Early Predictions 2028: AOC, Whitmer, Newsome or …?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the most savage Democrat available? That's who I want.

I want someone with a 'give no fks' attitude. I want them to rule only through EOs. I want someone who will declare MAGA as domestic terrorists & round them up to ship off to another country. I want their social media team to use the official accounts to post unhinged things with captions like CRY HARDER.

I don't want someone who will play nice with the other side. Fk that. We played nice for decades and look where it got us? The GOP put Trump in and opened the door for revenge politics to be on the front burner, so I want someone who will embrace that sh!t. Give me someone who will grill Musky so hard that he's unable to catch his breath from all the crying. I want to see his mommy come back to social media to tell the public to be nicer to him...and then the public rip her to shreds.

You won't like the answer, but Dems have exactly one person like this and his name is Cuomo.

Too old. No more Bidens please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is the most savage Democrat available? That's who I want.

I want someone with a 'give no fks' attitude. I want them to rule only through EOs. I want someone who will declare MAGA as domestic terrorists & round them up to ship off to another country. I want their social media team to use the official accounts to post unhinged things with captions like CRY HARDER.

I don't want someone who will play nice with the other side. Fk that. We played nice for decades and look where it got us? The GOP put Trump in and opened the door for revenge politics to be on the front burner, so I want someone who will embrace that sh!t. Give me someone who will grill Musky so hard that he's unable to catch his breath from all the crying. I want to see his mommy come back to social media to tell the public to be nicer to him...and then the public rip her to shreds.

You won't like the answer, but Dems have exactly one person like this and his name is Cuomo.

haha nooo

[Anonymous]

As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

Oh boy you are drinking something strong if you think Rubio/Gabbard is a home run ticket

[Anonymous]

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Dems don't need red states to win a POTUS election. They need a few purple states. Whitmer is a multi-term Governor of a purple state you sexist two-bit fool.

Democrats know their candidates lose because of sexism. How smart are they if they know this and keep nominating women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

Oh boy you are drinking something strong if you think Rubio/Gabbard is a home run ticket

Rubio would have beat Hillary in 2016 and was only sidelined because Trump is a generational political force, love him or hate him.

Tulsi is beloved by the bro podcaster world, especially Rogan, and would win a lot of Reagan Dems / Independents that are in places like Wisconsin and Michigan. People like you don’t like her, which is one of the reasons people in other places like her. She has antiestablishment cred in nation where both parties numbers, especially the Dems, are in the toilet. She’s also a tough debater and has combat experience, which plays in the heartland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Those 40% approval ratings were when the S&P was hovering at 5,000 and we were in a raging trade war. The S&P almost hit 5,900 today, job numbers are up, and inflation is at a 4 year low for April. Politics can change on a dime, and I can almost guarantee Trump’s approval numbers will start ticking up from those lows in newer polls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

I bet you thought Trump was finished when said Haitians eat cats. Politics can change very, very fast. If inflation is down, jobs are up, and the S&P is around 7,500-8,000 in 2028, someone like Rubio will be hard to beat. Especially if he’s seen brokering a Ukraine / Russia peace deal before then and no big wars break out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Those 40% approval ratings were when the S&P was hovering at 5,000 and we were in a raging trade war. The S&P almost hit 5,900 today, job numbers are up, and inflation is at a 4 year low for April. Politics can change on a dime, and I can almost guarantee Trump’s approval numbers will start ticking up from those lows in newer polls.

I hope you're right because every American benefits when a POTUS is successful. There is just one rather obvious and important thing you're overlooking. Trump had mostly great economic numbers during his 1st term prior to Covid and Biden had mostly great economic numbers on paper for most of his term..... how did those economic numbers correspond to job approval ratings and election success for Biden and Trump?..... not tooooooo good!!!

The economy and people's perception of the economy is the number one issue for voters in normal times when the majority of people respect a competent POTUS. When the POTUS is clearly unfit for the job and/or clearly lacks integrity, that becomes the number one issue. Trump lost in 2020 due to his unfitness and lack of integrity. The economy did nothing for unfit Biden and the Dems in 2024.

Try again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

Oh boy you are drinking something strong if you think Rubio/Gabbard is a home run ticket

Rubio would have beat Hillary in 2016 and was only sidelined because Trump is a generational political force, love him or hate him.

Tulsi is beloved by the bro podcaster world, especially Rogan, and would win a lot of Reagan Dems / Independents that are in places like Wisconsin and Michigan. People like you don’t like her, which is one of the reasons people in other places like her. She has antiestablishment cred in nation where both parties numbers, especially the Dems, are in the toilet. She’s also a tough debater and has combat experience, which plays in the heartland.

haha all right

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

I bet you thought Trump was finished when said Haitians eat cats. Politics can change very, very fast. If inflation is down, jobs are up, and the S&P is around 7,500-8,000 in 2028, someone like Rubio will be hard to beat. Especially if he’s seen brokering a Ukraine / Russia peace deal before then and no big wars break out.

No, it was clear to anyone who pays attention to politics and knows their history that the Dems had zero chance of winning the moment Biden announced he was seeking a second term. Trump could have literally shot someone on 5th Avenue a month before Election day 2024 and he still would have won. Biden could have shot someone on 5th Ave a month before Election Day 2020 and he still would have won. Sitting POTUSs with 40% approval ratings do not win. They lose and the incumbent party typically takes a beating all around the country. These are facts.

If Trump turns things around and becomes a reasonably popular POTUS due to wars ending and economic successes without wrecking and dividing the country further, I'll be very happy and will be glad to then say the GOP does indeed have a chance in 2028. The odds of Trump being as popular as a normal president in 2028 are about the same as the odds of seeing Palestinians and Jews in the ME getting along like peas and carrots during our lifetimes. We should all hope for it but only a fool would bet on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

Oh boy you are drinking something strong if you think Rubio/Gabbard is a home run ticket

Rubio would have beat Hillary in 2016 and was only sidelined because Trump is a generational political force, love him or hate him.

Sounds nice, but the reality is he would have lost. Christie pointed out that he just had some nice sounding words.

Plus Hillary would have destroyed him on abortion, where Rubio was anti-abortion with no exception for rape.
Trump on abortion was both more moderate and more conservative than the field. He had various exceptions, but also gave the most pro-life debate performance ever.
He really nailed the election when Chris Wallace went deep on the issue in the third debate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats don't have a snowball's chance in hell because the oligarchs they take orders from are the ones who are pushing all of the policies that normal Americans find repulsive. Democrats cannot retreat from these losing positions because then the flow of money from these oligarchs will stop.

For instance, the Pritzker billionaire who now goes by "Jennifer" was a Republican donor for over 30 years before he came out as an alleged "woman" in his 60s. At that point, as he himself has said on the record, all of his money was not enough to stop Republicans from marginalizing him out of disgust. He then crossed over to the Democratic side of the aisle, where he found people even more morally bankrupt than Republicans who are willing to help men take over women's spaces and push transgenderism for money. He is a democratic donor literally for one reason and one reason only: to push his personal fetish and give it the force of law.

So, Democrats are trapped. If they drop all of the horrible agendas they've been pushing, they might win over society, but their oligarch funding will disappear. If they keep pushing all of this madness to keep the money coming from the deeply unwell billionaires funding various agendas, voters will continue to say no thank you.

Selling out has its down side!

The political landscape you describe was the same in 2020 and still yet the GOP incumbent nominee LOST to a 77 year old clown. I don't have high expectations for any Trump endorsed GOP idiot in 2028. It's called common sense. Find some.

"Common sense" holds that, because of 2020, Democrats can win in 2028 on a platform that had them losing all seven swing states in 2024? Interesting.

Exactly. Common sense says Jan 6 should have been a disqualifier but here we are.

If we do a better job reminding voters about J6 than we should have a far better result in 2028.

Please do keep beating the J6 dead horse.
- Maga