New Policy: APS school board adopts all-day ban on student phone use, makes one exception

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Anonymous wrote:This should be interesting now that phone use is being restricted in the N Arlington high schools, too (& not just at Wakefield). I imagine those parents will have something to say.

And next year, will all schools use the yondr pouches? Or none?

Why? All the N Arlington parents I know support the ban.

Yorktown parent here - none of my friends support the ban

WL parent in N Arlington here and I don’t support the ban and neither do many of the parents I know.

Another N Arl parent. I think they should be able to use it between classes and at lunch.

Why is between classes so important?

This is so typical, you HAD to push for a ban without even understanding how students use them

So instead of answering the question, you take on a personal attack?

It was stating the obvious. This person wants a ban when they don't know how students use their phones. Typical, unfortunately, of a certain loud parents advocacy group in APS, pushing for something they don't understand. Are you the same parent who wants pencil and paper instead of laptops in high school too?

Not the previous poster. I'm the poster asking why it's so critical for students to access their phones for 5 minutes every 90 minutes as they exchange classes. The fact that you have repeatedly refused to provide a reason and just continue to insult me indicates there is no critical reason that students must have access for their phones in the hallways walking to their next class or while they wait for class to begin.

It would have been so much simpler if you had just answered the question.

this has been put out there about a zillion times in threads on here, i don't have time to summarize it all for you. go back and look for yourself if you're so curious.

Haha, so you really don't have an answer.

Or you realize "arranging carpool", "checking team practice schedule", or whatever nonsense may have been mentioned on this thread can all easily wait till the end of the day.

I mean, you literally could list ONE legitimate reason.

Not the PP but this isn’t the gotcha that you think it is. There is an entire thread discussing the topic. Filled with a bunch of ES parents who are clueless, insufferable twats.

+1. If the other poster can't find it, then they need to work on their tech skills.

Completely disagree. "the other poster" isn't the one making the claim. The one making the claim is the one responsible for providing the evidence.

responsible? listen to yourself. no one is responsible for answering your question that's already been answered just because you're too lazy to go find it

you are lying. i've followed this entire thread. there have been no reasonable answer to that question -- it's all about arranging carpools and soccer practice.

this hasn't been the only thread on this issue. also you're not going to think any use is reasonable because cell phones are just too triggering to you.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be interesting now that phone use is being restricted in the N Arlington high schools, too (& not just at Wakefield). I imagine those parents will have something to say.

And next year, will all schools use the yondr pouches? Or none?

Why? All the N Arlington parents I know support the ban.

Yorktown parent here - none of my friends support the ban

WL parent in N Arlington here and I don’t support the ban and neither do many of the parents I know.

Another N Arl parent. I think they should be able to use it between classes and at lunch.

Why is between classes so important?

This is so typical, you HAD to push for a ban without even understanding how students use them

So instead of answering the question, you take on a personal attack?

It was stating the obvious. This person wants a ban when they don't know how students use their phones. Typical, unfortunately, of a certain loud parents advocacy group in APS, pushing for something they don't understand. Are you the same parent who wants pencil and paper instead of laptops in high school too?

Not the previous poster. I'm the poster asking why it's so critical for students to access their phones for 5 minutes every 90 minutes as they exchange classes. The fact that you have repeatedly refused to provide a reason and just continue to insult me indicates there is no critical reason that students must have access for their phones in the hallways walking to their next class or while they wait for class to begin.

It would have been so much simpler if you had just answered the question.

this has been put out there about a zillion times in threads on here, i don't have time to summarize it all for you. go back and look for yourself if you're so curious.

Haha, so you really don't have an answer.

Or you realize "arranging carpool", "checking team practice schedule", or whatever nonsense may have been mentioned on this thread can all easily wait till the end of the day.

I mean, you literally could list ONE legitimate reason.

Not the PP but this isn’t the gotcha that you think it is. There is an entire thread discussing the topic. Filled with a bunch of ES parents who are clueless, insufferable twats.

+1. If the other poster can't find it, then they need to work on their tech skills.

Completely disagree. "the other poster" isn't the one making the claim. The one making the claim is the one responsible for providing the evidence.

responsible? listen to yourself. no one is responsible for answering your question that's already been answered just because you're too lazy to go find it

you are lying. i've followed this entire thread. there have been no reasonable answer to that question -- it's all about arranging carpools and soccer practice.

this hasn't been the only thread on this issue. also you're not going to think any use is reasonable because cell phones are just too triggering to you.

Okay? DCUM search is terrible, and somehow it’s easier to argue with me about how “easy” it is to find rather than list a reason?

I mean what a gotcha you would have on me, to put out that zinger that has been discussed at length, and I would have egg on my face because it such a crucial element of high school education… yet still you just say “uh, someone else listed good reasons somewhere” instead.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be interesting now that phone use is being restricted in the N Arlington high schools, too (& not just at Wakefield). I imagine those parents will have something to say.

And next year, will all schools use the yondr pouches? Or none?

Why? All the N Arlington parents I know support the ban.

Yorktown parent here - none of my friends support the ban

WL parent in N Arlington here and I don’t support the ban and neither do many of the parents I know.

Another N Arl parent. I think they should be able to use it between classes and at lunch.

Why is between classes so important?

This is so typical, you HAD to push for a ban without even understanding how students use them

So instead of answering the question, you take on a personal attack?

It was stating the obvious. This person wants a ban when they don't know how students use their phones. Typical, unfortunately, of a certain loud parents advocacy group in APS, pushing for something they don't understand. Are you the same parent who wants pencil and paper instead of laptops in high school too?

Not the previous poster. I'm the poster asking why it's so critical for students to access their phones for 5 minutes every 90 minutes as they exchange classes. The fact that you have repeatedly refused to provide a reason and just continue to insult me indicates there is no critical reason that students must have access for their phones in the hallways walking to their next class or while they wait for class to begin.

It would have been so much simpler if you had just answered the question.

this has been put out there about a zillion times in threads on here, i don't have time to summarize it all for you. go back and look for yourself if you're so curious.

Haha, so you really don't have an answer.

Or you realize "arranging carpool", "checking team practice schedule", or whatever nonsense may have been mentioned on this thread can all easily wait till the end of the day.

I mean, you literally could list ONE legitimate reason.

Not the PP but this isn’t the gotcha that you think it is. There is an entire thread discussing the topic. Filled with a bunch of ES parents who are clueless, insufferable twats.

If you can't answer the question yourself, at least provide a link to the thread.

No one is required to answer sht stirring, off-topic questions.

I didn’t make the claim about phone access between classes and I’m not your link btch. Find it yourself.

Perhaps not; but you are a b---.
Goodbye.

Klassy

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I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

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At Yorktown they are allowed to use them in a quiet spot in the library. DD tells me she doesn’t have time during the day to go to said spot. So if she needs to get us a message I guess she does it while going to the bathroom.

But schedule changes happen all the time in high school. Something was cancelled today so I didn’t have to pick her up from school. She rode the bus. Nice to get that message so I didn’t have to rush to leave the office at 4 to pick her up.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

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Anonymous wrote:At Yorktown they are allowed to use them in a quiet spot in the library. DD tells me she doesn’t have time during the day to go to said spot. So if she needs to get us a message I guess she does it while going to the bathroom.

But schedule changes happen all the time in high school. Something was cancelled today so I didn’t have to pick her up from school. She rode the bus. Nice to get that message so I didn’t have to rush to leave the office at 4 to pick her up.

She can email you. She has access to email from her laptop. If she doesn't have a non-APS email account, perhaps you should look into one.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

Look, I don’t disagree with you that phones HELP ME as the parent. Your example is just that. But the question you don’t seem willing to grapple with is how the net benefit of that phone, which let’s be honest is mostly for you, outweighs the overwhelming demonstrable harm to your child of the use of the phone. It’s true that your child’s 3 second text to you probably isn’t going to cause depression but the reality is there is no way to enforce a 3 second text to parent rule and so we as an intelligent adult support system have to listen to the teacher and the scientists who are telling us that kids access to phones during the school day is harming their educational experience. So lose the sad face about having to leave work early. I mean kids in years past figured it out, so will yours. It might even be good for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

It isn’t always convenient to whip out a laptop.

Yes, obviously life can go on without cell phones. We all grew up without them.

There is no substantial difference between:
- between classes vs lunch
- laptop vs phone

You want to add hassle and inconvenience for no real value.

I’m glad my kid’s school doesn’t take this too seriously. It’s not worth the hassle.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

Look, I don’t disagree with you that phones HELP ME as the parent. Your example is just that. But the question you don’t seem willing to grapple with is how the net benefit of that phone, which let’s be honest is mostly for you, outweighs the overwhelming demonstrable harm to your child of the use of the phone. It’s true that your child’s 3 second text to you probably isn’t going to cause depression but the reality is there is no way to enforce a 3 second text to parent rule and so we as an intelligent adult support system have to listen to the teacher and the scientists who are telling us that kids access to phones during the school day is harming their educational experience. So lose the sad face about having to leave work early. I mean kids in years past figured it out, so will yours. It might even be good for them.

No, there is no great value in eliminating every single text/call.

I like that the kids are off their phones most of the day. But I also like that the teachers aren’t being totally rigid about it between classes. I trust their judgment.

It’s about balance. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

It isn’t always convenient to whip out a laptop.

Yes, obviously life can go on without cell phones. We all grew up without them.

There is no substantial difference between:
- between classes vs lunch
- laptop vs phone

You want to add hassle and inconvenience for no real value.

I’m glad my kid’s school doesn’t take this too seriously. It’s not worth the hassle.

The fact that you seriously content that there is no difference between laptop and a phone is suspect. Get real.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

Okay, I actually would be okay with kids having flip phones.

We can get Tello with 500 text a month for $5, a flip phone is like what $50? Maybe it would eh cheaper just to issue every student a school flip phone rather than pouch?

But that would probably be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

It isn’t always convenient to whip out a laptop.

Yes, obviously life can go on without cell phones. We all grew up without them.

There is no substantial difference between:
- between classes vs lunch
- laptop vs phone

You want to add hassle and inconvenience for no real value.

I’m glad my kid’s school doesn’t take this too seriously. It’s not worth the hassle.

My prediction given that cell phones are proven to be addictive: these “exceptions” will swallow the rule and the kids will all be worse off for it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

It isn’t always convenient to whip out a laptop.

Yes, obviously life can go on without cell phones. We all grew up without them.

There is no substantial difference between:
- between classes vs lunch
- laptop vs phone

You want to add hassle and inconvenience for no real value.

I’m glad my kid’s school doesn’t take this too seriously. It’s not worth the hassle.

The fact that you seriously content that there is no difference between laptop and a phone is suspect. Get real.

What’s the difference? 1 min on phone vs a few minutes whipping out laptop to send a quick message?

Laptops are probably more of a risk because kids have them out during class for longer periods of time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a real-life HS student (not a 3rd grader) at a school where phones are officially banned. Kids still use them sparingly and the teachers generally overlook it.

I got a quick text this morning (between classes) saying that an after-school activity is cancelled, which is helpful for me to receive now so I can rearrange my schedule to pick the kid up several hours earlier.

If kid told me this at 2:30 it'd be a huge PITA.

Are the nasty PPs really so unimaginative that they can't think of [i]any[/] scenarios when phones would be helpful? GMAFB.

1. child can still email you from their school issued laptop
2. child can text during lunch at the designated phone use location established at their school.
3. if #2 is not yet in place at your school, see #1

Yes, the quick immediate text between class is much easier, faster, more efficient. But is life non-functional without it? No.
And it is the "go find it yourself, I refuse to provide an answer" PPs that began the nastiness.

It isn’t always convenient to whip out a laptop.

Yes, obviously life can go on without cell phones. We all grew up without them.

There is no substantial difference between:
- between classes vs lunch
- laptop vs phone

You want to add hassle and inconvenience for no real value.

I’m glad my kid’s school doesn’t take this too seriously. It’s not worth the hassle.

My prediction given that cell phones are proven to be addictive: these “exceptions” will swallow the rule and the kids will all be worse off for it.

No kid is going to die because they could send a quick message between classes vs waiting until lunch.

They certainly are additive. It’s all about balance. I’m fine with a general ban during the day, with flexibility as needed.