Haycock class changes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagine a PTA meeting at my child's school devolving into someone filming the spectacle, people crying and whispering about getting the principal fired, and people yelling at the principal over a reasonable change. No other FCPS school has kids change subjects from 1st grade on like this.

There is this sense of entitlement Haycock parents seem to have about their child's public school education. Your child is not entitled to learn at what you consider the "ideal" pace/method for him personally. It's public education.

Agree. Parents should definitely not care about their children’s education. Please shut up and just accept what they offer you.

The satire falls flat when you claim it’s about parents sticking up for the teachers, but most infer that the typical Haycock AAP parent would go after a teacher with an axe if that teacher ever gave their kid a less than glowing recommendation or a bad grade. Seriously, I think you have no idea how you make the school appear to others.

It sounded more like sarcasm. Don’t see how anyone is “inferring” that parents are going after teachers. If the teachers were all on board with the change, this chat wouldn’t exist. The crux of the matter is that good teachers have been leaving and are continuing to leave because of the changes at the school and the “toxic environment” and “low morale” (direct quotes). The principal isn’t picking up on these things or isn’t caring to change it.

Definitely sarcasm. The satire guy probably didn’t go to Haycock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagine a PTA meeting at my child's school devolving into someone filming the spectacle, people crying and whispering about getting the principal fired, and people yelling at the principal over a reasonable change. No other FCPS school has kids change subjects from 1st grade on like this.

There is this sense of entitlement Haycock parents seem to have about their child's public school education. Your child is not entitled to learn at what you consider the "ideal" pace/method for him personally. It's public education.

Agree. Parents should definitely not care about their children’s education. Please shut up and just accept what they offer you.

The satire falls flat when you claim it’s about parents sticking up for the teachers, but most infer that the typical Haycock AAP parent would go after a teacher with an axe if that teacher ever gave their kid a less than glowing recommendation or a bad grade. Seriously, I think you have no idea how you make the school appear to others.

It sounded more like sarcasm. Don’t see how anyone is “inferring” that parents are going after teachers. If the teachers were all on board with the change, this chat wouldn’t exist. The crux of the matter is that good teachers have been leaving and are continuing to leave because of the changes at the school and the “toxic environment” and “low morale” (direct quotes). The principal isn’t picking up on these things or isn’t caring to change it.

Definitely sarcasm. The satire guy probably didn’t go to Haycock.

My bad. I did not.

But then your kids probably won’t go to an Ivy and you still come across like a-holes.

[Anonymous]

So you’re just a voyeur who visited a thread to talk mess about parents going after teachers because of bad grades?

[Anonymous]

DP. Is it voyeurism to read this thread and comment, if my DC goes to a school that is not Haycock? If this thread is supposed to be private, a neighborhood list serve may be a better place for it.

[Anonymous]

Bruh, read and comment all you want. But supposing a typical haycock parent picks up an axe over bad grades, that’s strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. Is it voyeurism to read this thread and comment, if my DC goes to a school that is not Haycock? If this thread is supposed to be private, a neighborhood list serve may be a better place for it.

Now there’s a thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Link please? Why wouldn’t the admin just present that then? Shouldn’t the aap rep be all over that?

Instead of a link, have you asked your kid? My kid doesn't like it. First, the teachers try to combine the various subjects. Example is history studying Virginia immigration and early life and science studying Virginia topography. To make this work, the science teacher and the history teacher have to coordinate their lessons. Wouldn't it make more sense for the main teacher to teach both subjects and integrate the lessons in the class?

Another issue is when one of teachers isn't strong. DS had a terrible English teacher. The main teacher was great, but English was all over the place. He hated going to English. He would've preferred his base teacher.

Subjects are not so complex in elementary that a teacher can't teach multiple subjects. I don't see the need for specialization, unlike middle and high school where the material is much more complex.

It's not like the teachers can't still share lessons. Each teacher in a grade could be a specialist and develop more depth in the lesson planing for their subject. Then they would share with the other teachers.

I think the real issue is the parents and teachers didn't have a say in the decision. While I think good leadership tries to get buy-in on policy decisions, the teachers don't have a right to dictate school policies. That's the principal's job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Link please? Why wouldn’t the admin just present that then? Shouldn’t the aap rep be all over that?

Instead of a link, have you asked your kid? My kid doesn't like it. First, the teachers try to combine the various subjects. Example is history studying Virginia immigration and early life and science studying Virginia topography. To make this work, the science teacher and the history teacher have to coordinate their lessons. Wouldn't it make more sense for the main teacher to teach both subjects and integrate the lessons in the class?

Another issue is when one of teachers isn't strong. DS had a terrible English teacher. The main teacher was great, but English was all over the place. He hated going to English. He would've preferred his base teacher.

Subjects are not so complex in elementary that a teacher can't teach multiple subjects. I don't see the need for specialization, unlike middle and high school where the material is much more complex.

It's not like the teachers can't still share lessons. Each teacher in a grade could be a specialist and develop more depth in the lesson planing for their subject. Then they would share with the other teachers.

I think the real issue is the parents and teachers didn't have a say in the decision. While I think good leadership tries to get buy-in on policy decisions, the teachers don't have a right to dictate school policies. That's the principal's job.

You make a valid point. But what happens if you only have one teacher and that teacher isn’t very good? Then you’re stuck. My kid likes moving around and having the different teachers.

[Anonymous]

I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

Seriously? If this is true, if I were here I would have quit on the spot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

Seriously? If this is true, if I were here I would have quit on the spot.

Fortunately for your kids, teachers have more professionalism than you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

What does this mean? She's a wonderful teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

What does this mean? She's a wonderful teacher.

She's a great teacher. And I'm guessing she and plenty of her colleagues have been on the market for the past few months and will seriously consider leaving if they haven't already made that decision. The inability of either side to come together and try to work things out. I tend to think the Principal is at fault but they're all adults. Agree to disagree, but do it in a civil way, no directive meetings or playing nice in a PTA meeting then taking it out on anyone who wants to speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that the teacher that spoke up at the PTA meeting was dressed down by the Principal for speaking up. Probably not the hoped for reaction.

What does this mean? She's a wonderful teacher.

She's a great teacher. And I'm guessing she and plenty of her colleagues have been on the market for the past few months and will seriously consider leaving if they haven't already made that decision. The inability of either side to come together and try to work things out. I tend to think the Principal is at fault but they're all adults. Agree to disagree, but do it in a civil way, no directive meetings or playing nice in a PTA meeting then taking it out on anyone who wants to speak.

I have to think there's a high probability she's already made the decision. I don't see how she'd be willing to talk so bluntly and then stay in that environment. But maybe she's more loyal to the kids and the community than I realize and is willing to try to make it work out. I can always hope. My kid is younger so I hope some of these great teachers stick around.

[Anonymous]

The parents sound batshit crazy. I can't imagine any teachers wanting to stay at that school.