Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.


This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

Indeed, the waste of resources is jaw dropping.

With the budget surplus they could have been burying power lines, but I guess there were more important priorities to squander the money.

What state buries high transmission lines? These fires aren't caused by residential lines, they're cause by long distance lines

Untrimmed trees are a source of fires. It's on the power company to maintain the trees. Trees falling on power lines are a huge problem.

This is about the dried out brush on the forest floor that catches fire easily, and needs to be better managed. This is not about the power company, it's about California's failed government.

It's probably both. Multiple fires burning, we will have to say if they can pinpoint the cause of each. They usually do, just takes time. 85% of fires are caused by humans.

Fires have been a problem in California for thousands of years. Even the native Americans used to do controlled burns!

Too bad Democrats don’t feel like doing controlled burns, or even clearing any of the fallen dead trees.

Once again, controlled burns have never stopped. Some funding was cut during the previous trump admin, but the burns have continued. Unfortunately this started as a small fire in a pac palisades back yard. You can’t do a controlled burn in a tightly packed suburban/semi-urban yard. That’s like saying they should do controlled burns around Bethesda row

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Places like Palisades High--this building burned down. It's not in a rural area, it's not wilderness; it's a suburban, densely buult and populated area. The winds have been something like 80 miles per hour! That is the reason for the quick spread of the fires.

I'm seeing the Palisades one started as a backyard fire. It's so nonsensical to see so much devastation over this + high winds.

Well, it's a Santa Ana wind and they are dry and strong. People are warned to not have fires. That "red flag" warning has been in effect for a few days. In this kind of gale force wind, it spreads rapidly and takes on a life of its own. These winds create a fire risk every single year. The winds are not new and the disaster is not caused by politicians and it's debatable if climate change has increased fire risk. The lack of rain is an issue but these winds have always been a part of California. It's as nonsensical as a hurricane. There is only so much humans can do in a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

I agree with pp. There is only so much PG&E can do and their lines are not the sole source of ignition.

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

Who are they?

Crawl out from under your rock

I'm genuinely sorry these people lost their homes. But they are not as famous as you think they are.

NP. Between The OC & Gossip Girl, they're pretty damn famous. But also, Nobody Wants This got a lot of attention this year and Adam got nominated for a Golden Globe at the ceremony that just happened. Between their historic fame and his hot at the moment fame, it is pretty surprising you don't know who they are.

NP. They aren’t A listers. Definitely not household names. I’ve heard of Adrien Brody but not Adam. Leighton is vaguely familiar.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.


This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

Indeed, the waste of resources is jaw dropping.

With the budget surplus they could have been burying power lines, but I guess there were more important priorities to squander the money.

What state buries high transmission lines? These fires aren't caused by residential lines, they're cause by long distance lines

Untrimmed trees are a source of fires. It's on the power company to maintain the trees. Trees falling on power lines are a huge problem.

This is about the dried out brush on the forest floor that catches fire easily, and needs to be better managed. This is not about the power company, it's about California's failed government.

It's probably both. Multiple fires burning, we will have to say if they can pinpoint the cause of each. They usually do, just takes time. 85% of fires are caused by humans.

Fires have been a problem in California for thousands of years. Even the native Americans used to do controlled burns!

Too bad Democrats don’t feel like doing controlled burns, or even clearing any of the fallen dead trees.

Once again, controlled burns have never stopped. Some funding was cut during the previous trump admin, but the burns have continued. Unfortunately this started as a small fire in a pac palisades back yard. You can’t do a controlled burn in a tightly packed suburban/semi-urban yard. That’s like saying they should do controlled burns around Bethesda row

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Places like Palisades High--this building burned down. It's not in a rural area, it's not wilderness; it's a suburban, densely buult and populated area. The winds have been something like 80 miles per hour! That is the reason for the quick spread of the fires.

I'm seeing the Palisades one started as a backyard fire. It's so nonsensical to see so much devastation over this + high winds.

I sincerely hope this wasn’t someone thinking that burn bans didn’t apply to them and their “well contained” fire pit, or improper disposal of a cigarette or a joint. It’s just horrific.

Not nonsensical though. Millions of acres have been burned in wildfires due to one person’s disregard or carelessness. If that’s what caused this, the only difference is that it’s in an urban area (which significantly changes the losses).

I hope they’re able to get the fires under control soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Calfironia is an awful state. Also this has been a possibility for decades...at least. Californians know what they get into when they move and live in that state. Also see: bootstraps; American Individualism et al.

Where do you live?

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This is a huge area.

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I’m 100% positive all the east coast jerks here wishing ill on Californians losing their homes are the same people who want compensation from the federal government when there is an inch of snow on the ground in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge area.

What’s crazy is all the lights still on around the fire. I’m sure that didn’t help.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge area.

What’s crazy is all the lights still on around the fire. I’m sure that didn’t help.

I think it's very hard to tell what you're looking at in this. Light from the fire, car lights, etc look very similar to residential lights.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

Indeed, the waste of resources is jaw dropping.

With the budget surplus they could have been burying power lines, but I guess there were more important priorities to squander the money.

What state buries high transmission lines? These fires aren't caused by residential lines, they're cause by long distance lines

Which our power company plans to build through my neighborhood in Ashburn. We've been in drought for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Calfironia is an awful state. Also this has been a possibility for decades...at least. Californians know what they get into when they move and live in that state. Also see: bootstraps; American Individualism et al.

And yet many people who could afford to live anywhere in the world tend to live in California.

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Wow - whole swath of those PCH homes gone. I hope they don’t rebuild there.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% positive all the east coast jerks here wishing ill on Californians losing their homes are the same people who want compensation from the federal government when there is an inch of snow on the ground in DC.

First, everyone is not wishing ill on Californians, you are delusional. But, Karma? These were the same Hollywood jerks telling us who to vote for and acting as though they had a clue what mine and others financial realities truly were/are, I can't blame people for pointing and laughing, it's human nature. Wrong, yes, but I kinda understand. As for me, I hope there are not many lives lost, there is no way it will stop with two, it's just too horrific. Please, though, no more Californians migrating to my state because of this. They are just so nasty and rude to the locals and I don't want to held accountable for the Californians behavior.

What state is that?

Pick one, they were like cockroaches during Covid and took over many small towns. No more Californians! Stay away!

That explained a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% positive all the east coast jerks here wishing ill on Californians losing their homes are the same people who want compensation from the federal government when there is an inch of snow on the ground in DC.

First, everyone is not wishing ill on Californians, you are delusional. But, Karma? These were the same Hollywood jerks telling us who to vote for and acting as though they had a clue what mine and others financial realities truly were/are, I can't blame people for pointing and laughing, it's human nature. Wrong, yes, but I kinda understand. As for me, I hope there are not many lives lost, there is no way it will stop with two, it's just too horrific. Please, though, no more Californians migrating to my state because of this. They are just so nasty and rude to the locals and I don't want to held accountable for the Californians behavior.

Hey lots of us have college students or older kids there working. Wishing the fires out soon and safety firefighters and residents. Karma to the poster above.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% positive all the east coast jerks here wishing ill on Californians losing their homes are the same people who want compensation from the federal government when there is an inch of snow on the ground in DC.

First, everyone is not wishing ill on Californians, you are delusional. But, Karma? These were the same Hollywood jerks telling us who to vote for and acting as though they had a clue what mine and others financial realities truly were/are, I can't blame people for pointing and laughing, it's human nature. Wrong, yes, but I kinda understand. As for me, I hope there are not many lives lost, there is no way it will stop with two, it's just too horrific. Please, though, no more Californians migrating to my state because of this. They are just so nasty and rude to the locals and I don't want to held accountable for the Californians behavior.

So what’s the Karma for hurricanes, tornadoes, and other natural disasters in red states? How about the massive, long power outage during last summers (literally) killer heat wave in Texas?