Debate Moderator Fact Checks

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Trump was given the last word on multiple topics -- a chance to respond after Harris spoke. She was not accorded the same opportunity. He was given longer to speak than Harris (by about five minutes). Seems like these facts suggest the moderators were biased in favor of Trump, not Harris.


Trump was given the last word on EVERY topic.


DP. Partially because Harris lobbed some false accusations at him that he wound up defending. Had they ALSO fact-checked her, that would not have happened. And before you ask, her false were posted by another poster this afternoon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump was given the last word on multiple topics -- a chance to respond after Harris spoke. She was not accorded the same opportunity. He was given longer to speak than Harris (by about five minutes). Seems like these facts suggest the moderators were biased in favor of Trump, not Harris.


Trump was given the last word on EVERY topic.


DP. Partially because Harris lobbed some false accusations at him that he wound up defending. Had they ALSO fact-checked her, that would not have happened. And before you ask, her false were posted by another poster this afternoon.


Nah. She attacked him with his record. Sorry you don’t like hearing it.
She’s been fact checked by multiple reputable sources, and the verdict is: she told ( mostly) the truth.
Trump was gingerly corrected on 3 outrageous lies. Cry more.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


Trump is a serial liar and has been getting away with it for years because nobody's challenged him on it. He's fortunate he got off this lightly. He lost the debate because he doesn't know a single thing about policy. He lost the debate because he has a "concept of a plan" for health care that he started talking about in 2015 (i.e., he's got nothing). He lost because he couldn't control his emotions. He lost because he was talking about the imaginary eating of pets. But he's got MAGA to make excuses for his failure, of course...


You don’t have to be “MAGA” to understand that BOTH candidates - or neither - should have been fact-checked.

Honestly, the insistence of some of you in calling anyone who dares to disagree with you or puts out an opinion you don’t like, “MAGA,” is tiresome and telling. Some of you seem to have a very narrow vocabulary that relies on that term way more than it should.
DP


I mean if MAGA is going to continue to spin, spin, spin to make excuses for him, it is what it is. His lies are so egregious that he needed to be fact-checked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


One can ascribe any value to Trump since he has literally said everything from pro-choice to women should be punished criminally for having an abortion. The fact is, a GOP House and Senate will pass a national abortion ban. If Trump is in the white house, he will sign it.

If he favors IVF, then let's see him tell the GOP Senators to pass the IVF bill that is being deliberated right now. Crickets.

He literally said there were fine people on both sides. We all watched and knew exactly what he said.

ABC gave Trump many more minutes to speak, often times with Trump just butting in and the moderators let him. When Harris tried the same thing, they shut her down. Most people on the left were not happy with the moderators for not following their own rules where the Mic being on or off was concerned. The lies that the moderators called out were in fact appropriate, unless you are willing to show where they were wrong.


DP. The above lists instance in which Harris was lying, but not called out on it. I don’t object to the fact-checking of Trump - but Harris should have been as well. Perhaps then Trump wouldn’t have had to keep jumping in to defend himself against her false accusations.

And as for changing opinions and “values,” you have no problem giving Harris a pass on her changing views on various issues (notably - fracking, decriminalizing border crossings, and the EV mandate). You give her the benefit of the doubt that she has simply “evolved” in her thinking. I choose to do the same with Trump.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


Trump is a serial liar and has been getting away with it for years because nobody's challenged him on it. He's fortunate he got off this lightly. He lost the debate because he doesn't know a single thing about policy. He lost the debate because he has a "concept of a plan" for health care that he started talking about in 2015 (i.e., he's got nothing). He lost because he couldn't control his emotions. He lost because he was talking about the imaginary eating of pets. But he's got MAGA to make excuses for his failure, of course...


You don’t have to be “MAGA” to understand that BOTH candidates - or neither - should have been fact-checked.

Honestly, the insistence of some of you in calling anyone who dares to disagree with you or puts out an opinion you don’t like, “MAGA,” is tiresome and telling. Some of you seem to have a very narrow vocabulary that relies on that term way more than it should.
DP


I mean if MAGA is going to continue to spin, spin, spin to make excuses for him, it is what it is. His lies are so egregious that he needed to be fact-checked.


Sure. But fact-checking one candidate and not the other is the very definition of biased moderation.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump was given the last word on multiple topics -- a chance to respond after Harris spoke. She was not accorded the same opportunity. He was given longer to speak than Harris (by about five minutes). Seems like these facts suggest the moderators were biased in favor of Trump, not Harris.


Trump was given the last word on EVERY topic.


DP. Partially because Harris lobbed some false accusations at him that he wound up defending. Had they ALSO fact-checked her, that would not have happened. And before you ask, her false were posted by another poster this afternoon.


Nah. She attacked him with his record. Sorry you don’t like hearing it.
She’s been fact checked by multiple reputable sources, and the verdict is: she told ( mostly) the truth.
Trump was gingerly corrected on 3 outrageous lies. Cry more.


I’ve bolded the only pertinent word in your childish post. Do better.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


Trump is a serial liar and has been getting away with it for years because nobody's challenged him on it. He's fortunate he got off this lightly. He lost the debate because he doesn't know a single thing about policy. He lost the debate because he has a "concept of a plan" for health care that he started talking about in 2015 (i.e., he's got nothing). He lost because he couldn't control his emotions. He lost because he was talking about the imaginary eating of pets. But he's got MAGA to make excuses for his failure, of course...


You don’t have to be “MAGA” to understand that BOTH candidates - or neither - should have been fact-checked.

Honestly, the insistence of some of you in calling anyone who dares to disagree with you or puts out an opinion you don’t like, “MAGA,” is tiresome and telling. Some of you seem to have a very narrow vocabulary that relies on that term way more than it should.
DP


I mean if MAGA is going to continue to spin, spin, spin to make excuses for him, it is what it is. His lies are so egregious that he needed to be fact-checked.


Sure. But fact-checking one candidate and not the other is the very definition of biased moderation.


Only if their lies are equal in scale and kind
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:

The ultimate fact check.


What active combat war zone are they in?


Vice President Kamala Harris claimed in the debate Tuesday night that there are no U.S. troops in active war zones, a statement that obscures how thousands of American service members fight in conflicts around the world.
U.S. sailors and Marines have been defending ships and regional partners from constant attacks by Yemen’s Houthis since last fall. There are at least 3,400 U.S. troops tasked to assist and train local forces to defeat Islamic State in Iraq and Syria—where they have come under repeated attacks. The Biden administration also is quietly moving aircraft and commandos into Western Africa to combat terrorists.

And yet Harris boasted during the debate that “there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world, the first time this century.”

Congress is the only branch with the authority to declare war, a power it hasn’t exercised since 1942, which means the U.S. hasn’t officially been at war since the end of World War II. But the U.S. has been in combat plenty of times over the decades—from Korea to Vietnam and most recently Iraq and Afghanistan—and there is no question U.S. forces today are in harm’s way. Just last month, the U.S. and Iraq launched a joint raid against Islamic State that saw seven American troops get injured.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/u-s-troops-are-involved-in-combat-despite-harris-s-debate-claims-j5b3ST4WCoIish5ScTPg
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The “moderators” should have either fact-checked BOTH candidates or neither. Kamala Harris told some whoppers too:

- Trump *opposes* a national abortion ban.
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

- He favors IVF and has even said the government should pay for it, for crying out loud!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

- He *condemned* the Charlottesville neo-Nazis. Her claim that he called them “very fine people” has been debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Sure would be nice to watch a debate in which both candidates are treated equally. CNN did a good job in this regard.


Trump is a serial liar and has been getting away with it for years because nobody's challenged him on it. He's fortunate he got off this lightly. He lost the debate because he doesn't know a single thing about policy. He lost the debate because he has a "concept of a plan" for health care that he started talking about in 2015 (i.e., he's got nothing). He lost because he couldn't control his emotions. He lost because he was talking about the imaginary eating of pets. But he's got MAGA to make excuses for his failure, of course...


You don’t have to be “MAGA” to understand that BOTH candidates - or neither - should have been fact-checked.

Honestly, the insistence of some of you in calling anyone who dares to disagree with you or puts out an opinion you don’t like, “MAGA,” is tiresome and telling. Some of you seem to have a very narrow vocabulary that relies on that term way more than it should.
DP


I mean if MAGA is going to continue to spin, spin, spin to make excuses for him, it is what it is. His lies are so egregious that he needed to be fact-checked.


Sure. But fact-checking one candidate and not the other is the very definition of biased moderation.


Only if their lies are equal in scale and kind


Wrong. If you want to claim impartiality, then be impartial.
Anonymous
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Sigh. The Washington Post is not exactly known as an unbiased news source.

That said, Trump could have cited the moderator's bias when it came to fact checking, and how even with that bias, their facts were wrong. There are already a few well-known examples where the moderators so-called facts were incorrect (or half-true). It's almost as if ABC News knew the question, knew the answer that it thought was correct, and was prepared to fact check Trump if he gave anything but that allegedly correct answer. ABC News should apologize for getting its fact checks wrong, but it won't.


What facts did the moderators get wrong? These are definitely not well known.


The VP made several statements that were incorrect and should have been fact checked by the moderators. But the most negligent thing they did was not getting answers from the VP on her policy flips and the economy. This was the one and only time voters will see her questioned and they were unable to get answers from her on WHY the 180 degrees flip on the border wall, immigration, mandatory gun buybacks, fracking, and most importantly whether the American people are better off today than four years ago. Voters know Trump is scum. But they don’t know Kamala at all.

You didn’t answer the question. PP specifically the moderators gave incorrect facts when they were factchecking Trump. Please provide an example of an incorrect fact they provided when factchecking him.

Still waiting for someone to respond to this


It’s an uncomfortable subject to talk about. But from the Minnesota Department of Health indicates that eight babies were born alive following botched abortions during Walz’s time as governor, three in 2019 and five in 2021. Only three of the infants, one in 2019 and two in 2021, were reported to have received “comfort care measures.” None of the infants survived. That, plus comments from former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who said that he supported measures in which “the infant would be kept comfortable” after birth until the mother decided what to do. Also, the a state legislators across the country that have pushed legislation removing all limits on the procedure.

Trump made a mess of his answer, as usual. But this isn’t as cut and dry an issue that most people think. So for the ABC moderator to jump in with a voice of God answer (ironically) was incorrect and inappropriate.


Actually, most people don’t think this is anything other than difficult, painful, and complex decisions. That’s why they should be made by a woman and her doctor and anyone else that she would like to involve— not by politicians, and particularly not by politicians who are unlikely to get pregnant themselves but who are all too willing to legislate the behaviors of others within the confines of their own skewed beliefs.

I would address your comments more directly— but you left a lot out, perhaps deliberately. “Babies born alive following botched abortions “ sounds truly heartbreaking and horrific. What’s missing, when you lump them altogether is the details about each individual situation and experiences. Babies mature enough to be born alive suggests horrendous complications— along the lines of pregnant girls whose bodies would be irreparably damaged by the birth process, or babies whose conditions would result in torturous deaths shortly after birth. It would be informative if you could provide some links to the actual concerns behind the numbers.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The ultimate fact check.


What active combat war zone are they in?


Vice President Kamala Harris claimed in the debate Tuesday night that there are no U.S. troops in active war zones, a statement that obscures how thousands of American service members fight in conflicts around the world.
U.S. sailors and Marines have been defending ships and regional partners from constant attacks by Yemen’s Houthis since last fall. There are at least 3,400 U.S. troops tasked to assist and train local forces to defeat Islamic State in Iraq and Syria—where they have come under repeated attacks. The Biden administration also is quietly moving aircraft and commandos into Western Africa to combat terrorists.

And yet Harris boasted during the debate that “there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world, the first time this century.”

Congress is the only branch with the authority to declare war, a power it hasn’t exercised since 1942, which means the U.S. hasn’t officially been at war since the end of World War II. But the U.S. has been in combat plenty of times over the decades—from Korea to Vietnam and most recently Iraq and Afghanistan—and there is no question U.S. forces today are in harm’s way. Just last month, the U.S. and Iraq launched a joint raid against Islamic State that saw seven American troops get injured.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/u-s-troops-are-involved-in-combat-despite-harris-s-debate-claims-j5b3ST4WCoIish5ScTPg


Muir was too busy talking to small town city managers to get prepared for questions on US troops in combat. Only so many hours in a day, people.
Anonymous
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Sigh. The Washington Post is not exactly known as an unbiased news source.

That said, Trump could have cited the moderator's bias when it came to fact checking, and how even with that bias, their facts were wrong. There are already a few well-known examples where the moderators so-called facts were incorrect (or half-true). It's almost as if ABC News knew the question, knew the answer that it thought was correct, and was prepared to fact check Trump if he gave anything but that allegedly correct answer. ABC News should apologize for getting its fact checks wrong, but it won't.


What facts did the moderators get wrong? These are definitely not well known.


The VP made several statements that were incorrect and should have been fact checked by the moderators. But the most negligent thing they did was not getting answers from the VP on her policy flips and the economy. This was the one and only time voters will see her questioned and they were unable to get answers from her on WHY the 180 degrees flip on the border wall, immigration, mandatory gun buybacks, fracking, and most importantly whether the American people are better off today than four years ago. Voters know Trump is scum. But they don’t know Kamala at all.

You didn’t answer the question. PP specifically the moderators gave incorrect facts when they were factchecking Trump. Please provide an example of an incorrect fact they provided when factchecking him.

Still waiting for someone to respond to this


No one will, because it was yet another false assertion from a MAGA who heard it in the echo chamber, repeated it here and realized they cannot back it up.


I think they are still processing how thoroughly Harris demolished Trump on the debate stage. They expected their god emperor to trounce her with his typical bombast and vitriol. In the weeks leading up to the debate, they latched onto "she's stupid and incoherent" because she wouldn't do a press interview or speak without a teleprompter/notes or publish her policy positions (never once giving her leeway to vet/select a VP, put a campaign together and fundraise from a running start in late July). The fact that a career prosecutor who has also been an AG, Senator and VP wouldn't be prepared is laughable. But they drank the Koolaid anyways and are now struggling to cope. It can't be because she was prepared and talented. It has to be because she cheated or the moderators were unfair. After all, she's a POC woman and Donald Trump is a "man's man who always tells it like it is". To think otherwise, would violate their worldview. I relish watching them struggle to cope with a younger, more talented opponent who has all of the energy and momentum right now.


Demolishing Trump wasn’t victory though. No matter how good it felt. Victory was explaining to the undecided voters why she isn’t a continuation of the Biden policies. Which the vast majority of American hate. Which she completely failed to do.


Really? I’ll keep reading in case you’ve addressed this in a later post, but where are you getting the data to support your “vast majority of America hate(s)” Biden’s policies? Many Americans— including me — love most of Biden’s policies, but are rightly concerned about someone 4 years older than he is now in the President’s seat. If he were younger, we’d be all in. Part of the reason I’m excited about Harris is because I hope she’ll get 8 more years to put some of the priorities that she shares with Biden more firmly in place — while implementing her own priorities over time.

So, data? You jump from “undecided voters” who need to be convinced to “vast majority of Americans “ who you claim “hate” Biden’s policies, with absolutely nothing to support your assertions. Got anything? Anything at all?
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