Why do parents have such an issue with DEIB

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I love about intense DEI advocates -- Apparently only white people are influenced by biases and external expectations.

Black people, presumably, always think rationally and perfectly objectively.

No one has ever written this.

That's exactly what the person PP is responding to said. Only white people have biases and prejudices from family, culture etc. Everyone else grows up in some sort of vacuum? What else could this possibly mean?

+3. We can all see it

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Anonymous wrote:Bi-racial family here. I think the DEI movement has simply gone too far.

-There are some DEI initiatives in my child's school that are great such as commitment to read diverse authors and in school author readings from diverse authors.
-Other initiatives just do not seem age appropriate too me. Huge emphasis on pronouns in 5th grade and how everyone has to be aware of when a person changes their pronouns.
-A day of silence at school to show solidarity with LGBTQ students. I'm sorry I don't pay money for my children to go to school and be silent.
-Celebration of MLK day is great and I love the idea of honoring the day with guest speaker or lecture but this year almost the entire day was taken up with MLK activities and there was no time for real academics. There has to be a balance

I'm sure you're a white woman married to a black man.

What’s wrong with white women marrying black men?

It means that racism isn't completely absent. Instances of racism exist within interracial marriages, white people will always biases and prejudices that may affect their relationships and children, which stem from societal influences, family expectations, and personal experiences.

Now interracial marriage is racist?

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She's saying the white peoples' opinions on things like education are always invalid and unwelcome. Even in marriage, but also on DCUM where pp regrettably tried to post her opinion on education.

Then pp came on to say she's not white.

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convinced that all the people on here saying DEI is not needed and saying their a POC aren't real. Asking for improvements is one thing but saying its all junk is not; saying you have friends who have done this work for 20 years and now want a new career is also bunk.

I'm a POC and while I have critiques about some of the fake optics of DEI, I'm fine that there is less tolerance for BS in the workplace.

I have been given appologies for thing that 20 years ago were hurtful but now are finally seen for being toxic. I work with young women who don't tolerate BS from anyone, this is the direction I want. They don't tolerate the sexism of my youth (which was so much better than the 50s) and they dont' perpetuate the racism of the 50s or 90s or that I see here.

DEI is a big step; proper DEI is not celebrating black history month once not doing nothing else (a lot of DEI folks do this but its better than nothing, I said proper not bare bones).

But there are people out there whose sole job is to sew disharmony. Think of all the non-Loudon county residence who show up to school board meetings to scream at elected officials.

People want to pay $60K for their kid to go to school they know what they are getting into.

There are a ton of born again schools where they can pay less and not have heathens and gays and women not in skirts teaching their kids.

I know a TON of Republicans who send their kids to DC area schools costing $60k- they left the Hill and are now making bank on K street. They are still sending their kids to the DEI schools; they have zero problem with it. They find people who protest and get uppity about it in polite society weird and unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is really things like affinity groups, race essentialism, the white guilt complex and a skewed approach to history/social studies that make parents unhappy.

You need to take into account that many of us have now had a lot of experience with DEI programs at work, and that, as residents of DC, we have seen what some of the policy ideas mean for day-to-day life. I know a lot of workplaces all but required people to read books like White Fragility or Kendi books at some point. Those things haven’t left a positive impression, in many cases.

That's probably not true. I am familiar with a lot of places in this city and I haven't heard off anything like that. I know that there are parents here that would believe that. I have no idea why that is.

Not sure where you work, but if you were anywhere near a large law firm in a couple of years ago, you were heavily pressured to read these books in the most uncritical possible way. Speaking from experience, some of them even sent copies of the books to employees to read at home.

So let's say the law firm gave you an anti-racist book to read. I promise you, nobody is sending out quizzes or even thinking about you.

Oh!!! Lolol thanks for reminding me I actually literally have a training I need to complete on this topic! There’s a quiz at the end. This’ll be maybe the third one. I work in DC.

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^*at a non-profit, not a law firm.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't really agree with being told at my last workplace DEI training - in a school- that it's "not enough" to not be racist, one MUST be anti racist for approval from the DEI crowd. Where does this end? Probably not well in some way or other. Right now, it seems a lot of people are simply losing interest?

You should be anti-racist. Like why is this so bothersome to you?

Because the goal post keeps moving. And I disagree that I should devote all my time thought and action to being anti racist, which is what it actually means, along with constant examination and active intervention of self and others on race. There are a lot of issues I can take an active stance on, like anti poverty, or anti elder abuse. I would like to choose when and where to devote my efforts without recrimination. I am not Mother Theresa and also have a life to live. So I don't agree that I should be anti racist or am somehow failing in the full meaning of that word. Not being racist suffices for most people most of the time.

Nobody is asking you to devote all your time. Stop being so dramatical.

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When you go to a DEI training they do ask you to devote all your time. You do not know what anti racist as contrasted with not racist means. Look it up. You are clearly not anti racist.

They ask you to do better. If you can’t find a way to ever examine your thoughts and actions then that’s a you problem.

I’m doing just fine, thank you I don’t need a 25 year old women’s gendered studies major who couldn’t hold a job in the real world to describe to me what she thinks “doing better” means.

Just the elitist attitude that needs to change. You can learn a lot from people with different viewpoints.

-old STEM major who is doing quite well, thanks

The elitist attitude comes from your demographic. You're completely out of step with what is going on today. Do you even have children in school? Or do you think reading posts here keeps you current and up to date?

I have kids in private MS & HS in the DC area. And many friends with kids in private schools. The vast majority of private school families are incredibly privileged.

It’s elitist to put down people just based on their age and major. There is no harm listening to other people’s perspectives. In fact, you may learn something.

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Anonymous wrote:convinced that all the people on here saying DEI is not needed and saying their a POC aren't real. Asking for improvements is one thing but saying its all junk is not; saying you have friends who have done this work for 20 years and now want a new career is also bunk.

I'm a POC and while I have critiques about some of the fake optics of DEI, I'm fine that there is less tolerance for BS in the workplace.

I have been given appologies for thing that 20 years ago were hurtful but now are finally seen for being toxic. I work with young women who don't tolerate BS from anyone, this is the direction I want. They don't tolerate the sexism of my youth (which was so much better than the 50s) and they dont' perpetuate the racism of the 50s or 90s or that I see here.

DEI is a big step; proper DEI is not celebrating black history month once not doing nothing else (a lot of DEI folks do this but its better than nothing, I said proper not bare bones).

But there are people out there whose sole job is to sew disharmony. Think of all the non-Loudon county residence who show up to school board meetings to scream at elected officials.

People want to pay $60K for their kid to go to school they know what they are getting into.

There are a ton of born again schools where they can pay less and not have heathens and gays and women not in skirts teaching their kids.

I know a TON of Republicans who send their kids to DC area schools costing $60k- they left the Hill and are now making bank on K street. They are still sending their kids to the DEI schools; they have zero problem with it. They find people who protest and get uppity about it in polite society weird and unhinged.

Agree that many of the anti-DEI posts sound like outside agitators.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't really agree with being told at my last workplace DEI training - in a school- that it's "not enough" to not be racist, one MUST be anti racist for approval from the DEI crowd. Where does this end? Probably not well in some way or other. Right now, it seems a lot of people are simply losing interest?

You should be anti-racist. Like why is this so bothersome to you?

Because the goal post keeps moving. And I disagree that I should devote all my time thought and action to being anti racist, which is what it actually means, along with constant examination and active intervention of self and others on race. There are a lot of issues I can take an active stance on, like anti poverty, or anti elder abuse. I would like to choose when and where to devote my efforts without recrimination. I am not Mother Theresa and also have a life to live. So I don't agree that I should be anti racist or am somehow failing in the full meaning of that word. Not being racist suffices for most people most of the time.

Nobody is asking you to devote all your time. Stop being so dramatical.

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When you go to a DEI training they do ask you to devote all your time. You do not know what anti racist as contrasted with not racist means. Look it up. You are clearly not anti racist.

They ask you to do better. If you can’t find a way to ever examine your thoughts and actions then that’s a you problem.

I’m doing just fine, thank you I don’t need a 25 year old women’s gendered studies major who couldn’t hold a job in the real world to describe to me what she thinks “doing better” means.

Just the elitist attitude that needs to change. You can learn a lot from people with different viewpoints.

-old STEM major who is doing quite well, thanks

The elitist attitude comes from your demographic. You're completely out of step with what is going on today. Do you even have children in school? Or do you think reading posts here keeps you current and up to date?

I have kids in private MS & HS in the DC area. And many friends with kids in private schools. The vast majority of private school families are incredibly privileged.

It’s elitist to put down people just based on their age and major. There is no harm listening to other people’s perspectives. In fact, you may learn something.

Ditto, my friend. People are sharing experiences here and being told "that didn't happen" and they are also allowed to consider and reject other viewpoints.

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Anonymous wrote:Bi-racial family here. I think the DEI movement has simply gone too far.

-There are some DEI initiatives in my child's school that are great such as commitment to read diverse authors and in school author readings from diverse authors.
-Other initiatives just do not seem age appropriate too me. Huge emphasis on pronouns in 5th grade and how everyone has to be aware of when a person changes their pronouns.
-A day of silence at school to show solidarity with LGBTQ students. I'm sorry I don't pay money for my children to go to school and be silent.
-Celebration of MLK day is great and I love the idea of honoring the day with guest speaker or lecture but this year almost the entire day was taken up with MLK activities and there was no time for real academics. There has to be a balance

I'm sure you're a white woman married to a black man.

What’s wrong with white women marrying black men?

It means that racism isn't completely absent. Instances of racism exist within interracial marriages, white people will always biases and prejudices that may affect their relationships and children, which stem from societal influences, family expectations, and personal experiences.

Now interracial marriage is racist?

Everything old is new again!

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't really agree with being told at my last workplace DEI training - in a school- that it's "not enough" to not be racist, one MUST be anti racist for approval from the DEI crowd. Where does this end? Probably not well in some way or other. Right now, it seems a lot of people are simply losing interest?

You should be anti-racist. Like why is this so bothersome to you?

Because the goal post keeps moving. And I disagree that I should devote all my time thought and action to being anti racist, which is what it actually means, along with constant examination and active intervention of self and others on race. There are a lot of issues I can take an active stance on, like anti poverty, or anti elder abuse. I would like to choose when and where to devote my efforts without recrimination. I am not Mother Theresa and also have a life to live. So I don't agree that I should be anti racist or am somehow failing in the full meaning of that word. Not being racist suffices for most people most of the time.

Nobody is asking you to devote all your time. Stop being so dramatical.

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When you go to a DEI training they do ask you to devote all your time. You do not know what anti racist as contrasted with not racist means. Look it up. You are clearly not anti racist.

They ask you to do better. If you can’t find a way to ever examine your thoughts and actions then that’s a you problem.

I’m doing just fine, thank you I don’t need a 25 year old women’s gendered studies major who couldn’t hold a job in the real world to describe to me what she thinks “doing better” means.

Just the elitist attitude that needs to change. You can learn a lot from people with different viewpoints.

-old STEM major who is doing quite well, thanks

The elitist attitude comes from your demographic. You're completely out of step with what is going on today. Do you even have children in school? Or do you think reading posts here keeps you current and up to date?

I have kids in private MS & HS in the DC area. And many friends with kids in private schools. The vast majority of private school families are incredibly privileged.

It’s elitist to put down people just based on their age and major. There is no harm listening to other people’s perspectives. In fact, you may learn something.

Ditto, my friend. People are sharing experiences here and being told "that didn't happen" and they are also allowed to consider and reject other viewpoints.

Minus the fictional stories.

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Anonymous wrote:^*at a non-profit, not a law firm.

Huge difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Latinx or Latine was the preferred DEIB nomenclature.

NP. I think Latinx is on the way out because academics are finally realizing they're the only ones to use it. Most Latinos/Latinas have never heard the term or don't care.

Surveys show that most in the Latin American community oppose "Latinx." DEI coordinators are trying to impose language on the rest of us. Who elected them to make those decisions?
Language shifts that stick are the ones that occur over time and in a pretty democratic way.

PP here. Pretty sure "Latinx" started in academia, not with DEIB coordinators. Still, it was a top-down change that never resonated with the larger community.

There was a bit more too it than that. Like attempting to change the language rules of a foreign language even though not a single person asked for that change. It was performative, condescending and deeply ironic.

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Are you saying that white people coined the term latinx? because that is deeply wrong and misinformed.

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Anonymous wrote:Read "The End of Race Politics" by Coleman Hughes. It's hard to support the continuation of DEI bureaucracy when grappling honestly with his arguments.

Thanks for the recommendation! I read a sample of the book online, and it looks very interesting. I'm #51 on the waitlist for 8 copies at the library.

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A day of silence at school to show solidarity with LGBTQ students. I'm sorry I don't pay money for my children to go to school and be silent.
-Celebration of MLK day is great and I love the idea of honoring the day with guest speaker or lecture but this year almost the entire day was taken up with MLK activities and there was no time for real academics. There has to be a balance

It's just two days and I'm fairly certain they learned something.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I love about intense DEI advocates -- Apparently only white people are influenced by biases and external expectations.

Black people, presumably, always think rationally and perfectly objectively.

No one has ever written this.

LOL. It's right there in the post I replied to.

Read more carefully. Nowhere did it say that "only" white people have biases.