even that close to a Metro. Maybe it used to be that these residents needed public transport, but in our neighborhood, they seem to have multiple cars. So being close to public transport is not a necessity anymore.

It's sad what pleasant neighborhoods have become and the OP should be ashamed for encouraging this behavior.